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Yellow Fury vs NQ Fury (Match Fred)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
clark007e wrote:
Most of us on here are phoenix till we die but after today a lot of the part time fans won't turn up next week after that even though we played great in the first half, the last 20 seconds could lose 3 or so thousand fans.
i'll be back
but you're dead right. That kinda sh*t is really frustrating and the fairweather fans won't like it one bit
 
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irnbru14 wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
has anyone mentioned Daniel's chance that he f**kED UP ??????

he did an Aloisi (john)
 
No, in case I get accused of me "tagetting him" (even though it's Paston I have the real problem with!) or being a racist
 
But god, how did he miss it, he only needed to stand still and let it bounce off him!!


agree. Paston sucks - he's too flat footed. Not agile at all.
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Hard News wrote:
Some people need to and watch the TV replay because it strikes me that the 94th minute is clouding memories.


Actually nothing wrong with the memories.  The results are the cloud. What we are remembering are three dominating performances in the first half for three games; then they've played three ordinary second halves to give up three likely wins.

Looking real pretty for 45 minutes means didly squat without the result.  As Durante said.

Leo's looking a bit tired and marked to hell.  Grenacre works hard without either height or pace.  Daniel has some skills but again lacks pace and physical presence.  We need something more up front and thru midfiled to put these games away.

A real frustration, cause apart from these soft second halves and not being able to nail sides they are playing well.

27 games in a season tho', so hopefully it'll turn for the guys.  please no significant injury for Ifill, he's carrying the attack and no plan B.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
well that was so crap i had to join this forum finally to release my angst. great goal in the 7th minute, for the other 87minutes a painful lack of finishing. why is it always ferrante,brown or daniel on the end of our chances. 3 draws=1 .winfrom the moment ifill left it was all downhill.


agreed greenacre is due, but maybe needs a strike partner to give him some space.


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clark007e wrote:
Most of us on here are phoenix till we die but after today a lot of the part time fans won't turn up next week after that even though we played great in the first half, the last 20 seconds could lose 3 or so thousand fans.
 
Which adds to the frustration, a lot of walk up fans queueing for tickets for the game, a lovely sunny Welly day and a prime chance for the Nix to get them hooked, and it didn't happen after a promising first half...
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
paulm wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
 
Am I expected to be happy?
no, never.
 
Well done on avoiding the question.
 
Funnily enough I am happy when we WIN games, but since that was 5 games ago you probably don't remember.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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scoop wrote:
Absolutely Gut. Most probably one of the best time i had had in the FeverZone in all 3 seasons. Sun beating down, good football. And then that Goal. Was a long injury time. but thought the ref had an ok game. the Caceras Free kick was rubbish to.

Next week. 4 points out of two games at home. I can live with that


you must bee mentally f**ked up if you thought that was a good game. That's all i have to say.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
 
Funnily enough I am happy
no, never paulm2009-09-20 18:17:42
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I still love the Phoenix.
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Steve-O wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Well quit supporting them then.Seriously, we created a million chances today based on formation and tactics we played (in both halves) were the dominant side, apart from going out on the pitch I struggle to see how on earth RH can do more than that.� At some stage the people paid the money to score the goals may just actually have to do it.Sure, if playing 1 up front meant we struggled to create chances then I could understand the angst but quite clearly that isn't the case.� We create plenty of chances, we control possession and we play more balls in to the area than our opposition, at that point it stops being the managers job and it needs the players to finish those chances.


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Second half we had how many chances? 2 or 3 that I remember?

�

Chris Greenacre would be as well not even playing for all the chances that he gets created for him.
You are right in the fact that we never give Greenacre any chances. We seem to give everyone else a chance except him.
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Notwithstanding I would have liked a win, can't say we deserved it with that performance. First fifteen was encouraging but by half time the stats read 50/50 possession and 50/50 territory, and we're the home team. In the second half they edged ahead in possession (I think I heard it was 55 - 45 to them after 30 minutes) and once Ifil went off we pretty much ran out of ideas. They were always going to throw the long ball at us if we didn't put another one away, and thought we pretty much invited them to have a go at us. We  almost survived, we were past the allowed overtime whne they got the free kick, but they only needed one bit of luck with that tactic and they finally got it.

