Alex Jones

Wasn't Andy Martin suppose to solve this sort of crap. it seems like its got worse!!

Coz they're amateurs masquerading as professionals.

the last day of the window wasn't even a public holiday, it was apparently Tuesday.

Because they are idiots?

He's probably going to be really confused when no bailout money arrives in the NZF coffers.

I'm so annoyed, was thouroughly looking forard to watching him play for us.  And surely it wont help us get other talent in the future.

Maybe it's a cunning plan. The FFA has been getting heaps of stick for its incompetence so it introduced a new metric for the Nix: be part of colossal NZF fudgeups. That way the FFA looks like a more competent entity to its stakeholders in Aussie football. Thanks to the existence of the Nix now the FFA isn't responsible for the biggest ballsup by a national football organisation in relation to the A League this season.

#metrics #10moreyears

Alex is pretty pragmatic about it on twitter: basically he can't comment, everything happens for a reason, go the nix.

Purely based on the head he seems to have on his shoulders he would have been an asset to the club. I'd be having a rant that if my name was Kanye West or Courtney Love would have me on the front page of stuff.

Haven't you heard? It's NZF's new Low Performance Strategy kicking in.

Daniel Farrow from NZ Football interview:

http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2016....

• The person in charge of transfers left NZF on Friday for a new job.
• The person who was placed in charge of transfers was away on holiday and didn't have internet access. They were aware of the window but it was unexpected for NZF that a transfer was coming.
• Office staff picked it up when they got in on Tuesday but couldn't work the system.
• They tried to do it manually but after the deadline passed (read Wednesday).

So seems like NZF didn't train staff on how to use the system / didn't do a proper hand over and they lacked the ability to actually use the FIFA website.

If they started the manual process (which I'd imagine is sending an email to FIFA?) before the deadline passed rather than the next day then I'm sure it would have all been okay.

Has Andy Martin done anything good? I'm stuggling to think of one thing.

WeeNix

I was always pretty luke warm on this deal so not that fazed about not getting him in, but pretty hard on the guy career wise.  NZF are a complete shower

This goes beyond a joke the board at NZ Football and Martin have to go for this but I do think the Phoenix should of kept an eye on this so close to the deadline what was Dome doing knowing a holiday fell in this period.

Didn't mean to this your post. I wish I could un this.

Pretty clear now that nothing the Phoenix could have done would have rectified the situation, those laying blame at the feet of the nix are deluded.

We don't know if the Phoenix were pushing NZF or not, NZF wouldn't comment on that but NZF tried and couldn't process the transfer. They also said "What I can say is that we've been in constant dialogue with the Phoenix through this entire process and will continue to be in dialogue wth them to put some protections in place to ensure it doesn't happen again in the future." entire process probably means from start to finish including the transfer request. 

But if NZF couldn't get hold of the staff member who knew how to use the system I don't know how you can expect the Phoenix to be able to.

They probably sent the information through the day that it was sorted with Birmingham, regardless of a holiday. They couldn't do it any earlier because they were likely still negotiating. They were probably on the phone, but if they were not NZF still had the transfer, knew the deadline, but foolishly let the seemingly only two people in the organisation who knew how to use the system leave three days before the transfer window closed and take a long weekend respectively.

Sounds like the Phoenix are not at fault at all out of this.

100% NZF.

Is that right?

What's the difference between FFA and NZF?..Nothing...there both pathetic!!!

I wouldn't say 100%. Phoenix could (maybe they did/) follow up with a call. But they haven't needed to in the past, and really should have to. I'm going 95/5 at this stage

do i have to delete his signature from the shirt he signed at the stadium before the perth game.

Except the Phoenix have no control and no matter how many calls and emails would have gotten the application entered into on the sytem. Pure NZF Fudge up and more than one head needs to role. 

If I had not suggested the "200+1 a Durante Odessey" Banner for our next home game, I would have suggested "NZF who are ya?"

Given the explanation its pretty obvious where the majority of the blame lies.But to suggest the Phoenix are completely blameless is sorry being more than a bit naive. If the Phoenix did contact NZF on the Tuesday then i stand corrected. However if they failed to follow up on Tuesday as many times as was needed to be sure it had gone through.

The circus keeps rolling on, unbelievable.

Andy Martin can fudge right off.

However, if no one at NZF knew what they were doing, it makes no difference whether the Nix rang, emailed or even visited. the transfer still would not have gone through. Quite simple really. Dome could have held a gun at the guys head and it still would not have been done.

So someone leaves on a Friday and you let the guy who is replacing him in a key function have the day off the next week on deadline day?

Unfudgeabley believable

On your bike Andrew

I'd imagine that they did, but NZF were incapable of doing anything so no matter what the Phoenix did it wouldn't have helped anything.

