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Junior82 wrote:
Genuine questions: 
 
1. Do all you supporters feel that the club has been victimised?
 
Yes and no.I find some of the hypocrisy about standards and being fit to wear the shirt/play for the club  quite startling to be honest. Example- Ferguson's latest rant.Glass houses ,sunshine.Remember Kung-fu Cantona , I -want -to- end -his- career Keane, knob the sister - in -law Giggs, pot-a granny-while -the -missus is preggers Shrek .Little comment about standards then - although maybe you don't have any, old son. Happy to have a team of psychopathic rooters just so long as your're winning , eh ?
The media has really had a field day about this- I get that but some of it was just OTT. I do wonder how much of this would have been played out in the public eye if it wasn't LFC and the scum.Two  VERY high profile clubs with long standing emnity between them- great fodder for the press.Drawing a VERY long bow to suggest that LFC is soft on racism just beacuse Suarez is alleged to have said something.Yet that's exactly what's happened.
 
 
2. Do any of you think that some of this isbrought about by the club's actions/inactions and your gaffer's handling of the press?
 
Yes.
Regardless of how I feel about the way Kenny has handled this , there is little doubt in my mind that this has had a bearing on how things have been perceived.I said above that the silence from the owners was deafening.That didn't help Kenny in the slightest.
 
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Tyler wrote:
previous unfounded accusations from EVra
 
You obviously have definite incidents in mind.  Care to name them?
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Tegal wrote:
HE was the racist one.
 
 
He's not racist. Suarez. Is. Not. Racist.
 
Couldn't agree with The Kop more. I'm so so sad Kenny has apologised to the media. That man should never have to apologise to those c**ts. Ever. Not for anything. That git commentator saying 'this is the type of performance that makes fans want managers sacked' get f**ked.
 
So many w**kers coming into this thread from all sides. Saying Suarez should never play for LFC again... f**king hell.
 
 
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Stripes wrote:
Tyler wrote:
previous unfounded accusations from EVra
 
You obviously have definite incidents in mind.  Care to name them?
 
perhaps the one where the FA said Evra's claims were, and I quote, "unreliable" and "exaggerated"?
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Junior82 wrote:
Genuine questions: 
 
1. Do all you supporters feel that the club has been victimised?
 
2. Do any of you think that some of this isbrought about by the club's actions/inactions and your gaffer's handling of the press?
 
 
I think that the club has definitely been a victim of the ridiculous point-scoring that has occurred in this 'fight against racism'. I don't think this is necessarily because its Liverpool. But, for example, I see they still have no evidence.
 
And for 2, Kenny doesn't trust the press. I wonder why. Maybe it was a certain event the last time he was in charge of the club. Kenny cares more about the club than the media and I'm glad he stands up for the club. Would rather that than Roy "we'll cross that bridge when we get to it" Hodgson.
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Sunset Sam wrote:
Whatever the character of Evra and whether, or not, he is the biggest **** in the EPL, Suarez portrayed himself, at best, as naive the fall into Evra's 'trap', as many supporters are claiming. At worst, he revelled his true character. He may be a great footballer, but he is also a small man. And trouble is, one day, his footballing skills will fade, but his character won't. And I am sorry to say King Kenny hasn't enhanced his reputation either. Just sad, sad.
 
go get f**ked. not even worth giving a reasoned response to that.
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Jazzman wrote:
Ian Ayre has waded in as well , I see. I wonder if pressure from on high was brought to bear on Kenny and Suarez , insisting on apologies.
 
Yes, this is embarassingly obvious.
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Tegal wrote:
  But Suarez had the chance to let things go at the start but chose not to.
 
Nobody should be made to shake the hand of someone who's done so much damage to his reputation and career.
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This whole affair is embarrassing. Both Evra and Suarez are embarrassing. Neither manager comes out of it shining either, both have said and done daft things to/in the media in relation to this.

End of the day it's turned into he said she said primary school playground bollocks and neither side is the winner.

Three for me, and two for them.

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El-Ni�o wrote:
Stripes wrote:
Tyler wrote:
previous unfounded accusations from EVra
 
You obviously have definite incidents in mind.  Care to name them?
 
perhaps the one where the FA said Evra's claims were, and I quote, "unreliable" and "exaggerated"?
You sure about this?  Here are some quotes fromthe FA judgement that suggest otherwise.
 

