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David Mulligan - Contrasting Views
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We might see him at the Fury next season?.
Mr Positive
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For his and our sakes I hope he picks a contract either at another A-League side or MLS or back in Europe.
I can't help but think that he must have fallen off Ricki's radar last season after those 3 games early on and that those games shaded Ricki's selection policy for him. Still begs the question though of why he was picked and played for the AWs during this time.
I just hope all this time rotting at the Nix hasn't hurt him too much psychologically and that he bounces back mentally stronger and a better player for it.
I can't help but think that he must have fallen off Ricki's radar last season after those 3 games early on and that those games shaded Ricki's selection policy for him. Still begs the question though of why he was picked and played for the AWs during this time.
I just hope all this time rotting at the Nix hasn't hurt him too much psychologically and that he bounces back mentally stronger and a better player for it.
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Whilst I have always thought m,ulligan wasn't good enough to play for us, I do feel a nlittle sorry for him now that he's finally going......I mean waiting until the ned of his contract to let him go when he clearly wasn't going to be playing any footy this year....surely we could have mutually agreed to release him at minimal cost to the club. Oh well at least he and Ferrante can keep each other company.
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Whilst I have always thought m,ulligan wasn't good enough to play for us, I do feel a nlittle sorry for him now that he's finally going......I mean waiting until the ned of his contract to let him go when he clearly wasn't going to be playing any footy this year....surely we could have mutually agreed to release him at minimal cost to the club. Oh well at least he and Ferrante can keep each other company.
I think Mutual agreement is the key phrase here, if mully had no other options why would he go, as long as he kept training he had to still be paid.
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I don't care how much you're making - if you're a professional footballer training week in, week out and never getting close to getting picked in the matchday 15, let alone the starting 11, that's gotta start playing with your head. Surely every footballer wants to play.
Wasn't a problem for Winston Bogard at Chelsea.....
....and Thomas Gravesen was more than happy to stay in Celtic's reserve team and pick up the cheque rather than move on elsewhere.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
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I don't care how much you're making - if you're a professional footballer training week in, week out and never getting close to getting picked in the matchday 15, let alone the starting 11, that's gotta start playing with your head. Surely every footballer wants to play.
Wasn't a problem for Winston Bogard at Chelsea.....
....and Thomas Gravesen was more than happy to stay in Celtic's reserve team and pick up the cheque rather than move on elsewhere.
So they were playing...Mulligan hasn't got a reserve team to play for
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Whilst I have always thought m,ulligan wasn't good enough to play for us, I do feel a nlittle sorry for him now that he's finally going......I mean waiting until the ned of his contract to let him go when he clearly wasn't going to be playing any footy this year....surely we could have mutually agreed to release him at minimal cost to the club. Oh well at least he and Ferrante can keep each other company.
Lets say he's on 75k, and the best he can get playing state league is 20k (no idea on state league pay), why would he agree to leave. I know that he would get to play football, but when it is your livelihood it is a big difference!
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Whilst I have always thought m,ulligan wasn't good enough to play for us, I do feel a nlittle sorry for him now that he's finally going......I mean waiting until the ned of his contract to let him go when he clearly wasn't going to be playing any footy this year....surely we could have mutually agreed to release him at minimal cost to the club. Oh well at least he and Ferrante can keep each other company.
Lets say he's on 75k, and the best he can get playing state league is 20k (no idea on state league pay), why would he agree to leave. I know that he would get to play football, but when it is your livelihood it is a big difference!
Because if you believe in your ability, you would want to go somewhere else, take a pay cut, play well, get picked up by a better team and get back to your $75 k with a chance to get that contract expanded further, get paid more, and actually play some football.
(Yes. I do realise what the Mulligan detractors will point out as the flaw in that plan WRT Mulli.)
If you lack confidence in your abilities, or think you're getting something out of training where you are, you stay put.
Addicks2010-03-19 13:04:1914/11/09
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Well good luck to him, shame he didn't get a chance in the midfield where his versatility trait would have serve him better at this standard. Some of the speedsters on the wings in A-league are faster than some in the English championship so being a defender in A-league against more speed is tough. He could have been a midfielder like Brown, except Brown had a great season with the goal scoring.
He may enjoy NZFC but he is better than that. Like someone said, he should look and to go the US system.
Any suggestion as to where he should look??? Lets suggest and help Mully find something, it's the least the fans could do for him.
He may enjoy NZFC but he is better than that. Like someone said, he should look and to go the US system.
Any suggestion as to where he should look??? Lets suggest and help Mully find something, it's the least the fans could do for him.
