It is a blight on the game across all levels and FIFA needs to get referees to start doing something about it.
At northern league level last year there was a massive crackdown on abusing match officials, handing out 4 week bans and $200 fines left right and centre.
But at the top level they seem too scared to use it, so they are punishing people who really are not the ones popularizing abuse of match officials.
This has been covered before but do believe it warrants been brought up again. I am a avid football fan and only want our teams to do well but I was in a strange position on Sunday watching the Team Wellington game.
I was there to support T/W and hoping they would make it through to the final but looking at the squad that took the field their was only 3 players that played their winter football in Wellington - Henry, Louis and Cole and the subs that played there was only Adam.
It does get you thinking about how is this a Team from Wellington and how does this help develop our local players, how much does this all cost flying in players from out of the region? How do you expect crouds to turn to support our team?
Yes I know there is a bigger picture with the O league but strongly believe there should be a limit on how many non locals you can have in your match day squad.
Not sure if this is across all franchises or just ours? Just my thoughts!
Especially when there are (at least) two lads who plied their trade in Wellington but we're overlooked and went to Hawke's Bay instead (both starting)
Nope. Based on league placing.
Fair enough. You learn something new every day....
The same could be said of HBU. If they are in the final knowing regardless of the outcome, they are off to Fiji, then do they even need to turn up knowing that no team has touched ACFC this year really?
Grumpy old bastard alert
Nope. Based on league placing.
Fair enough. You learn something new every day....
But they don't know. If HBU win the final, then they take the O league spot. Only way to 100% ensure qualification was to win the semifinal.
This has been covered before but do believe it warrants been brought up again. I am a avid football fan and only want our teams to do well but I was in a strange position on Sunday watching the Team Wellington game.
I was there to support T/W and hoping they would make it through to the final but looking at the squad that took the field their was only 3 players that played their winter football in Wellington - Henry, Louis and Cole and the subs that played there was only Adam.
It does get you thinking about how is this a Team from Wellington and how does this help develop our local players, how much does this all cost flying in players from out of the region? How do you expect crouds to turn to support our team?
Yes I know there is a bigger picture with the O league but strongly believe there should be a limit on how many non locals you can have in your match day squad.
Not sure if this is across all franchises or just ours? Just my thoughts!
Sorry to harp on about this but I read in the programme last night that T/W have approach Capital Football to help with the costs to attend the O League.
Capital Football in turn (from what I understand) have asked clubs to assist - Why would clubs be happy to contribute to this if we only have 4 players that took the field for the weekend from Wellington in the team? (I didn't count Paul as he didn't play the last winter season in Wellington)
Again sorry for my rant but very frustrated with how the current T/W team is selected!
This has been covered before but do believe it warrants been brought up again. I am a avid football fan and only want our teams to do well but I was in a strange position on Sunday watching the Team Wellington game.
I was there to support T/W and hoping they would make it through to the final but looking at the squad that took the field their was only 3 players that played their winter football in Wellington - Henry, Louis and Cole and the subs that played there was only Adam.
It does get you thinking about how is this a Team from Wellington and how does this help develop our local players, how much does this all cost flying in players from out of the region? How do you expect crouds to turn to support our team?
Yes I know there is a bigger picture with the O league but strongly believe there should be a limit on how many non locals you can have in your match day squad.
Not sure if this is across all franchises or just ours? Just my thoughts!
Sorry to harp on about this but I read in the programme last night that T/W have approach Capital Football to help with the costs to attend the O League.
Capital Football in turn (from what I understand) have asked clubs to assist - Why would clubs be happy to contribute to this if we only have 4 players that took the field for the weekend from Wellington in the team? (I didn't count Paul as he didn't play the last winter season in Wellington)
Again sorry for my rant but very frustrated with how the current T/W team is selected!