"First, Mr Evra was a credible witness whose evidence was not seriously undermined in any material respect, as explained above. Secondly, we found Mr Suarez, in contrast, to be an unreliable witness on critical parts of his evidence."

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Don't agree , EN ( oddly , I generally find myself agreeing with a lot of what you write).
No , Kenny doesn't have to apologise to those f...ing inbreds  , ever. But he had to , just to put this to bed ( or , to put it another way , because he was told to).If he hadn't . there was the ( IMO) considerable risk that the club's image would have been even more tarnished than it has been.And when we're in a global market where shirt sales/merchandising etc is a very big deal these days , any hint of a an issue  that puts that at risk has to be dealt with. I doubt very much Fenway bought the club without looking at the US as a huge , untapped market.A suggestion that the club is racist would go down like a hint of cold dog sick.  Doesn't make it right but that's the reality of the times we're in at the mo'.The Asian market as well is huge and LFC has a very strong following there as well.
I will ALWAYS trust Kenny's love and passion for the club. I saw it first hand some years ago. But externally he was at real risk as being loyal to the point of being myopic. Sunset Sam was right on this point-to the great unwashed and illiterate f**kers out there he was potentially looking soft on this.ANd if he hadn't sucked it up , is it not completely impossible that he may have been in trouble with Fenway to the point of being sacked himself? Dunno about you , EN but I'd rather have Kenny a million times more than anyone else.
But yes , Ferguson and  that muppet who was going to throw away his supporters badge if Suarez kept playing can just f... off .
YNWA.
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El-Ni�o wrote:
Stripes wrote:
Tyler wrote:
previous unfounded accusations from EVra
 
You obviously have definite incidents in mind.  Care to name them?
 
perhaps the one where the FA said Evra's claims were, and I quote, "unreliable" and "exaggerated"?
 
You don't name it, but I assume that you're talking about the so-called "Battle of the Bridge" in April 2008.  It is worth reading the FA judgment in full, rather than just fleecing it of two words.  Take particular note:
 
The allegation of the racist remark is completely irrelevant to the charges against Mr Evra. He has never claimed to have heard any such remark. It follows that he claims no provocation by any racist remark or any justification for his actions as a result of any such remark.
 
Members of the Man U coaching staff levelled those accusations, while Evra undermined them.  The suggestion that he has a history of unfounded charges of racist abuse on the basis of this incident isn't just a vile slander, it's patently absurd.
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Stripes wrote:
El-Ni�o wrote:
Stripes wrote:
Tyler wrote:
previous unfounded accusations from EVra
 
You obviously have definite incidents in mind.  Care to name them?
 
perhaps the one where the FA said Evra's claims were, and I quote, "unreliable" and "exaggerated"?
 
You don't name it, but I assume that you're talking about the so-called "Battle of the Bridge" in April 2008.  It is worth reading the FA judgment in full, rather than just fleecing it of two words.  Take particular note:
 
The allegation of the racist remark is completely irrelevant to the charges against Mr Evra. He has never claimed to have heard any such remark. It follows that he claims no provocation by any racist remark or any justification for his actions as a result of any such remark.
 
Members of the Man U coaching staff levelled those accusations, while Evra undermined them.  The suggestion that he has a history of unfounded charges of racist abuse on the basis of this incident isn't just a vile slander, it's patently absurd.
 
They said his account was "exaggerated and unreliable. it is an attempt to justify a physical intervention by him which cannot reasonably be justified." I talk about Evra as a whole, not specifically regarding 'playing the race card' as I do agree with you there.
 
And that last part is, quite frankly, absurd in itself. well, hypocritical at least. While I agree with the point, this case has been treated in a similar way. Evra and the FA both agree that Suarez is not a racist. So, therefore, do you believe it is 'vile slander' that the Daily Mail can get away with having a headline that just says Racist with a picture of Suarez? Do you believe Suarez is a racist? Would you agree he has had his reputation destroyed by this whole saga? Because I believe that not only is he a racist, but that he has done absolutely nothing wrong and been treated appallingly by the FA and the media. I would say in a xenophobic way, but thats opening another can of worms. They want their league to be the best in the world, and they treat cultural differences like this?
 
