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I'm from Auckland. I like the fact there is the occasional game in Auckland as it is very rare I can get to Wellington for a match (years actually). However if there are only going to be 2 home games this year I think Wellington deserves them both, even if a one off at Eden Park might get a better crowd.

It's important the team keeps a Wellington identity and after playing in red in Wollongong, now is surely the time to remind the Wellington fans it is their team. It is Wellington based fans that are most important to the long term sustainability of the club and as soon as its marketed as the 'NZ Phoenix' surely lots of Wellington locals will not care as much.

Wellington based fans have been great passionate supporters for over a decade, and as much as I'd like a game in Auckland to attend that passion deserves some pay back and loyalty from the club in return. 
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Isn't the whole problem that we used to have with "metrics" precisely because Wellington fans wouldn't turn up?

This whole thread is anecdotal evidence that people bring up to support their prejudices, me included. There's a fellow who reckons that Auckland people don't turn up to things when it's raining. Conversely, I'll never forget when I was visiting Wellington and I asked a local if he wanted to come to a Nix game with me (I think this would be 2013/4). He looked at me like I was crazy and said "Why would I do that? Don't they suck?"
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Isn't the whole problem that we used to have with "metrics" precisely because Wellington fans wouldn't turn up?

This whole thread is anecdotal evidence that people bring up to support their prejudices, me included. There's a fellow who reckons that Auckland people don't turn up to things when it's raining. Conversely, I'll never forget when I was visiting Wellington and I asked a local if he wanted to come to a Nix game with me (I think this would be 2013/4). He looked at me like I was crazy and said "Why would I do that? Don't they suck?"

the metrics wasnt a thing about locals not showing up, they were numbers created by an organisation trying their best to kick us out of the league. They had nothing to do with actual attendances or growing the game.
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Doloras

Isn't the whole problem that we used to have with "metrics" precisely because Wellington fans wouldn't turn up?

This whole thread is anecdotal evidence that people bring up to support their prejudices, me included. There's a fellow who reckons that Auckland people don't turn up to things when it's raining. Conversely, I'll never forget when I was visiting Wellington and I asked a local if he wanted to come to a Nix game with me (I think this would be 2013/4). He looked at me like I was crazy and said "Why would I do that? Don't they suck?"


Except we do, for a city the size of Wellington our metrics were amongst the top of the competition. The Phoenix are the biggest tenet at Westpac and get more players through the gates over a season than any other team.

The problem is that the FFA were pushing for absolute numbers not relative numbers, which was always an impossible task.
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We shouldn't gild the lilly too much - Wellington's support for the club has been notably eroding away, at least as far as attendances go, for a few years now. And this includes some pretty successful seasons, especially for the Phoenix.
The reality is if the club was supported well enough here the owners wouldn't be in the situation of looking to play games in Auckland to help the cashflow. Yes, there are passionate fans in Wellington who live and breathe the club, but that core of support has shrunk and has plateaued. On it's own it's simply not enough, and if the wider Wellington region doesn't renew it's support of the club through bums on seats, something will have to give.
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I disagree with the notion of who owes whom more. The club and the fans are in it together, and I am happy to cut the owners plenty of slack for continuing to keep the club going, with our support.
I think football leagues are a bit different than other codes (basketball etc) due to the additional considerations of serious international competitions for national teams (World Cup qualifying games etc).  The moment you decide to name Wellington Phoenix "the New Zealand Phoenix" you would really send the wrong message I think, even if we have plenty of Australian players. Plus, we'd give the trolls from across the Tasman new fodder for their jingoistic complaints.  
If we want to continue to play at the highest club level available to us, the A-League is our best venue for that, and none of the other franchises has anything else than a city (or region, viz CCM) in their name.  As such there are few reasons to call ourselves NZP, regardless of what city we play in on occasions.  Other A-League clubs are no different by taking their games to Tasmania, or to Ballarat. Everyone knows it is to stimulate the following.  So I think it is the same issue with Auckland for us, and the club owners will plan for the games there as per any commercial agreements they would have made beforehand.
Finally, it is easier to fly from Welly to Auckland for a "home" game right now than across the ditch, and it is damn less risky too. 