You'd have to ask the two clubs who did contribute. Wharfies and Miramar I think.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
This has been covered before but do believe it warrants been brought up again. I am a avid football fan and only want our teams to do well but I was in a strange position on Sunday watching the Team Wellington game.
I was there to support T/W and hoping they would make it through to the final but looking at the squad that took the field their was only 3 players that played their winter football in Wellington - Henry, Louis and Cole and the subs that played there was only Adam.
It does get you thinking about how is this a Team from Wellington and how does this help develop our local players, how much does this all cost flying in players from out of the region? How do you expect crouds to turn to support our team?
Yes I know there is a bigger picture with the O league but strongly believe there should be a limit on how many non locals you can have in your match day squad.
Not sure if this is across all franchises or just ours? Just my thoughts!
Sorry to harp on about this but I read in the programme last night that T/W have approach Capital Football to help with the costs to attend the O League.
Capital Football in turn (from what I understand) have asked clubs to assist - Why would clubs be happy to contribute to this if we only have 4 players that took the field for the weekend from Wellington in the team? (I didn't count Paul as he didn't play the last winter season in Wellington)
Again sorry for my rant but very frustrated with how the current T/W team is selected!
You'd have to ask the two clubs who did contribute. Wharfies and Miramar I think.
I'm just hoping I get offered a trip to Fiji on laundry duties
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This has been covered before but do believe it warrants been brought up again. I am a avid football fan and only want our teams to do well but I was in a strange position on Sunday watching the Team Wellington game.
I was there to support T/W and hoping they would make it through to the final but looking at the squad that took the field their was only 3 players that played their winter football in Wellington - Henry, Louis and Cole and the subs that played there was only Adam.
It does get you thinking about how is this a Team from Wellington and how does this help develop our local players, how much does this all cost flying in players from out of the region? How do you expect crouds to turn to support our team?
Yes I know there is a bigger picture with the O league but strongly believe there should be a limit on how many non locals you can have in your match day squad.
Not sure if this is across all franchises or just ours? Just my thoughts!
Especially when there are (at least) two lads who plied their trade in Wellington but we're overlooked and went to Hawke's Bay instead (both starting)
I think when the 'best' team in the country (Auckland) are no longer speaking English to each other, the perhaps there is a bit of a problem.
Looking across the league in general and the 'locals' and by that I mean live there and play there winter football there over an established period of time, there are not many Aucklanders in ACFC, about the same amount of Wellingtonians in Team Wellington, Waitakere got worse this year in respect of that, Canterbury faithful have bemoaned the influx of retred Aucklanders and Hawkes Bay raided players from Auckland and Wellington.
Going to the other way, I think Peter Smith looked like he stuck to his plan to play locals and they looked ok. I saw 2 games and thought they were unlucky. Southern are locals. The other 2 teams are composites but it paints a terrible picture of our national league and the state of it.
Grumpy old bastard alert
The thing that bamboozles me is why NZF think that going back to a winter-club-based league is going to fix any of these problems.
Why wouldn't you look next door to Australia and how they have fixed their (very similar) problems with the A-League?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
The thing that bamboozles me is why NZF think that going back to a winter-club-based league is going to fix any of these problems.
Why wouldn't you look next door to Australia and how they have fixed their (very similar) problems with the A-League?
The planned national competitions review process will be interesting, to say the least.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
I think when the 'best' team in the country (Auckland) are no longer speaking English to each other, the perhaps there is a bit of a problem.
Looking across the league in general and the 'locals' and by that I mean live there and play there winter football there over an established period of time, there are not many Aucklanders in ACFC, about the same amount of Wellingtonians in Team Wellington, Waitakere got worse this year in respect of that, Canterbury faithful have bemoaned the influx of retred Aucklanders and Hawkes Bay raided players from Auckland and Wellington.
Going to the other way, I think Peter Smith looked like he stuck to his plan to play locals and they looked ok. I saw 2 games and thought they were unlucky. Southern are locals. The other 2 teams are composites but it paints a terrible picture of our national league and the state of it.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
The thing that bamboozles me is why NZF think that going back to a winter-club-based league is going to fix any of these problems.