NZF said that the Phoenix have been in contact throughout. 

If you want to give the Phoenix 0.5% of blame then the only thing they perhaps could have done was give NZF a headsup that they were negotiating with someone and may or may not send a transfer through three days before the transfer window closed, you know, in case they NZD that everyone who knew how to do a transfer would be allowed to be out of the office for the last few days of the window.But I'm sure if the Phoenix told NZF everytime they were negotiating with people NZF would be pissed off as well. They gave them three days to do it, in europe they are processing transfers right up until midnight.

Sorry disagree LG if it wasn't happening  after a couple of calls bloody great big alarm bells should have been set off. As said yep NZF are at fault but  not sure i understand why the Phoenix would be so trusting that the shambles that is NZF would get it right.

I just heard a sound bite on ZB News/Sport where they ran a short snippet of some guy at NZF giving an explanation for why things didn't happen. He was just allowed to make this bland statement that screamed out for another question along the lines of "exactly what internet malfunction?"  I know how news soundbites work and they don't always run the juiciest responses given....but fudge......That Jones' transfer didn't come through is just reporting, the real story is why? I really hope the likes of Piney [and I'm sure he will if given access] will ask the hard questions.

I have probably come across as a bit of an apologist for NZF, probably because i have intimate knowledge of how local/national/international sports organisations work - but NZF have to sort this shark out and quickly. The organisation at national administrative level is in the toilet. Too many elementary errors even after the fall guys have been given the boot. It needs a clean out and a huge change in culture. Its not good enough, when people's livelihoods are being affected that they keep making these fudge ups. If there are no consequences for fudgeing up, there is no incentive to do better next time.

How do you know that the Phoenix weren't on the phone every hour on Tuesday? What possibly could they do if no one at NZF could run the system.

2ndBest posted on Twitter a link to an article which says that it takes ten minutes to process a transfer from start to finish. That is with all FA and clubs working together. In this case everyone did their job and NZD just needed to do their part.

I'm not entirely sure where your going with this Ballane.  The following is a quote from NZF competitions manager Daniel Farrow from the Stuff article:

"Staff acted immediately after the Auckland Anniversary Weekend on the Tuesday [February 2] to process the transfer in the online system but couldn't complete the final step in the process so sought assistance to rectify the issue."

The Nix phoning them on Tuesday wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference.  Sure perhaps Gareth or Rob could have dispatched a private jet to find the guy who knew how the system worked - besides that I'm not sure what they could have done.

Anyway - got to feel sorry for Alex.  Hope it doesn't affect his career and he can get back to some regular game time for the U21's soon and then higher grades next year.

Domey said on the Football Show on Australian radio that they are asking Alex to hang around for a bit, they still seem to want to sign him.

Here today gone 2moro....well maybe not.  Would be big call on an import slot.

If this is correct then the Nix had not forewarned NZF a transfer was coming.  That may have helped if that had alerted NZF to make sure their remaining staff were up to speed. 

95/5, 90/10, 80/20, 70/30, who the heck cares what proportion of blame is involved between the parties.  All I want to hear is that when we are planning an overseas transfer we alert NZF one is coming.  It seems unbelievable we'd not.  They don't happen every day.

Over it though.  We look like bozos, NZF look like bozos and a decent UK kid is going home.  That's my club and my NZF.  Pointing fingers doesn't change that we are all looking like bozos.

I don't understand this Nix blaming at all.  3 days is ample time for even the most corrupt of FA's to do dealings and press the go button on a transfer.  English FA, FFA, Birmingham and the Nix all managed it, but NZF couldn't.  When they arrive at work at 9am on Tuesday morning and their window closes at 11am, with no-one in the office who can figure out a piece of software and/or a website, no amount of contact from the Nix will see this resolved.

NZF may be incompetent, but its not the Nix responsibility to ensure they do their job.  NZF have said the Nix have been in contact during the whole saga, so the not contacting on Tuesday argument is moot.  NZF is 100% to blame in this situation.  

Who is the transfer guy? I don't understand why the transfer guy would be allowed to go on holiday, without internet access when the window is about to close.

I don't get what you are saying. How would making a phone call help? NZF knew what they had to do but were just too incompetent to do it. NZF knew when the deadline was and they knew they had to process the request. How would sending a remind help the situation?

Phoenix get 0% of the blame from me.

I'm sure Pak and Save vegetable department would have waited a couple of extra days before expecting him to start work if they'd know about this?

Don't be a Twit.  This was an international transfer from NZ's only professional club that they expected to put through over anniversary weekend.  If you think it is dumb to give a heads up to NZF on this then I think that your thinking is just dumb as well.