New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites

Sack everyone

All international transfers went through the goalnet administrator (can't remember her name) but I do know she left NZF maybe a couple of months ago.  I think that role would be the one that checks these kind of things.

No the 5 year school rule is specific to the UK because England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland are actually all the same country 

Sort of, they are all different countries, but are a unified state under UK, so there's no individual passports etc for each individual country.

this completely cocks up Hudsons alignment strategy and a crucial build up phase for the next World Cup. It reminds me of playing for Glen Eden midgets and myself and two players being stood down because we were a few days to old. But fudge this is an Olympic team. Someone senior needs to walk over this

problem here is that Asia doesn't want us and we'd lose our direct route into age group World Cups

I think I'll go blind with rage if that allegation happens to be true. 

What I don't get about this is that we are the big fish in this crap tank that is the Oceania Football Confederation, why are we not throwing our weight around more? 

If they want to play silly buggers in order to get more international exposure, then that's fine. We should move to the AFC, and leave this cesspool that is the OFC to fold and/or become cannon fodder for preliminary WQC through the Asian Confederation. 

This is a big accusation. Sauce? 

If all above board why not comment and why hold secret little meetings.

I would have no issue with the above if it was done in a transparent manner.

so is this final  being played In 40 mins?anyone know?

let's get back to the rules for a second. He has a nz passport as well as the "close connection to nz" requirement. He is a citizen and is not dependent on residence. He is eligible and this will be overturned. My balls my word.

There is no way you need to be in a country 5 years after 18, no way at all. That is a misread of the rules.

Anyone not suspecting foul play is incredibly naive. Why have OFC not released any info or a written explanation until after the final? Complete bollocks

agree. If he actually has a passport (Christ I hope he does or this has been a right royal fudge up). Does anyone know with certainty that he does?

time to lawyer up

Just as importantly for me, is how Vanuatu got the " inside oil " on Wynne's ineligibility? It's not like the rule cited is so simple to understand, that Vanatu said " aha we've got them! " Somebody, somewhere has done some extremely thorough digging...WHO?

If you say the rules have been misread then point to the rules he would be eligible under

I don't know about that. It could have been as simple as him checking into the Port Moresby Hilton with a nice green Safa passport with the Vanutau coach next in line.  

close connection test was added after Qatar started giving Brazilians passports to make hem eligible blatantly rorting the system. He lives in NZ for gods sake!!! Yes it's subjective but sorry that cannot be the answer that's he's not eligible until he's 23

http://www.fifa.com/mm/Document/AFFederation/Gener...

There's only the 4 points mentioned earlier.

You can't be eligible for two national teams and then ineligible for one of them if your playing for the same country and within the same sport... especially when the age bracket you aren't eligible for sits in between the other two.

Its a stitch up and just goes to show we need to move into Asia.

My interpretation of the FIFA statutes:

(please correct me if you think I'm wrong)

http://www.fifa.com/mm/Document/AFFederation/Generic/02/58/14/48/2015FIFAStatutesEN_Neutral.pdf

pp. 63 - 65

This is entitled "The Principle" and should guide interpretation of the other clauses:

5 Principle

1.

Any person holding a permanent nationality that is not dependent on

residence in a certain Country is eligible to play for the representative teams of

the Association of that Country.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Deklan Wynne is eligible to play in the Olympic qualifiers under this clause:

6 Nationality entitling Players to represent more than

one Association

1.

A Player who, under the terms of art. 5, is eligible to represent more than

one Association on account of his nationality, may play in an international

match for one of these Associations only if, in addition to having the relevant

nationality, he fulfils at least one of the following conditions:

a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;

b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the

relevant Association;

c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant

Association;

d) He has lived continuously on the territory of the relevant Association for at

least two years.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

If Wynne applied to FIFA under clause 8 to change the Association for which he is eligible to play international football, and they approved, then the OFC can not override this:

8 Change of Association

1.

If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new

nationality, or if a Player is eligible to play for several representative teams

due to nationality, he may, only once, request to change the Association for

which he is eligible to play international matches to the Association of another

Country of which he holds nationality, subject to the following conditions:

.....

3.

Any Player who has the right to change Associations in accordance with par. 1

and 2 above shall submit a written, substantiated request to the FIFA general

secretariat. The Players’ Status Committee shall decide on the request. The

procedure will be in accordance with the Rules Governing the Procedures of

the Players’ Status Committee and the Dispute Resolution Chamber. Once the

Player has filed his request, he is not eligible to play for any representative

team until his request has been processed.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

The "five year residency" requirement in clause 7 is only for players who have already played for one Association (in a non-competitive match) and want to change to another (Wynne doesn't fall under this category):

7 Acquisition of a new nationality

Any Player who refers to art. 5 par. 1 to assume a new nationality and who

has not played international football in accordance with art. 5 par. 2 shall be

eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfils one of the

following conditions:

a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;

b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the

relevant Association;

c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant

Association;

d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18

on the territory of the relevant Association.

I simply don't believe this is a real possibility. Given the amount of players "naturalised" around the world this issue surely would have been caught before. Also, before submitting team lists and after all players would have to be checked thoroughly and signed off by Fifa.

Fifa wouldn't risk something like this popping up in a tournament... could you imagine if this was a world cup final or semi etc.

To many hoops would have been jumped already for it not to have been picked up here or abroad.

The law may be ambiguous, but OFC's actions are clear.

They have deliberately bent us over and said thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rul...

Pete is that the most recent version of the statute? Your analysis looks right

why are we looking past 5.1 - he holds nationality based on citizenship not residence

If FIFA want Article 7 to only apply to players who have played non-competitive football for a member association and want to change nationality then they have done a very poor job of wording that clause. I read that as saying that any player who wants to change nationality must meet that requirement, and then submit the request to FIFA under article 8.

Why no official update?

I looked past it because I didn't really know what it means.

No one uses faxes anymore.

This email thing is the shizzle!

You can even send PDFs FFS!!!

The final is underway, could be a meaningless match if NZF win their challenge

Yes but in his case he would have got citizenship based upon residence and thereafter time criteria.

The bottom line is that if he is a citizen now he would have been living here 5 years after getting his first residence visa.

Admittedly those 5 years obviously wouldn't have been since the age of 18 however.