Why wouldn't you look next door to Australia and how they have fixed their (very similar) problems with the A-League?
We all know that NZF have been asleep at the wheel for the last x amount of years of the national competition but in respect of that, Martin has been there just on a year now and Rob Sherman has been there even less so what is in place, is not of their making and inheriting what could be described in some places, as a steam dog turd of a comp.
They have started to look at the make up of it just now after addressing other things that they viewed as a priority and to be fair, some of the noise coming out of HQ regarding other stuff does not reek of numptiness like previous management. If they trot out the same comp again, they are going to have an incredibly hard time selling a polished up dog turd to anyone so I think they will be acutely aware (hopefully) of what they put out needs to be absolutely well thought out and rock solid and they have to hit a home run as best they can. If they take stock of their environment and as you say 'look at Aussie' then maybe there is hope for them cause it seems to be working over there.
I think more than anything, pretty much everyone has a different opinion as to how our national comp should look and operate so I think it can be a fair statement to make that there is not an overwhelming opinion as to which particular solution is the right one or will fix all problems because of the varied nature of opinions. With that in mind, perhaps any solution that is trotted out will be poo pooed by a faction and likely to be acceptable to only 50% of the football population. I can see both sides to summer vs winter, club vs franchise and I don't know any more which solution is the best one (and by best, that does not necessarily mean 'right' one) or where I sit on it cause its easy to go both ways on all arguments.
I do not envy those looking at the fix but I do know that they have to nail it even if the best option, is not the most widely acceptable to others.
Grumpy old bastard alert
The thing that bamboozles me is why NZF think that going back to a winter-club-based league is going to fix any of these problems.
Why wouldn't you look next door to Australia and how they have fixed their (very similar) problems with the A-League?
We all know that NZF have been asleep at the wheel for the last x amount of years of the national competition but in respect of that, Martin has been there just on a year now and Rob Sherman has been there even less so what is in place, is not of their making and inheriting what could be described in some places, as a steam dog turd of a comp.
They have started to look at the make up of it just now after addressing other things that they viewed as a priority and to be fair, some of the noise coming out of HQ regarding other stuff does not reek of numptiness like previous management. If they trot out the same comp again, they are going to have an incredibly hard time selling a polished up dog turd to anyone so I think they will be acutely aware (hopefully) of what they put out needs to be absolutely well thought out and rock solid and they have to hit a home run as best they can. If they take stock of their environment and as you say 'look at Aussie' then maybe there is hope for them cause it seems to be working over there.
I think more than anything, pretty much everyone has a different opinion as to how our national comp should look and operate so I think it can be a fair statement to make that there is not an overwhelming opinion as to which particular solution is the right one or will fix all problems because of the varied nature of opinions. With that in mind, perhaps any solution that is trotted out will be poo pooed by a faction and likely to be acceptable to only 50% of the football population. I can see both sides to summer vs winter, club vs franchise and I don't know any more which solution is the best one (and by best, that does not necessarily mean 'right' one) or where I sit on it cause its easy to go both ways on all arguments.
I do not envy those looking at the fix but I do know that they have to nail it even if the best option, is not the most widely acceptable to others.
To take it a step further i think NZF will attempt to start with a clean sheet. They will have some bottom lines. Here are a few thought starters.
1. the competition should be approx 38 weeks long (9 months); there may be a regional component to part of the 38 weeks
2. they will accept entries from a mix of entities - individual clubs, existing franchises if that works best in a region, and new franchises (multi-club entities sharing resources and offering 'pathways')
3. youth and women will have to be part of the mix (but perhaps phased in)
4. financial criteria
Kotahitanga. We are one.
I think when the 'best' team in the country (Auckland) are no longer speaking English to each other, the perhaps there is a bit of a problem.
