Whats EGs thoughts on Elliott after his last two games now?
Obviously done well. Still don't think he'd be in my first 11 if everyone was healthy. But you can't really drop him now, he's done pretty much everything that's been asked of him.
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I hope they don't go with Vettori, Fulton is really the only option to open instead of Mccullum and seeing as Elliot was able to step into the number 4 spot it could work. Taylor has the quality to bat at 3 and has form with the bat in this series. Hopefully we win the next game, I think the bowlers are going to have to do a hell of a job to keep the runs down to give us a good chance.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I dont think theyll do it. But I think McCullum needs to bat down the order and Vettori has opened for Northern and if my memory serves me right a couple of times for the Black Caps. I agree that Fulton is a much better option.
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Arghhhhhh, how the hell does Fulton get selected? for a big overweight guy he is a total lightweight. He might bully some club cricketers down in Christchurch but as an international one day player he is simply not good enough. What a pathetic shot he just played!!!
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Arghh, arghh and arghh. Bloody tough when none of Fulton, Cummings and Broom are up to international standard. Why on earth did they not drag Franklin across he has more batting nous and ability than those three and he can bowl.
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LOLOLOLOL To quote one of the Aussie commentators....
Arghhhhhh, how the hell does Fulton get selected? for a big overweight guy he is a total lightweight. He might bully some club cricketers down in Christchurch but as an international one day player he is simply not good enough. What a pathetic shot he just played!!!
Ummmm....
Fulton isn't overweight?
He averages 33 in ODI's....
He is also the only NZ player to have a First Class Triple Century, And Averages 44 in first class cricket. He has done a little more than "bully some club cricketers down in Christchurch"
Gangsta!2009-02-10 23:45:22
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3 reasons we didn't win that game last night
1) didn't score enough - with Cummings contribution we may as well have had Patel in the team at least he can hit sixes and bowl.
2) Steve Davies - umpire - two plumb LBW's that he didn't give, one to ponting when he was on very little and one to the new kid from SA......
3) Cummings dropping one of the Hussey's when he was under 50.
Simple fix for the final game, drop Cumming bring back patel, Sydney takes turn.......score more and have only the TV umpires officiating!!!
1) didn't score enough - with Cummings contribution we may as well have had Patel in the team at least he can hit sixes and bowl.
2) Steve Davies - umpire - two plumb LBW's that he didn't give, one to ponting when he was on very little and one to the new kid from SA......
3) Cummings dropping one of the Hussey's when he was under 50.
Simple fix for the final game, drop Cumming bring back patel, Sydney takes turn.......score more and have only the TV umpires officiating!!!
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Arghhhhhh, how the hell does Fulton get selected? for a big overweight guy he is a total lightweight. He might bully some club cricketers down in Christchurch but as an international one day player he is simply not good enough. What a pathetic shot he just played!!!
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Fulton isn't overweight?
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He averages 33 in ODI's....
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He is also the only NZ player to have a First Class Triple Century, And Averages 44 in first class cricket. He has done a little more than "bully some club cricketers down in Christchurch"
Stats, watch the games he's well out of his depth.
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Arghhhhhh, how the hell does Fulton get selected? for a big overweight guy he is a total lightweight. He might bully some club cricketers down in Christchurch but as an international one day player he is simply not good enough. What a pathetic shot he just played!!!
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Fulton isn't overweight?
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He averages 33 in ODI's....
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He is also the only NZ player to have a First Class Triple Century, And Averages 44 in first class cricket. He has done a little more than "bully some club cricketers down in Christchurch"
Stats, watch the games he's well out of his depth.
If we only played guys who are 'in the depth' (does that make sense?), we'd never be able to field a full team in international cricket.
At least Fulton has had some success at the international level, Cumming's always been sh*t.
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Good point, but I'd rather see someone like Daniel Flynn and Franklin (admitedly hes been injured but he has genuine batting talent) perservered with at this level than continue to trot out guys like Fulton, Cummings and Sinclair who you do not expect too much from and they seldom disappoint.
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I hope we don't see Cumming in a black shirt again! Fulton, for now he's holding a spot until Ryder is fit, the rest are ok....although Broom my find his career a bit short if he doesn't score any runs soon.