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Japan League Division 2, MSL 2 tier.. Chinese super league? Singapore, I-League (india) lots of places i guess..
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there is a possible vacancy at RB for the Vic Uni 1st team. I'd be stoked if he wanted to get a run for us. We, unlike most other teams, cannot afford to give away free boots or brown envelopes. but the atmosphere is great, and we're a great bunch.
you keen mully?
you keen mully?
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Ricki Herbert on Mulligan in his book, A New Fire:
"I also think he was a bit surprised by the standard of the A-League, even though he had been playing in the lower divisions in England. He will start off next season on level terms with the rest of the squad, and then we should see the best of David."
But there wasn't going to be a next season...
"I also think he was a bit surprised by the standard of the A-League, even though he had been playing in the lower divisions in England. He will start off next season on level terms with the rest of the squad, and then we should see the best of David."
But there wasn't going to be a next season...
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Mulligan didn't play over 100 games in the Championship because he was crap.
100 games over 8 years isn't really that much.
heres a reminder of what he can do
Respect
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BBS,he was given chances against TW and in training etc etc. He was generally terrible in these also.
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Ricki Herbert on Mulligan in his book, A New Fire:
"I also think he was a bit surprised by the standard of the A-League, even though he had been playing in the lower divisions in England. He will start off next season on level terms with the rest of the squad, and then we should see the best of David."
But there wasn't going to be a next season...
"I also think he was a bit surprised by the standard of the A-League, even though he had been playing in the lower divisions in England. He will start off next season on level terms with the rest of the squad, and then we should see the best of David."
But there wasn't going to be a next season...
Looooooool. Poor old Mully.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Will be interesting to see if Ricki stands by his word that all the players in the squad for the Bahrain games were assured a place in the final World Cup squad.
Surely he can't pick Mulligan after basically saying he isn't good enough for a club side.
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Maybe he should do a Karl Dodd and see if he can get a trial at another A leauge club. Might get a better chance.
I think it would be better than a rubbish asian leauge or the second teir in the US?
I think it would be better than a rubbish asian leauge or the second teir in the US?
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It would be funny to see him go to another club (Hearts?) and be totally awesome. He could prove Herbert right - by being at his best next season. Come on Mully, show us what you've got!
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Trouble is he's an import for all the Aussie clubs, Karl Dodd wasn't. Though I'd love for him to stay in the A-League, but I can't see it.
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Fury may look at him - he'd be cheap!
Peoples Republik of Aucklandia
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I don't care how much you're making - if you're a professional footballer training week in, week out and never getting close to getting picked in the matchday 15, let alone the starting 11, that's gotta start playing with your head. Surely every footballer wants to play.
Wasn't a problem for Winston Bogard at Chelsea.
As for Mulligan himself, he has shown very little of any value in every game I've seen him play since the U17 World Cup in 1999, so I'm not really surprised he was marginalised so completely this season.
Peoples Republik of Aucklandia
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Here's the story from the English FA website - 2005 it was.
Mulligan magic
By FA Editorial - Monday, 12 December, 2005
Doncaster Rovers� Dave Mulligan has booked his place at The FA Cup final after winning the �Player of the Round� award for the Second Round of the competition.
After a week of voting Dave scooped the award, receiving 33 per cent of the 53,000 votes cast on The FA.com. Closely chasing Mulligan for most of the week was Chester�s Ryan Lowe who ended with 22 per cent of the vote.
Mansfield Town�s Richie Barker with 21 per cent, Tamworth�s Matt Redmile with 15 per cent and Stevenage Borough�s Alan Julian with 9 per cent were also in the running for the award.
Some fans did get caught up in the magic of The FA Cup competition and became a little bit over enthusiastic over the weekend as they tried to place thousands of extra votes for the players.
However, The FA closely monitored the skullduggery and rooted out the rogue votes to find the true winner. Mulligan�s blistering free kick double fired Rovers into The FA Cup third round after a 2 � 1 win over Boston and earned him the Player of the Round nomination from Radio 5 Live�s Mark Clemmit.
Doncaster Rovers Chief Executive Dave Morris said the club is looking forward to a third round tie away to Port Vale or Bristol Rovers. �Either game will be a tough one away from home but we have been doing well in the cups this season so we can�t wait to get stuck in. Dave Mulligan had a great game against Boston. To come on out of position and score two excellent free kicks was fantastic and I am delighted that he won the award.�
In addition to being crowned FA Cup Player of the Round, which guarantees attendance at The FA Cup final and a half-time introduction to the crowd, Dave wins �1000 worth of UMBRO football kit for a local school, club or organisation of his choice.
The Team of The FA Cup comprises Player of the Round winners from the First Qualifying Round to the Semi Final.