This smacks of latent racism. Emiliano Tade, for instance, ended up being extremely eloquent in English.
I'm not an ACFC fan (and don't want to sound like an apologist for them) but they are playing within the rules of the competition. Sure they utilise pokey money and employ 'coaches that play a bit' from overseas but blame the system not the club.
I think that statement taken on it's own would be questionable but as it's part of the larger debate it's just an observation of fact and indication of what concerns some people.
As you say, it's within the rules but as people have long said on here those rules may need a review.
I think when the 'best' team in the country (Auckland) are no longer speaking English to each other, the perhaps there is a bit of a problem.
This smacks of latent racism. Emiliano Tade, for instance, ended up being extremely eloquent in English.
I'm not an ACFC fan (and don't want to sound like an apologist for them) but they are playing within the rules of the competition. Sure they utilise pokey money and employ 'coaches that play a bit' from overseas but blame the system not the club.
I think (hope) you are joking when you accuse Liberty of making a racist statement, given that the statement does not meet the definition of racism.
Their point highlights an issue many have commented on, too many players representing a franchise when they do not have a "year round" association/affinity with that franchise area - whether that be "overseas" players (with ACFC mainly in the spotlight) or "nationally imported" players (with Team Wellington more recently being in the spotlight).
Thankfully it appears our national league will shortly be reviewed. Hopefully as part of that review the purpose of our national league will be clearly defined (and advised) and then the rules/regulations can be crafted to best ensure the purpose is achieved - whatever that may be.
This has been covered before but do believe it warrants been brought up again. I am a avid football fan and only want our teams to do well but I was in a strange position on Sunday watching the Team Wellington game.
I was there to support T/W and hoping they would make it through to the final but looking at the squad that took the field their was only 3 players that played their winter football in Wellington - Henry, Louis and Cole and the subs that played there was only Adam.
It does get you thinking about how is this a Team from Wellington and how does this help develop our local players, how much does this all cost flying in players from out of the region? How do you expect crouds to turn to support our team?
Yes I know there is a bigger picture with the O league but strongly believe there should be a limit on how many non locals you can have in your match day squad.
Not sure if this is across all franchises or just ours? Just my thoughts!
Sorry to harp on about this but I read in the programme last night that T/W have approach Capital Football to help with the costs to attend the O League.
Capital Football in turn (from what I understand) have asked clubs to assist - Why would clubs be happy to contribute to this if we only have 4 players that took the field for the weekend from Wellington in the team? (I didn't count Paul as he didn't play the last winter season in Wellington)
Again sorry for my rant but very frustrated with how the current T/W team is selected!
You'd have to ask the two clubs who did contribute. Wharfies and Miramar I think.
I'm just hoping I get offered a trip to Fiji on laundry duties
actually just acknowledging it would be nice of them
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The thing that bamboozles me is why NZF think that going back to a winter-club-based league is going to fix any of these problems.
Why wouldn't you look next door to Australia and how they have fixed their (very similar) problems with the A-League?
We all know that NZF have been asleep at the wheel for the last x amount of years of the national competition but in respect of that, Martin has been there just on a year now and Rob Sherman has been there even less so what is in place, is not of their making and inheriting what could be described in some places, as a steam dog turd of a comp.
They have started to look at the make up of it just now after addressing other things that they viewed as a priority and to be fair, some of the noise coming out of HQ regarding other stuff does not reek of numptiness like previous management. If they trot out the same comp again, they are going to have an incredibly hard time selling a polished up dog turd to anyone so I think they will be acutely aware (hopefully) of what they put out needs to be absolutely well thought out and rock solid and they have to hit a home run as best they can. If they take stock of their environment and as you say 'look at Aussie' then maybe there is hope for them cause it seems to be working over there.