If we had held on I think I'd still be disappointed with the game plan, but at least the win would have helped forget.

And now we have the in form Central Coast, hopefully we'll spank them 5 - 0 against all the odds.

The most frustrating thing is we seem to have the personnel to do better, we just don't seem to have the plan to take advantage of it.

Best part was the sunshine, you can't beat Wellington on a good day.
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Steve-O wrote:
 
I'm really happy for you if you're happy with 1 win in 7 games.
 
You're the one that talks continual drivel if you think this string of piss results is any good and the manager is blameless.
 
Wake the f**k up.


Are you seriously blaming the manager?

Adelaide was a touchies fault
Roar we never finished
Melborne we never finished
Fury we never finished and concede a freekick in a dumb place late in the game.

If we were getting played off the park, I'd agree with you, but Ricki did say it would take 5 weeks to click and other than the 2 losses, in the 7 games so far we have been the better/more dominate footballing side in 5 of them (1 win and 4 draws)

Changing the manager wont mean that strikers start scoring and I fail to see how you relate the two. Thats like saying Ronaldo and Rooney wouldn't have scored if Ferguson wasn't in charge

If you want to point the finger at someone, point it at the players. The Phoenix as a whole are playing much better football than the last two years, just can't finish.
Jeff Vader2009-09-20 18:23:39

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't think I am mentally f**ked up? 

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i just hope ifill isnt out for a while - if we wanna get anywhere this year he is absolutely key
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hey - here's an idea :

SIGN SOMEONE WHO CAN f**kING FINISH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Zephyr wrote:
Notwithstanding I would have liked a win, can't say we deserved it with that performance. First fifteen was encouraging but by half time the stats read 50/50 possession and 50/50 territory, and we're the home team. In the second half they edged ahead in possession (I think I heard it was 55 - 45 to them after 30 minutes) and once Ifil went off we pretty much ran out of ideas. They were always going to throw the long ball at us if we didn't put another one away, and thought we pretty much invited them to have a go at us. We  almost survived, we were past the allowed overtime whne they got the free kick, but they only needed one bit of luck with that tactic and they finally got it.

If we had held on I think I'd still be disappointed with the game plan, but at least the win would have helped forget.

And now we have the in form Central Coast, hopefully we'll spank them 5 - 0 against all the odds.

The most frustrating thing is we seem to have the personnel to do better, we just don't seem to have the plan to take advantage of it.

Best part was the sunshine, you can't beat Wellington on a good day.
 
Potentially without three of our best personnel next week due to injury. Oh sh*t, another severe jolt of angst....
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
whooooooo wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
has anyone mentioned Daniel's chance that he f**kED UP ??????

he did an Aloisi (john)
 
No, in case I get accused of me "tagetting him" (even though it's Paston I have the real problem with!) or being a racist
 
But god, how did he miss it, he only needed to stand still and let it bounce off him!!


agree. Paston sucks - he's too flat footed. Not agile at all.

hopin this was written by ray charles...


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
 
I'm really happy for you if you're happy with 1 win in 7 games.
 
You're the one that talks continual drivel if you think this string of piss results is any good and the manager is blameless.
 
Wake the f**k up.


Are you seriously blaming the manager?

Adelaide was a touchies fault
Roar we never finished
Melborne we never finished
Fury we never finished and concede a freekick in a dumb place late in the game.

If we were getting played off the park, I'd agree with you, but Ricki did say it would take 5 weeks to click and other than the 2 losses, in the 7 games so far (1 win and 4 draws) we have been the better/more dominate footballing side.