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I disagree with the notion of who owes whom more. The club and the fans are in it together, and I am happy to cut the owners plenty of slack for continuing to keep the club going, with our support.
I think football leagues are a bit different than other codes (basketball etc) due to the additional considerations of serious international competitions for national teams (World Cup qualifying games etc).  The moment you decide to name Wellington Phoenix "the New Zealand Phoenix" you would really send the wrong message I think, even if we have plenty of Australian players. Plus, we'd give the trolls from across the Tasman new fodder for their jingoistic complaints.  
If we want to continue to play at the highest club level available to us, the A-League is our best venue for that, and none of the other franchises has anything else than a city (or region, viz CCM) in their name.  As such there are few reasons to call ourselves NZP, regardless of what city we play in on occasions.  Other A-League clubs are no different by taking their games to Tasmania, or to Ballarat. Everyone knows it is to stimulate the following.  So I think it is the same issue with Auckland for us, and the club owners will plan for the games there as per any commercial agreements they would have made beforehand.
Finally, it is easier to fly from Welly to Auckland for a "home" game right now than across the ditch, and it is damn less risky too. 

Basketball doesn't have serious international competitions?
I think you need to re-think that one.
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I mean, there's still a very distinct possibility that there'll be no games in NZ this season. Maybe we wait for that confirmation first before going full cannibal on the Wellington  v Auckland debate?
Nice try :)
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Yet again the Auckland debate. Let's be honest on two counts. 

1] Why did the two previous efforts of Auckland clubs in the Australian competition fail? Because the the teams failed to deliver and the fans up there were near invisible with crowds of 1,500 or less. Hat off and respect to those whom made the effort to show, but in a city of so many registered players, why were attendances so very poor. You had your two chances and you blew them.

2] On my trips up there and killing time, I used to listen to the sports talk on the radio and when asked if they were going to the Nix game, I could not believe how many said that it would rely on the weather conditions as to whether they'd go or not. Yes, you have had a couple of games with 19k there, but you also have had games with a lot less. Even two games in one season with crowds nearing 6k.

Now considering Wellingtonians and the surround areas are the ones who mainly buy the season tickets, it really should be them seeing the team in Wellington. Sure the money raised from Season Tickets might not be that much but the public in Wellington are the ones whom put their money in their mouths and bought them. Not for a one or two off but for every game regardless of where the circus was getting taken, they still paid.

Club needs money, Auckland have money and people, Despite the past an Auckland base A-League club now would be fine and Wellington wont have to keep leeching of Auckland for one of games as there would be a derby.
But then again if there was a derby Wellington wouldn't get money.
I'd rather see the club not fold and have the games in Auckland then them to play in Wellington and bleed more money and perhaps have to get bailed out next season. 


Assuming Aucklanders actually do show up in numbers (Yes, even I hope they do but...) and if they don't??
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Yet again the Auckland debate. Let's be honest on two counts. 

1] Why did the two previous efforts of Auckland clubs in the Australian competition fail? Because the the teams failed to deliver and the fans up there were near invisible with crowds of 1,500 or less. Hat off and respect to those whom made the effort to show, but in a city of so many registered players, why were attendances so very poor. You had your two chances and you blew them.

2] On my trips up there and killing time, I used to listen to the sports talk on the radio and when asked if they were going to the Nix game, I could not believe how many said that it would rely on the weather conditions as to whether they'd go or not. Yes, you have had a couple of games with 19k there, but you also have had games with a lot less. Even two games in one season with crowds nearing 6k.

Now considering Wellingtonians and the surround areas are the ones who mainly buy the season tickets, it really should be them seeing the team in Wellington. Sure the money raised from Season Tickets might not be that much but the public in Wellington are the ones whom put their money in their mouths and bought them. Not for a one or two off but for every game regardless of where the circus was getting taken, they still paid.