I seriously believe the actual issue of racism has been undermined by this whole affair. The way it has been treated by the powers-that-be as a way to score points is absolutely sickening.
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Jazzman wrote:
Don't agree , EN ( oddly , I generally find myself agreeing with a lot of what you write).
No , Kenny doesn't have to apologise to those f...ing inbreds  , ever. But he had to , just to put this to bed ( or , to put it another way , because he was told to).If he hadn't . there was the ( IMO) considerable risk that the club's image would have been even more tarnished than it has been.
 
I agree to an extent, but I think the club should have apologised, not left Kenny out there to face up to it himself.
 
Ayre should have apologised on behalf of the club and left it at that. Suarez had to apologise, even though I don't agree with it, simply because we have to try to move on. Ayre coming out having a go at Suarez... way to leave a lad out to dry. Completely unnecessary.
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So how many racist things do you have to say before you become a racist?
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2ndBest wrote:
So how many racist things do you have to say before you become a racist?
 
I don't know, ask Evra and the FA, they don't think he's racist.
 
Me? I don't think he's said anything racist in the first place. That's what I think.
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El-Ni�o wrote:
Stripes wrote:
I assume that you're talking about the so-called "Battle of the Bridge" in April 2008.  It is worth reading the FA judgment in full, rather than just fleecing it of two words.  Take particular note:
 
The allegation of the racist remark is completely irrelevant to the charges against Mr Evra. He has never claimed to have heard any such remark. It follows that he claims no provocation by any racist remark or any justification for his actions as a result of any such remark.
 
Members of the Man U coaching staff levelled those accusations, while Evra undermined them.  The suggestion that he has a history of unfounded charges of racist abuse on the basis of this incident isn't just a vile slander, it's patently absurd.
 
They said his account was "exaggerated and unreliable. it is an attempt to justify a physical intervention by him which cannot reasonably be justified." I talk about Evra as a whole, not specifically regarding 'playing the race card' as I do agree with you there.
 
And that last part is, quite frankly, absurd in itself. well, hypocritical at least. While I agree with the point, this case has been treated in a similar way. Evra and the FA both agree that Suarez is not a racist. So, therefore, do you believe it is 'vile slander' that the Daily Mail can get away with having a headline that just says Racist with a picture of Suarez? Do you believe Suarez is a racist? Would you agree he has had his reputation destroyed by this whole saga? Because I believe that not only is he a racist, but that he has done absolutely nothing wrong and been treated appallingly by the FA and the media. I would say in a xenophobic way, but thats opening another can of worms. They want their league to be the best in the world, and they treat cultural differences like this?
 
I seriously believe the actual issue of racism has been undermined by this whole affair. The way it has been treated by the powers-that-be as a way to score points is absolutely sickening.
 
I take the 2008 incident as good reason to think that Evra takes matters of racial abuse extremely seriously.  He was facing a four-game ban (and what, for someone on his wages, was a small fine), members of his club's coaching staff were making allegations of racial abuse, and Evra still made no claim along those lines.
 
It's not hypocritical for me to sustain a defence of Evra on the facts of the matter without going in to bat for Suarez, because the facts substantially differ.  Whereas the FA and Evra agree that Suarez is not a racist (and I tend to stand with them), the Mail's attack on the Liverpool man is defensible on the evidence.  They Mail may very well say, "he has engaged in racial abuse, that is what we mean by racist", and my reply can only be, "I have something stronger in mind when I use that term."
 
Suarez's reputation as the Cannibal of Ajax has indeed been effaced by a more recent scandal, just as that took over from his Hand of God routine.  Perhaps that is a problem for those with short memories, but I don't see anything in it.
 
(Now, if you want to start needling me with "what about Joey Barton?" - that is a softer spot.  If Suarez makes a sincere effort to clean up his act and is still being attacked in the press, I will happily join his defenders.)
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Stripes wrote:
(Now, if you want to start needling me with "what about Joey Barton?" - that is a softer spot.  If Suarez makes a sincere effort to clean up his act and is still being attacked in the press, I will happily join his defenders.)
 
I await Suarez's first twitter quoting Kierkegaard (or Bruce).
 