Changing the manager wont mean that strikers start scoring and I fail to see how you relate the two. Thats like saying Ronaldo and Rooney wouldn't have scored if Ferguson wasn't in charge

If you want to point the finger at someone, point it at the players. The Phoenix as a whole are playing much better football than the last two years, just can't finish.
 
 
He is playing 1 up front and persisting with it, week after week.
 
Almost every week now we play well first half and take the foot off the gas in the 2nd half - what does he say to them at half time? Whatever it is, it's not having the desired effect unless it's "sit back and hope you don't concede, don't worry too much about scoring again".
 
He's certainly not blamelss. Far too cautious in his set up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
 
I'm really happy for you if you're happy with 1 win in 7 games.
 
You're the one that talks continual drivel if you think this string of piss results is any good and the manager is blameless.
 
Wake the f**k up.


Are you seriously blaming the manager?

Adelaide was a touchies fault
Roar we never finished
Melborne we never finished
Fury we never finished and concede a freekick in a dumb place late in the game.

 
Perhaps time for him to change or augment our lone striker then if finishing is the consistant problem?  Still want another striker on the bench to give us that option.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
martinb wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
has anyone mentioned Daniel's chance that he f**kED UP ??????

he did an Aloisi (john)
 
No, in case I get accused of me "tagetting him" (even though it's Paston I have the real problem with!) or being a racist
 
But god, how did he miss it, he only needed to stand still and let it bounce off him!!


agree. Paston sucks - he's too flat footed. Not agile at all.

hopin this was written by ray charles...


you have to agree - Paston isn't the best between the sticks.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This has been discussed with no obvious answer every week this season.  Let's not re-litigate it.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
Well quit supporting them then.

Seriously, we created a million chances today based on formation and tactics we played (in both halves) were the dominant side, apart from going out on the pitch I struggle to see how on earth RH can do more than that.  At some stage the people paid the money to score the goals may just actually have to do it.

Sure, if playing 1 up front meant we struggled to create chances then I could understand the angst but quite clearly that isn't the case.  We create plenty of chances, we control possession and we play more balls in to the area than our opposition, at that point it stops being the managers job and it needs the players to finish those chances.
 
+1
 
I don't think the formation is the problem. Last season crosses were  going into a lone striker in the box. This season the attitude is more positive, there are bodies in the box, chances are being created, but the goals are not coming.
 
Remember, one of the best stats about Smeltz was that he scored his goals from very few opportunities. We are creating a lot more chances, just no-one has the Smeltz Midas touch at present.


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
On the plus side, I thought Caeceres looked very promising.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bugger off to your specially created kindergarten thread. he kept us in that game for a long time...

edit:quoting WHOOOOO about Paston....
martinb2009-09-20 18:28:30


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martinb wrote:
bugger off to your specially created kindergarten thread. he kept us in that game for a long time...
 
 
I miss Glen Moss...
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
chocnut wrote:
On the plus side, I thought Caeceres looked very promising.
agreed
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martinb wrote:
bugger off to your specially created kindergarten thread. he kept us in that game for a long time...


even tho he swats flys, and can't kick to save himself ?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
worst i've felt about a point (since pehaps one we tossed away at home in 1st season - adelaide - i think)
 
not sure what to say, so might try later
 
 
 
 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
no keeper sh** please.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Crowther >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paston
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irnbru14 wrote:
martinb wrote:
bugger off to your specially created kindergarten thread. he kept us in that game for a long time...
 
 
I miss Glen Moss...


playin great for Melbourne eh...




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martinb wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
martinb wrote:
bugger off to your specially created kindergarten thread. he kept us in that game for a long time...
 
 
I miss Glen Moss...


playin great for Melbourne eh...


 
No idea, not paying any attention to what they are up to really...but he was a bloody good keeper for us.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
He is playing 1 up front and persisting with it, week after week.
 
Almost every week now we play well first half and take the foot off the gas in the 2nd half - what does he say to them at half time? Whatever it is, it's not having the desired effect unless it's "sit back and hope you don't concede, don't worry too much about scoring again".
 