Club needs money, Auckland have money and people, Despite the past an Auckland base A-League club now would be fine and Wellington wont have to keep leeching of Auckland for one of games as there would be a derby.
But then again if there was a derby Wellington wouldn't get money.
I'd rather see the club not fold and have the games in Auckland then them to play in Wellington and bleed more money and perhaps have to get bailed out next season. 


Assuming Aucklanders actually do show up in numbers (Yes, even I hope they do but...) and if they don't??

If the game is at Eden Park, the crowd will at least match and highly likely be greater than would attend the 2nd of 2 back to back winter night games at the ROF.

It's pointless referring back to small crowds in the Albany boondocks. Proven to be dumb taking games there. Eden Park, central to Auckland and with good public transport is completely different - as has been proven with good (even excellent) crowd sizes for Nix games there, the last few years. That's what the Welnix bean counters will be banking on anyway, open TT bubble permitting.
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To be honest i think people are still paranoid about being out in big numbers, catching buses and trains with a lot of people in them or even a few. I can only speak from where i am Western Sydney - people are still waring mask even though its been quite safe with no out breaks. I don't know how relaxed the Auckland public are compared to us or Wellingtonians for that matter so truth be told it could possibly cost the club heaps if fk all show up.
Does anyone know what the crowds were like with Rugby lately(Games in
Auckland)>?  
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Tbf to the Albanian boondocks, the smallest-attended Nix game I've been to in the 09 was the one at Mt Smart, although there was a Fijian-run pub nearby who were very happy to talk to us about Roy Krishna

But Eden Park games have always been good
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I disagree with the notion of who owes whom more. The club and the fans are in it together, and I am happy to cut the owners plenty of slack for continuing to keep the club going, with our support.
I think football leagues are a bit different than other codes (basketball etc) due to the additional considerations of serious international competitions for national teams (World Cup qualifying games etc).  The moment you decide to name Wellington Phoenix "the New Zealand Phoenix" you would really send the wrong message I think, even if we have plenty of Australian players. Plus, we'd give the trolls from across the Tasman new fodder for their jingoistic complaints.  
If we want to continue to play at the highest club level available to us, the A-League is our best venue for that, and none of the other franchises has anything else than a city (or region, viz CCM) in their name.  As such there are few reasons to call ourselves NZP, regardless of what city we play in on occasions.  Other A-League clubs are no different by taking their games to Tasmania, or to Ballarat. Everyone knows it is to stimulate the following.  So I think it is the same issue with Auckland for us, and the club owners will plan for the games there as per any commercial agreements they would have made beforehand.
Finally, it is easier to fly from Welly to Auckland for a "home" game right now than across the ditch, and it is damn less risky too. 

Basketball doesn't have serious international competitions?
I think you need to re-think that one.
Yes you are of course correct. But I do not hear any Australian complaints about having a NZ team in the Australian NBL. 
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To be honest i think people are still paranoid about being out in big numbers, catching buses and trains with a lot of people in them or even a few. I can only speak from where i am Western Sydney - people are still waring mask even though its been quite safe with no out breaks. I don't know how relaxed the Auckland public are compared to us or Wellingtonians for that matter so truth be told it could possibly cost the club heaps if fk all show up.
Does anyone know what the crowds were like with Rugby lately(Games in
Auckland)>?  

For some people it may be Covid fears, but I think many people simply get out of the habit of going to concerts, sports events, eating out, etc when they have had a break from it for a while. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think crowds will be as big as hoped when the Phoenix return to NZ, regardless of if games are in Auckland or Wellington.