 
Bellamy and Bowyer are still prize *rseholes tho, eh?
 
 
Junior822012-02-13 16:51:57

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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2ndBest wrote:
So how many racist things do you have to say before you become a racist?
 
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How dare Suarez bring shame on such a glorious club like L.F.C. little sh*t, sooner he goes the better. K.D backed him to the hilt and he pulls that stunt.While all week saying he would shake Evra's hand.Absolute disgrace.(imo)
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Jazzman wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
So how many racist things do you have to say before you become a racist?

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Well said that man.

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Disappointed with the whole way in which this has been dealt with by Suarez, the Club, the Management and particularly some of the fans. All giving the media more ammo for the f**king frenzy.

 
First off, Suarez was in the wrong from the get go, and despite whatever fairytale story he dreamed up, it's about the 'context' of was he said and the situation in which he said it.
 
Whether it's acceptable to talk that kind of sh*t with your mates back in Uruguay or not, the fact remains that if a person that that kind of remark is directed at feels offended or feels racially abused, then it's racial abuse.
 
His BS defense is like someone saying "Oh, it's OK. My Father was a Nazi" after making racially derogatory remarks towards Yossi Benayoun on the pitch.
 
Got no love for the Scum, or for Evra, but the fact of the matter is that the slurs Suarez abused Evra with were unacceptable, and his behaviour since has been a disgrace. Capped it off by being an absolute f*cking wank-job when he had an opportunity to admit he was wrong, legitimately apologise for any offense caused, and let the whole thing rest.
 
Absolute f*cking Twit.
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if you ask me Evra has it in for Suarez. As soon as Suarez "missed" out him during the handshakes he takes a couple of steps towards the camera and flaps his arms. Pre planned in my opinion.

and 20sec into the game he flies into a challenge against Suarez, but instead he takes out Ferdinand and almost gives Liverpool a goal. If only Gerrards pass wasnt to heavy then Suarez would have been 1 on 1 with De Gea. And lets be honest i know who i'd be backing in that situation.
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Milky Pisswit wrote:

Disappointed with the whole way in which this has been dealt with by Suarez, the Club, the Management and particularly some of the fans. All giving the media more ammo for the f**king frenzy.

 
First off, Suarez was in the wrong from the get go, and despite whatever fairytale story he dreamed up, it's about the 'context' of was he said and the situation in which he said it.
 
Whether it's acceptable to talk that kind of sh*t with your mates back in Uruguay or not, the fact remains that if a person that that kind of remark is directed at feels offended or feels racially abused, then it's racial abuse.
 
His BS defense is like someone saying "Oh, it's OK. My Father was a Nazi" after making racially derogatory remarks towards Yossi Benayoun on the pitch.
 
Got no love for the Scum, or for Evra, but the fact of the matter is that the slurs Suarez abused Evra with were unacceptable, and his behaviour since has been a disgrace. Capped it off by being an absolute f*cking wank-job when he had an opportunity to admit he was wrong, legitimately apologise for any offense caused, and let the whole thing rest.
 
Absolute f*cking Twit.
 
I would almost go as far as to say "a disgrace" and that perhaps he should never play for Liverpool again...
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The rest of the world should listen to John Barnes talk. Now that man speaks sense.

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At the end of the day Liverpool, Kenny and Suarez and the supporters will always claim innocence just as much as United, Fergie, Evra and their supporters will claim Suarez is guilty. It's going to be a never ending argument. Enough said!
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robags wrote:
At the end of the day Liverpool, Kenny and Suarez and the supporters will always claim innocence just as much as United, Fergie, Evra and their supporters will claim Suarez is guilty. It's going to be a never ending argument. Enough said!
 
Maybe we should just try and focus on our FA Cup 5th round tie and a trip to Wembley. Kenny Dalglish leading Liverpool out at Wembley. Now that is something that warms the heart.
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Thankyou, was getting sick of reading handbags at 10 paces over the last few days, watching the game was bad enough.

I thought Kenny set us up way too negative and the 2-1 scoreline flattered us. He wanted a draw with the hope to pinch a goal for the win. Downing was so poor! Kuyt had an average game, gerrard played too deep, suarez was isolated up top by himself. Reminds me a bit of how we would use torres away against the big clubs, slip a ball to him and he could gas the centre backs and get a shot away. Suarez is more of a clever player around the box. He can't play like torres used to for us. How small was the margin between hendersons flick on to rooney and clearing it comfortably? Two inches? And I sure hope spearing learns from that error too.

