Central League

Consultation is terrific. Provided you get the answers you want

There are plenty of players in the CL getting paid to play, whether its a fee or on a per point basis.  It seems convenient to ignore them and only focus on the Nix players.

Except it never really has been an even playing field behind the scenes. The rules may be the same for everyone but we all know some clubs are better (often who/what you know) at sucking the pokie money out of certain pub charities. We also know that that money is quite commonly spent on "coaching" or "expenses" for guys who will conveniently play for the first team on the weekend. Other clubs really struggle in this regard. Sure, some will say hard luck, get better at it etc etc but it's a blatant bending of the rules as they are written not much dissimilar to Wellington United/Nix getting this young guy(s) playing time in winter by returning him to ametuer status (again game time is the objective while winning games might be a bi-product). To me, how any club (or affiliated person) who so regularly bends one rule can be so unhappy with another club bending another rule and can conveniently forget about their own back yard and be up and arms about this, is quite hypocritical in my opinion. 

so it's ok to bend the rules, as long as you're using pokie money (which takes money from people who can't afford it) to do it, but not if you're using money from a consortium of millionaires (who can clearly afford to do it)? 

That is an ethically interesting stance you take. 

That is also assuming WU/nix are bending the rules. 

My 2 cents (I know not a lot about this matter)... Nix players stay contracted to the Nix and get spread amongst central league teams in some form of draft system. Sounds fun to me. Also acts as a way to give the weaker (financially) teams a stronger position in the league. Problems arising from promotion/relegation but one problem at a time eh.

Boom :D

I think a few need to read FIFA rule 2.2 re am and pro status

its not the issue of paying money to a player it's how much that payment is.

you have and always will be able to pay players in football….

it's not the good old Rugby days of gentle men play for the love of it.

someone pays and the game goes on.

Isn't the main issue that there has to be clear distinction between amateur and professional football for FIFA classification/College Scholarships etc etc.  Plus there is a stand down between Pro and Amateur that needs to be observed but probably isn't?

Is there an employment lawyer in the house? Is this roughly correct?

Pro footballers are contractors, but in effect, employees as they are not free to work elsewhere and their employer dictates their working conditions etc. Their contracts, insurance and other things are covered under the Professional Footballer Association. By the way, I would expect the PFA to have a viewpoint on a young pro's 3 year contract being terminated after 12 months (If that is what has happened. I realise this is speculation, but in the light of no other information, that is what you get).

Amateur footballers (who can be paid petrol/boot/coaching/rent money) however are not covered by PFA and generally free to earn money anywhere/anyway they can - generally achievable as an amateur club is only demanding their presence in a part time capacity.

Last game for 'Nix was 10 April. The stand down is 30 days? Seems about right.

The stand down would only have been from the last time he played?!?  Hence Gulley could play as soon as the Nix season was over.  McGarry could have played sooner, but then we don't know about commitments/injuries that could have delayed that

those Nix players waited the 30 days

Here we go, Dom Post got whiff of the story and comments from Capital Football

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/798...

As per previous comment, I wonder if the PFA has anything to say on a young pro on a 3 year deal being released after less than 12 months. And what's the story with Rogerson? Same deal or chose the money and training?

it's a shame it has to come down to terminating young guys pro contracts just so they can get game time. Surely there has to be a better solution than not allowing the nix to sign NZ youngsters to multi-year deals? 

I don't think we should be so naive to think that James is not getting paid. Yes they may have terminated his contract. But 2 things guaranteed.

He will be getting paid his salary..how and to whom not sure. 

If I am a scout for Melbourne City watching James play in the CL and want to sign him. The Phoenix will have something in place so this cannot happen.

a lot of interesting assumptions and accusations there. But ok. 

I'm sure they have a gentlemens agreement that the Nix will resign him but there is nothing stopping that being broken and McGarry going off somewhere for bigger pay and nothing Nix would be able to do about it without a contract. A promise wouldn't hold up in court

Again hope there would be a gentlemens agreement here with the Nix that they would honour but yes it's another risk

he probably figures he puts his career at risk anyway by not playing. It would have been a mutual decision. 

Be interesting if he (God forbid) breaks his leg like Alex Rufer, putting him out for the next season, if the Phoenix would sign him on again. It'd be a bit rough if they didn't being as he had a 3 year contract. 

An interesting situation that you probably have to assume has somehow been covered.

says the guy who makes more than anyone

Pretty much as has been covered in this thread.  Contract terminated, will get one at end of CL season. Oli Sail is in the same boat

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/79812550/wellington-phoenix-terminate-james-mcgarrys-contract-so-he-can-play-in-cl

interesting there is no Phoenix comments in the article

I take it mcgary and co, are now flipping burgers at mcdonalds so they can pay the rent

I suppose when a contract is terminated you can still payout the player a portion of their salary, so could have more then enough to carry them through to beginning of the next HAL season.

Sail and McGarry in the phoenix side to play in Hong Kong lol

can of worms anyone?

wouldn't say that. That boat has sailed. Just an interesting contractual relationship. 

Thoughts on this week..

Petone vs Wests - Wests

Rapa vs PNMarist - Draw

Olympic VS Mar -  Draw

Lower Hutt vs Stop out - Stop out

NCR vs Wee nix - NCR