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I disagree with the notion of who owes whom more. The club and the fans are in it together, and I am happy to cut the owners plenty of slack for continuing to keep the club going, with our support.
I think football leagues are a bit different than other codes (basketball etc) due to the additional considerations of serious international competitions for national teams (World Cup qualifying games etc).  The moment you decide to name Wellington Phoenix "the New Zealand Phoenix" you would really send the wrong message I think, even if we have plenty of Australian players. Plus, we'd give the trolls from across the Tasman new fodder for their jingoistic complaints.  
If we want to continue to play at the highest club level available to us, the A-League is our best venue for that, and none of the other franchises has anything else than a city (or region, viz CCM) in their name.  As such there are few reasons to call ourselves NZP, regardless of what city we play in on occasions.  Other A-League clubs are no different by taking their games to Tasmania, or to Ballarat. Everyone knows it is to stimulate the following.  So I think it is the same issue with Auckland for us, and the club owners will plan for the games there as per any commercial agreements they would have made beforehand.
Finally, it is easier to fly from Welly to Auckland for a "home" game right now than across the ditch, and it is damn less risky too. 

Basketball doesn't have serious international competitions?
I think you need to re-think that one.
Yes you are of course correct. But I do not hear any Australian complaints about having a NZ team in the Australian NBL. 

I think you're assuming we care a lot about the NBL, which a lot of us don't. Besides, Singapore was in the league for like a season or two so a NZ team isn't the worst scenario that Aussies have seen.
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Surely this means the financial model is wrong? I’m not blaming the club here but on population alone, there is very little scope for big crowds at most club locations. If it’s true that Wellington is getting relatively good numbers on a population base compared to other clubs, then the bottom line to break even needs to be adjusted league-wide. You can’t expect clubs to play in other locations and attract fans to games from the other end of the country - just to remain sustainable. Does anyone know if the new league management have come up with a plan to address this?
el grapadura
We shouldn't gild the lilly too much - Wellington's support for the club has been notably eroding away, at least as far as attendances go, for a few years now. And this includes some pretty successful seasons, especially for the Phoenix.
The reality is if the club was supported well enough here the owners wouldn't be in the situation of looking to play games in Auckland to help the cashflow. Yes, there are passionate fans in Wellington who live and breathe the club, but that core of support has shrunk and has plateaued. On it's own it's simply not enough, and if the wider Wellington region doesn't renew it's support of the club through bums on seats, something will have to give.
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NLWG (the clubs) have a number of ideas to try increase overall revenue in the A League. Was one of their main gripes with FFA that they weren't running the League well, and maximising it's income potential. Plus FFA siphoning off a large chunk of the Fox Sports TV rights deal, to spend on Socceroos and other national teams.

But Nix taking 2 games to Auckland over say a normal 12-14 game home season, isn't really a big deal. Be interesting to see what a pure winter A League in 2022 (if it happens) does to average attendance at the ROF. You would expect a further drop off in crowds unfortunately.
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Surely this means the financial model is wrong? I’m not blaming the club here but on population alone, there is very little scope for big crowds at most club locations. If it’s true that Wellington is getting relatively good numbers on a population base compared to other clubs, then the bottom line to break even needs to be adjusted league-wide. You can’t expect clubs to play in other locations and attract fans to games from the other end of the country - just to remain sustainable. Does anyone know if the new league management have come up with a plan to address this?
el grapadura
We shouldn't gild the lilly too much - Wellington's support for the club has been notably eroding away, at least as far as attendances go, for a few years now. And this includes some pretty successful seasons, especially for the Phoenix.
The reality is if the club was supported well enough here the owners wouldn't be in the situation of looking to play games in Auckland to help the cashflow. Yes, there are passionate fans in Wellington who live and breathe the club, but that core of support has shrunk and has plateaued. On it's own it's simply not enough, and if the wider Wellington region doesn't renew it's support of the club through bums on seats, something will have to give.

the break even thing for the nix was more about the cost of Sky stadium operations, wasnt it? Dome said that 10,000 was the min number of fans to attend for the club to cover the cost of running a game. There is nothing the league can do to change that, it comes down to whatever agreement there is between venue and club. It's why Auckland and other venues become more financially profitable for the club because councils were paying part of the cost of opening and running the likes of Eden Park and other stadia.
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NLWG (the clubs) have a number of ideas to try increase overall revenue in the A League. Was one of their main gripes with FFA that they weren't running the League well, and maximising it's income potential. Plus FFA siphoning off a large chunk of the Fox Sports TV rights deal, to spend on Socceroos and other national teams.