He's certainly not blamelss. Far too cautious in his set up.


So we take a creative player off and put another striker on (or push Ifill fully forward and lose his work rate in the middle of the pitch) and we should start scoring in droves??? You are looking at the same group of players who can't put away the bucket load of chances they are getting now... Start Chen, who do you drop? Bar McKain, that team is the strongest Phoenix team we have.

Until its tried its hard to speculate on how it would go but my gut feeling is that you could play 4-4-2 and get more of the same.

Its the players, not the coaches
Jeff Vader2009-09-20 18:32:43

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ok

Lochy was gd,
Greenacre was gd...Caceres also good.
Hearfield rusty...Costa who dat?


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HERBERT. IF YOU ARE GOING TO DISH UP  DEFENSIVE CR*P IN FRONT OF YOUR HOME CROWD, HAVE THE GUTS TO LEAD YOUR TEAM FROM THE FIELD AND ACCEPT YOUR MEDICINE FROM THE PEOPLE WHO PAY TO SEE US TRY AND WIN. DON'T STAND IN THE CENTRE CIRCLE UNTIL EVERYONE HAS GONE!!

SHOW US WHAT YOU ARE MADE OF NEXT WEEK. WIN OR LOOSE
If I may be so bold!!

We're Forever Causing Trouble

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
He is playing 1 up front and persisting with it, week after week.
 
Almost every week now we play well first half and take the foot off the gas in the 2nd half - what does he say to them at half time? Whatever it is, it's not having the desired effect unless it's "sit back and hope you don't concede, don't worry too much about scoring again".
 
He's certainly not blamelss. Far too cautious in his set up.


So we take a creative player off and put another striker on (or push Ifill fully forward and lose his work rate in the middle of the pitch) and we should start scoring in droves??? You are looking at the same group of players who can't put away the bucket load of chances they are getting now... Start Chen, who do you drop? Bar McKain, that team is the strongest Phoenix team we have.

Until its tried its hard to speculate on how it would go but my gut feeling is that you could play 4-4-2 and get more of the same.
 
You may be right, but at least having 2 strikers in the box would make it less predicatble for the opposition defence as to where the ball is going and may give us a better chance of converting the opportunities we are creating.  We could have put another forward on today and tried to kill of the Fury in that second half, but we didn't have that option.. There were periods in teh first half Ifill was pushing right up with Greenacre when we looked our most dangerous.
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I could park my Zimmer frame on the back post and I'd be top scorer already.  Zephyr2009-09-20 18:34:34
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Jeff Vader wrote:


Steve-O wrote:
He is playing 1 up front and persisting with it, week after week.

�

Almost every week now we play well first half and take the foot off the gas in the 2nd half - what does he say to them at half time? Whatever it is, it's not having the desired effect unless it's "sit back and hope you don't concede, don't worry too much about scoring again".

�

He's certainly not blamelss. Far too cautious in his set up.
So we take a creative player off and put another striker on (or push Ifill fully forward and lose his work rate in the middle of the pitch) and we should start scoring in droves??? You are looking at the same group of players who can't put away the bucket load of chances they are getting now... Start Chen, who do you drop? Bar McKain, that team is the strongest Phoenix team we have.Until its tried its hard to speculate on how it would go but my gut feeling is that you could play 4-4-2 and get more of the same.Its the players, not the coaches
He is right. Our best finisher is not getting a chance to finish, put another striker on and Greenacre will get more ball and more chance to finish chances which he has been getting none of. When was the last time Greenacre had a solid chance to score? Probably his last goal.
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There seems to be a fixation that we're playing one up front but the reality is that Ifill and Bertos flow in and out of the attack so we're effectively playing 4-3-3 and three up front.

Also, keeper stuff.  I'm just looking to get banny after being stuck in bed for three days and missing todays game so don't give me an excuse.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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martinb wrote:
ok

Lochy was gd,
 
Good to see him get forward more and get balls into the box
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