Best squad IMO:
1) Guptil
2) Ryder
3) Taylor
4) McCullum
5) Broom
6) Elliot
7) Vettori
8) Mills
9) Southee
10) Patel
11) O'Brien
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Jury still out on Broom, but on evidence to date he does not have the range of shots to play against good quality bowling with well set fields.
With a relatively weak top six, playing 5 specialist bowlers is a luxury and we need the allrounders EG mentioned to get a better balance.
With a relatively weak top six, playing 5 specialist bowlers is a luxury and we need the allrounders EG mentioned to get a better balance.
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Arghhhhhh, how the hell does Fulton get selected? for a big overweight guy he is a total lightweight. He might bully some club cricketers down in Christchurch but as an international one day player he is simply not good enough. What a pathetic shot he just played!!!
Ummmm....
Fulton isn't overweight?
He averages 33 in ODI's....
He is also the only NZ player to have a First Class Triple Century, And Averages 44 in first class cricket. He has done a little more than "bully some club cricketers down in Christchurch"
Stats, watch the games he's well out of his depth.
In Cricket Stats tell a lot more than in most other sports and so for me can be used too show the ability of a player. You don't get good Batting or Bowling averages over a period of time unless you can perform....
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Oram? Styris? Franklin?
Franklin can only bowl well if the weather suits him. He needs to get his line and length good so when he doesn't get the right weather he is not smacked everywhere.
That's pretty much true of any NZ bowler, bar Vetorri perhaps, who can bowl well in most conditions.
But Franklin should be in the team as a batting all-rounder, not a bowling one. He has more batting talent than have the 'specialist' batsmen we have over in Australia at the moment.
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Best Team:
1) Guptill
2) Fulton
3) Elliot
4) Styris
5) Taylor
6) Oram
7) McCullum (Although I think he should be floated higher depending on when we have taken the batting powerplay and how many overs left)
8) Franklin
9) Vettori
10) Mills
11) Southee
On a spinners pitch one of Franklin or Southee misses out for Patel.
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No place for Ryder?
You rate Guptill, Fulton and Elliott all ahead of Ryder?
You rate Guptill, Fulton and Elliott all ahead of Ryder?
TBH I think there all about the same. I guess atm I would begrudgingly take Fulton out although I think he is good enough for international cricket simply because Guptill and Elliot have both recently made Big Runs.
Would probably play 3 of those 4 depending on whose in form.
Gangsta!2009-02-11 19:25:42
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Drop Fulton he is in the same category as Sinclair and Papps. Ryder would open. EG you are right about the batting allrounder, but only in ODIs atm. I also think you could add O'Brien and Mills to the list of conditions don't affect them too much as their line and length is pretty good.
Best ODI team:
Guptill
Ryder
Taylar
Styris
Elliot
Broom
Oram
McCullem
Mills
Vettori
O'Brien
Very deep batting line-up with 7 average or better bowlers.
Franklin and Patel would be in the squad aswell.
wellyphoenixfan2009-02-11 23:52:20
Best ODI team:
Guptill
Ryder
Taylar
Styris
Elliot
Broom
Oram
McCullem
Mills
Vettori
O'Brien
Very deep batting line-up with 7 average or better bowlers.
Franklin and Patel would be in the squad aswell.
wellyphoenixfan2009-02-11 23:52:20
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Oram will only ever make 1 in every two or three games, he's becoming a liability, hence the fact I don't have him in my team. I've never enjoyed styris' play, and he too is getting a bit long in the tooth.
McCullum can bat anywhere needed, the idea of having him at 4, was t give him time to score big but still be there at the end, Ryder and Guptil are good enough to get us started.
As for Franklin he can only come in as an allrounder and at the moment his bowling isn't up to scratch. I'd drop O'Brien for Franklin in a heartbeat if Frankies bowling gets better.
McCullum can bat anywhere needed, the idea of having him at 4, was t give him time to score big but still be there at the end, Ryder and Guptil are good enough to get us started.
As for Franklin he can only come in as an allrounder and at the moment his bowling isn't up to scratch. I'd drop O'Brien for Franklin in a heartbeat if Frankies bowling gets better.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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I like the look of Guptil and with more experience he'll develop the ability to work the singles at the top of the order, he has looked a bit block and bash in Australia so far.
From what I have seen of Broom I rate Franklin as a better batsman.
From what I have seen of Broom I rate Franklin as a better batsman.
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