But Nix taking 2 games to Auckland over say a normal 12-14 game home season, isn't really a big deal. Be interesting to see what a pure winter A League in 2022 (if it happens) does to average attendance at the ROF. You would expect a further drop off in crowds unfortunately.
A timely reminder that there is a lot more to worry about than who gets to host the possible two games on offer. A winter league would be a disaster for the Nix in my opinion and probably the A League in general too.
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I'm not convinced that the switch to winter will actually happen. The clubs detest the idea and I doubt that Fox, assuming they remain the broadcasting partner beyond this season, would be keen too.
It was very much the FFA brainchild in an attempt to streamline the A-league season with state leagues and the 'grassroots', but I can't see it happening now that the ownership structure of the league has changed. 
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Yipe it is far from being locked in. Lots of pros and cons to be debated. A Nov-Dec World Cup for 2022 included.
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I've enjoyed the summer league. 
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I've enjoyed the summer league. 

Very much this. Sod going to a winter league. 
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martinb
I've enjoyed the summer league. 

Very much this. Sod going to a winter league. 

Also you will have the issue of people supporting their local national league clubs and/or playing then thinking can I really be bothered going afterwards, it wouldn’t work like European football where social games are all Sundays to accommodate for that
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Hope they play all games in Wellington.
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Glory not keen to travel to NZ and give NZ a 2nd home game (May 30th). To Rudan's credit he's acknowledging Nix & their fans, deserve to host WU 22nd May.

With Nix also scheduled to play WSW in Sydney May 26th, that 2nd NZ home game possibility, does look unlikely.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/124931412/wellington-phoenix-face-resistance-from-perth-glory-in-bid-to-play-in-new-zealand

The Food Show is scheduled to take place at Sky Stadium from May 28 to 30, so if the Perth game was to be played in New Zealand on May 30, it would likely have to be hosted at Eden Park in Auckland.
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Glory not keen to travel to NZ and give NZ a 2nd home game (May 30th). To Rudan's credit he's acknowledging Nix & their fans, deserve to host WU 22nd May.

With Nix also scheduled to play WSW in Sydney May 26th, that 2nd NZ home game possibility, does look unlikely.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/124931412/wellington-phoenix-face-resistance-from-perth-glory-in-bid-to-play-in-new-zealand

The Food Show is scheduled to take place at Sky Stadium from May 28 to 30, so if the Perth game was to be played in New Zealand on May 30, it would likely have to be hosted at Eden Park in Auckland.

So Glory are defaulting then? Are we allowed to not want to go to Perth for 12am NZ kick offs?
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coochiee
Glory not keen to travel to NZ and give NZ a 2nd home game (May 30th). To Rudan's credit he's acknowledging Nix & their fans, deserve to host WU 22nd May.

With Nix also scheduled to play WSW in Sydney May 26th, that 2nd NZ home game possibility, does look unlikely.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/124931412/wellington-phoenix-face-resistance-from-perth-glory-in-bid-to-play-in-new-zealand

The Food Show is scheduled to take place at Sky Stadium from May 28 to 30, so if the Perth game was to be played in New Zealand on May 30, it would likely have to be hosted at Eden Park in Auckland.

So Glory are defaulting then? Are we allowed to not want to go to Perth for 12am NZ kick offs?

I can understand Perth's reasoning if they were worried an outbreak while in NZ would lead to their players being in another lockdown for 14 days, but I can't see how it's any more risky than interstate games in AU? Any risks they have about that, the Phoenix also have returning to AU.