I think more than anything, pretty much everyone has a different opinion as to how our national comp should look and operate so I think it can be a fair statement to make that there is not an overwhelming opinion as to which particular solution is the right one or will fix all problems because of the varied nature of opinions. With that in mind, perhaps any solution that is trotted out will be poo pooed by a faction and likely to be acceptable to only 50% of the football population. I can see both sides to summer vs winter, club vs franchise and I don't know any more which solution is the best one (and by best, that does not necessarily mean 'right' one) or where I sit on it cause its easy to go both ways on all arguments.
I do not envy those looking at the fix but I do know that they have to nail it even if the best option, is not the most widely acceptable to others.
To take it a step further i think NZF will attempt to start with a clean sheet. They will have some bottom lines. Here are a few thought starters.
1. the competition should be approx 38 weeks long (9 months); there may be a regional component to part of the 38 weeks
2. they will accept entries from a mix of entities - individual clubs, existing franchises if that works best in a region, and new franchises (multi-club entities sharing resources and offering 'pathways')
3. youth and women will have to be part of the mix (but perhaps phased in)
4. financial criteria
NZF have a wonderful track record of enforcing "criteria" ;)
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
How much will the existence of the Phoenix play a part in this? If NZF come up with this magnificent new national league, that will give ammo to those in Australia that might say "There is a perfectly good competition in NZ, let the nix play there and leave the A League to Australia".
How much will the existence of the Phoenix play a part in this? If NZF come up with this magnificent new national league, that will give ammo to those in Australia that might say "There is a perfectly good competition in NZ, let the nix play there and leave the A League to Australia".
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
How much will the existence of the Phoenix play a part in this? If NZF come up with this magnificent new national league, that will give ammo to those in Australia that might say "There is a perfectly good competition in NZ, let the nix play there and leave the A League to Australia".
I suspect NZF desire a similar semi pro set up to Aussie NPL. Whether that is feasible or not is probably a whole new thread. I'll be interested in NZF process on this one.
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Exodus Team Wellington has named their squad for the Fiji Airways OFC Champions League.
Team Wellington will face AS Tefana (Tahiti), Hekari United (Papa New Guinea) and Tafea FC (Vanuatu) as the 13th edition of the OFC Champions League kicks off on the 11 April in Fiji with 12 teams competing for Oceania's prestigious trophy and a spot at the next FIFA Club World Cup.
Team Wellington will be competing at the tournament for the first time. Head coach Matt Calcott has added strength to his squad by signing Waitakere United trio Jake Butler, Chris Bale and Alex Carr, Hawkes Bay United’s Sean Lovemore, Tom Jackson from Southern United and former Team Wellington player Justin Gulley. Aaron Scott from WaiBOP United who was a late season signing also bolsters the squad.
They join ‘keepers Michael O’Keeffe and Dan Clarke, defenders Bill Robertson, Ian Hogg, Tim Myers and Adam Cowan, midfielders Cole Peverley, Alex Feneridis, Mickael Partodikromo, and forwards Jarrod Smith, Michael Gwyther, Henry Fa’arodo and Luis Corrales.
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A few TW players could not get time off work/family
so they shipped in more out of towners
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A few TW players could not get time off work/family
so they shipped in more out of towners
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A few TW players could not get time off work/family
so they shipped in more out of towners
Well played Blew.
A fan is a fan.
UNDERDOG: One that is expected to lose a contest or struggle
Happy to see Jackson in the TW
Chettleburgh not avaliable? or not wanted?
Chettleburgh not avaliable? or not wanted?
Will go and check now.
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Chettleburgh not avaliable? or not wanted?
Will go and check now.
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A few TW players could not get time off work/family
so they shipped in more out of towners
More ring-ins than ACFC! Waitakere Utd in disguise.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Game One. 2-1 win
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Chettleburgh not avaliable? or not wanted?
Will go and check now.
So all that talk about players declining to play O League was obviously rubbish then.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Chettleburgh not avaliable? or not wanted?
Will go and check now.
So all that talk about players declining to play O League was obviously rubbish then.
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