In the last two years several Premiership players have featured alongside non-league players, including Jose Antonio Reyes, Freddie Ljungberg, Shay Given and Ruud van Nistelrooy.
Gosport Borough�s Jamie Laidlaw, Northwich Victoria�s Paul Brayson (who has won the award twice this season), Leamington�s Alex Rodman and Eastbourne Borough�s Stuart Tuck are already in this season�s Team of The FA Cup, having won previous Player of the Round awards.
After a week of voting Dave scooped the award, receiving 33 per cent of the 53,000 votes cast on The FA.com. Closely chasing Mulligan for most of the week was Chester�s Ryan Lowe who ended with 22 per cent of the vote.
Mansfield Town�s Richie Barker with 21 per cent, Tamworth�s Matt Redmile with 15 per cent and Stevenage Borough�s Alan Julian with 9 per cent were also in the running for the award.
Some fans did get caught up in the magic of The FA Cup competition and became a little bit over enthusiastic over the weekend as they tried to place thousands of extra votes for the players.
However, The FA closely monitored the skullduggery and rooted out the rogue votes to find the true winner. Mulligan�s blistering free kick double fired Rovers into The FA Cup third round after a 2 � 1 win over Boston and earned him the Player of the Round nomination from Radio 5 Live�s Mark Clemmit.
Doncaster Rovers Chief Executive Dave Morris said the club is looking forward to a third round tie away to Port Vale or Bristol Rovers. �Either game will be a tough one away from home but we have been doing well in the cups this season so we can�t wait to get stuck in. Dave Mulligan had a great game against Boston. To come on out of position and score two excellent free kicks was fantastic and I am delighted that he won the award.�
In addition to being crowned FA Cup Player of the Round, which guarantees attendance at The FA Cup final and a half-time introduction to the crowd, Dave wins �1000 worth of UMBRO football kit for a local school, club or organisation of his choice.
The Team of The FA Cup comprises Player of the Round winners from the First Qualifying Round to the Semi Final.
In the last two years several Premiership players have featured alongside non-league players, including Jose Antonio Reyes, Freddie Ljungberg, Shay Given and Ruud van Nistelrooy.
Gosport Borough�s Jamie Laidlaw, Northwich Victoria�s Paul Brayson (who has won the award twice this season), Leamington�s Alex Rodman and Eastbourne Borough�s Stuart Tuck are already in this season�s Team of The FA Cup, having won previous Player of the Round awards.
Peoples Republik of Aucklandia
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With the extra teams coming in he has a decent chance to be looked at.
Hope he proves a few people wrong. I think too many people on this forum have short memories and do not look at things holisitcally.
Still young and has good experience and a match winning free kick.
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I don't care how much you're making - if you're a professional footballer training week in, week out and never getting close to getting picked in the matchday 15, let alone the starting 11, that's gotta start playing with your head.� Surely every footballer wants to play.
Wasn't a problem for Winston Bogard at Chelsea. As for Mulligan himself, he has shown very little of any value in every game I've seen him play since the U17 World Cup in 1999, so I'm not really surprised he was marginalised so completely this season.
Not true EG - I realise you're not a fan but Mully won the F.A Cup 3 round player of the round a few years ago playing for Donny - that's pretty impressive - sure he may be inconsistant but from what I heard he's not a great trainer and probably expected to waltz it back here - I guess he's fallen out with Ricki - still think with game time he could de a job - seems like this might be the kick up the arse he needs to sort his attitude.
I'm sure he's had good games as a professional player - you don't last long in the game if at least occasionally you don't do some things well, but he has really been nothing more than a journeyman his whole career. I wasn't able to watch his games in England, but the Nix and AWs games I've seen him in the past 2-3 years have shown me a very, very limited player (in fact, I think he has the worst first-touch of any professional player I have ever seen, and I've seen some dodgy ones).
Don't know him personally, so don't know if attitude is the problem, but in my experience coaches tend to grudgingly tolerate it if you have something to back it up with.
This is a big crossroad in Mulligan's career now, and it's up to him to prove me and other naysayers wrong. Of course it would be good for NZ football if he wasn't the player I think he is, so in that respect I hope he proves me wrong.el grapadura2010-03-21 21:45:33
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And as a side note, Round 2 of the FA Cup features clubs from League 1 and 2, plus the non-league clubs who made it that far.
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And as a side note, Round 2 of the FA Cup features clubs from League 1 and 2, plus the non-league clubs who made it that far.
Yeah true but impressive none the less - I mean Smeltzy struggled to even make the bench at Halfaz in the Conference around this time. Some pretty good players in and amongst that lot and to be picked out from several hundred players as the best is an achievement.