It sounds more like they think it's bad for their season if they have to do a long trip when playing too many games in short succession. Phoenix have played (including the game to be played on Sunday) 3 games in 7 days at least twice that I can remember already this year, including this week which will be NSW to Perth to Tasmania to NSW, so I don't have much sympathy.
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Sorry, but absolutely no sympathy for Perth here. Get to Wellington or forfeit the points. You can't expect us to play 24 of 26 games in Australia and then get a bit pissy if you have to cross the Tasman for the first time since October 2019.

Also this may be out of our hands with WA going back into a mini lockdown. But if they're not in lockdown and the travel bubble is still functional by the time the game rolls around - Sorry Glory boys, but get on a plane and suck it the fuuuuck up.
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Sorry, but absolutely no sympathy for Perth here. Get to Wellington or forfeit the points. You can't expect us to play 24 of 26 games in Australia and then get a bit pissy if you have to cross the Tasman for the first time since October 2019.

Also this may be out of our hands with WA going back into a mini lockdown. But if they're not in lockdown and the travel bubble is still functional by the time the game rolls around - Sorry Glory boys, but get on a plane and suck it the fuuuuck up.

Glory have a run of 7 home games but they are Fri/Wed/Sun/Wed/Sun/Wed/Sun. The Roar game probably gets rescheduled after that last Sunday game & before the Nix one. Its a tough ask to expect them to travel internationally as well.
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YoungHeart
Sorry, but absolutely no sympathy for Perth here. Get to Wellington or forfeit the points. You can't expect us to play 24 of 26 games in Australia and then get a bit pissy if you have to cross the Tasman for the first time since October 2019.

Also this may be out of our hands with WA going back into a mini lockdown. But if they're not in lockdown and the travel bubble is still functional by the time the game rolls around - Sorry Glory boys, but get on a plane and suck it the fuuuuck up.

Glory have a run of 7 home games but they are Fri/Wed/Sun/Wed/Sun/Wed/Sun. The Roar game probably gets rescheduled after that last Sunday game & before the Nix one. Its a tough ask to expect them to travel internationally as well.

Brisbane Roar play on the Tuesday that week (May 25) v Melbourne City, so unless that match can be moved up, the final midweek of the season (the week starting May 31) would be the only option (they can't do midweek next week as the Roar are away to the Central Coast Mariners on Wednesday (April 28)).
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/124941941/phoenix-coach-hits-back-after-glory-show-resistance-to-possible-new-zealand-game

The Food Show is scheduled to take place at Sky Stadium from May 28-30, so if the Perth game was to be played in New Zealand that weekend, it would likely have to be staged at Eden Park in Auckland.

“It’s in progress that we can change that Western Sydney midweek game [on May 26] to an earlier date to make it work, so once we do come back to New Zealand we can be there for the whole time and get out to the community again and have a possibility to play in Wellington and the second game in Auckland.”

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Disapointing from Pignata, you'd think he'd show some loyalty to his former club and a fan base who he was close to. 
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I see some families joined the team this past weekend. That explains the lacklustre performance in the second half.
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I see some families joined the team this past weekend. That explains the lacklustre performance in the second half.
You mean the second half where they scored a 97th minute winner?
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I see some families joined the team this past weekend. That explains the lacklustre performance in the second half.
You mean the second half where they scored a 97th minute winner?
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Sooooo... how about a belated 12 Pubs on the 22nd of May?
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To be honest i think people are still paranoid about being out in big numbers, catching buses and trains with a lot of people in them or even a few. I can only speak from where i am Western Sydney - people are still waring mask even though its been quite safe with no out breaks. I don't know how relaxed the Auckland public are compared to us or Wellingtonians for that matter so truth be told it could possibly cost the club heaps if fk all show up.
Does anyone know what the crowds were like with Rugby lately(Games in
Auckland)>?  

As some one who's been on the front line of this Pandemic in Europe from day dot it makes me laugh that people in Aus and NZ are scared of public transport for a disease less common then any other affliction suffered in the Antipodes.  More chance of being in a plane crash flying to the game then getting SARS CoV-02.

I fully understand the thinking in Europe and especially India at this point in time but Australasia, c'mon!

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