Brighton will be a tough game, I'm sure they have learnt since the carling cup game, Poyet has them playing good football and we better not go underestimating them like the last team that began with the letter B!
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Back to football matters for a moment, has anyone realised we've got a great run in to the end of the season?

We have no more games against the top 3, and play Arsenal and Chelsea at Anfield. The only potentially tough away game we've got left is against Newcastle, but optimistically I don't think that should be too difficult.

Compare that to Arsenal, who have still yet to play Man City and Tottenham, plus champions league fixtures. Same situation for Chelsea. Newcastle have to play City right at the end of the season as well, so I would say that we've definitely got the best run-in of the four teams realistically in line for fourth place.

That, combined with the fact that these teams are all playing each other at least twice, has actually got me feeling quite optimistic about sneaking in to a champions league spot!

Here's our run-in -

March 2012
Liverpool v Arsenal      Sat 3 Mar      12:45     
Sunderland v Liverpool      Sat 10 Mar      15:00     
QPR v Liverpool      Sat 17 Mar      15:00     
Liverpool v Wigan      Sat 24 Mar      15:00     

April 2012
Newcastle v Liverpool      Sun 1 Apr      13:30     
Liverpool v Aston Villa      Sat 7 Apr      15:00     
Blackburn v Liverpool      Mon 9 Apr      15:00     
Liverpool v Fulham      Sat 14 Apr      12:45     
Liverpool v West Brom      Sat 21 Apr      15:00     
Norwich v Liverpool      Sat 28 Apr      15:00     

May 2012
Liverpool v Chelsea      Sat 5 May      15:00     
Swansea v Liverpool      Sun 13 May      15:00
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ShowUsYaNix wrote:

Here's our run-in -

March 2012
Liverpool v Arsenal      Sat 3 Mar      12:45     
Sunderland v Liverpool      Sat 10 Mar      15:00     
QPR v Liverpool      Sat 17 Mar      15:00     
Liverpool v Wigan      Sat 24 Mar      15:00     

April 2012
Newcastle v Liverpool      Sun 1 Apr      13:30     
Liverpool v Aston Villa      Sat 7 Apr      15:00     
Blackburn v Liverpool      Mon 9 Apr      15:00     
Liverpool v Fulham      Sat 14 Apr      12:45     
Liverpool v West Brom      Sat 21 Apr      15:00     
Norwich v Liverpool      Sat 28 Apr      15:00     

May 2012
Liverpool v Chelsea      Sat 5 May      15:00     
Swansea v Liverpool      Sun 13 May      15:00


Exactly. I've had an eye on the run home for a bit. We're in a good a spot being only 4pts off 4th. CFC, AFC, NUFC will all drop points so as long as we stay within that 4pt window we'll be well placed.

Hopefully with a Trophy in the pool room by the end of Feb we can keep our tails up. We need max points from the 'easy' teams though. No more slipping up against the bottom half.

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ShowUsYaNix wrote:
Back to football matters for a moment, has anyone realised we've got a great run in to the end of the season?

We have no more games against the top 3, and play Arsenal and Chelsea at Anfield. The only potentially tough away game we've got left is against Newcastle, but optimistically I don't think that should be too difficult.

 
Take the banter about Newcastle as read.  Also, O'Neill is a very good manager.  Prepare for disappointment in the North-East.
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I love Uruguay. And fair play to Ajax too
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"ferguson, lavate la boca para hablar de Sir Suarez"

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Fergie thinks his Man U are clean as F**k. Ha, get lost whiskey nose.
WBA played at Old Trout and had 3 players booed at every touch of the ball abused with monkey noises and spat on when taking a throw in or corner. Cunningham, Regis and Batson all of none white parentage, at least WBA won the game 4-2.
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result! 3 og's and carroll on the score sheet, terrible pen from suarez! Bring on stoke!
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Oosh! Red's marching on! Little trip to Wembley in a week
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I hope Carroll and Suarez start vs Cardiff. I think (hope) Kenny will have them fired up. Is it on TV?
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