Any enough said - hope he gets a contract somewhere and comes back and can do a job and offer an option to the All Whites.
Peoples Republik of Aucklandia
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I think he got that award for the 2 freekicks he scored more than anything.
All i know is,from what ive seen of him,he has been rubbish. And yes I have seen more of him than just first team phoenix action at right fullback for 2 games...
Would definetly love for him to move to another club,get a fresh start and play well there (just not against us)
Tegal2010-03-21 23:02:45Allegedly
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when will we find out the fate of Caceres and Reddy?
and do you think the Nix will even make an announcement if Ferrante/Mully find another team?
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My pick is Mully to go back to England. He's as much English as he is Kiwi and his missus is
Northern (poor woman).
El Grap your assessment of him above is WAY wrong imho. Mully's a good player, but is never a right wing or a right back which is pretty much exclusively where you've seen him play I'm guessing.
Attitude-wise he does have a history though, and I suspect that's what's seen him fall behind the likes of Ferrante (at the Nix) and Barron (in the AWs).
Good luck to him. Definitely got years left in his career yet.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Smeltz was arse in the uk and could barely make the bench at a conference team, mully started regularly in the championship.
Lochead was struggling to make the game squad in the MLS when he left, Brown played end division there before heading over... Bertos also languised in the conference teams for a long period....
Players have bad patches, its how the respond to those that show their quality. If people dismissed other nz players the same way they have with him... we wouldn't have a ingle NZ player good enough for the A league level.
He's a good player who for what ever reason, maybe form, maybe personality clashes... who knows did not get a shot this year.
We can speculate all we want, but an undeniable fact is... he's still the most successful nz player at the nix in terms of the level he's played at.
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Smeltz was arse in the uk and could barely make the bench at a conference team, mully started regularly in the championship.
He spent most of his career playing in League 1 - and he was far from a regular, even in the early years when he did actually play.
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League 1 still better than sitting on the bench at Halifax,
and he played a decent amount of games in the championship which is a higher standard than the MLS and the second tier comp in the usa so what exactly is your point??
He's played at a higher level end of.
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El Grap your assessment of him above is WAY wrong imho. Mully's a good player, but is never a right wing or a right back which is pretty much exclusively where you've seen him play I'm guessing.
But that is where he has played most of his professional career
Touchme, yes he may have played at a higher level in the past but that means nothing when judging him on his current ability. A relegation threatened championship right bak will do one thing, touch, look up hit the channels. That's not a particularly difficult skill set to master
As to him being the most succesful player at the 'nix, that's all in the past ad really has no bearing on his current ability. If when released he was still so succesful why couldn't he even get a spot at any league club? Let's not forget that he was playing League 2 by the time he left England, not the championship
james dean2010-03-23 01:47:52Normo's coming home
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League 1 still better than sitting on the bench at Halifax,
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and he played a decent amount of games in the championship which is a higher standard than the MLS and the second tier comp�in the usa�so what exactly is your point??
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He's played at a higher level end of.
I was just correcting your facts.
As for the more pertinent point, see JD's reply.
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Mully is our kiwi version of Beckham expect he is a bit younger, he doesn't tackle, he isn't fast, can't dribble, has no left foot but has an awesome right foot kick. Maybe he should try being a right midfielder.
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League 1 still better than sitting on the bench at Halifax,
and he played a decent amount of games in the championship which is a higher standard than the MLS and the second tier comp in the usa so what exactly is your point??
He's played at a higher level end of.
Golden Boot in A League twice in a row (plus a Johnny Warren medal winner) is better than not getting on the park for 40-odd matches.
We can harp on about where players have played in the past forever and it counts for very little - at least as far as debating his future. Different managers, different form, differnent opportunities, different styles of football.
And he was given an opportunity. He came straight into the Nix starting line up when he arrived. But he failed to perform, others were given a chance and he cant have done enough at training, in mid week games, when playing for the AWs, to convnce Herbert he deserved another star. I dont believe Herbert could possibly have had anything against him. He signed him for the PHoenix, he picked him for the AWs. In fact, if anything I would have though Herbert had more reasons to give him the chance to prove himself.
Maybe Mulligan can resurrect his career? But i certainly think, based on what I saw of him (and I was extremely disappointed with his basics, first touch, accuracy etc) for the Nix and the AWs in recent times, that Herbert has no choice but to let him go (if that's what this debate essentially about but im not sure now?).
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Think it's about whether he's rubbish (and thus his career is over) or not.
I'm inclined to say not, but others think he'd struggle to make Naenae's starting XI.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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