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Let's not forget Paul Temple is still more qualified than Ryan Nelsen ergo he should skip A-League and MLS altogether and go straight to EPL.

Touche

what happended to Aaron McFarland guy?

austin10 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Replaced with who?

I've still yet to see one person name a viable alternative, particularly from anyone who has advocated Ricki should be replaced.

Exactly.... It is bloody easy to mouth off and scream , but there is no one within a hundred miles of him on the local scene and little in the way of other viable and realistic alternatives. 

With the greatest respect I very much doubt that there is NO viable alternative to Ricki. A full time gig as an A-League head coach would be a highly desirable position for loads of ambitious coaches.  I would image there would be ex head A-League coaches who might have a go at it. In addition there are probably quite a few experianced assistant A-League coaches and guys with experiance at age grade levels who might foot the bill.The unknown variable is how much they would want to pay. But the bottom line is until you advertise you do not know what is out there.

If you use the logic that there are no viable alternatives to Ricki then are you saying its his job for the rest of his working life?

The fact that no one has named an viable alternative is more a reflection of not knowing who is available. To say that every prospective potential coach is inferior to the incumbent does not make sense.

Exactly right - this is a ridiculous straw man argument

If you want Ricki to stay defend his record or explain why it would be good for the club

Academic argument now. He will be coaching next season.

Suck it up kids.

Herbert going nowhere, Yellow Fever implodes

Herbert must have a VERY good contract

Morgan did say he's not on the committee that picks the coach

I am.  Honestly though, who do you have to root around here to get sacked?

Miron Bleigberg? I'm sure he'd be keen for another crack at the a-league

Wow!

So thats that! Close this thread down, there is nothing to debate. Herbert will coach next season.

So here are the facts as I see them

1, Ricki when asked last week .....do you see yourself as coach of the Nix next season,replied...Absolutely

2, Ricki is on contract for another two seasons

3, Welnix can't afford to move Ricki to Director of Football

4, We can assume Welnix won't and pay him out, for financial reasons(probably noticed Rini Coolin taking Adelaide FC to court asking for a few million compensation for early dismissal)

Wow!

So Ricki comes out absolute winner.....heads I win tails you lose

No pressure to win anything this year, no blame on him if we don't.  It seems a large chunk of the sports media and probably the public think we are dead last because the owners have "forced" him into playing a style they are unfamiliar with

.Ricki has already stated that the new "plan" will take 3 to 5 years to implement  and we will be in "transition" (god I hate that phrase) during this period. So no pressure to win anything next season either.

Wow!

I think I'd better mull this overnight or I might say something now I might regret later.....

Except this......the owners should bail out of the style change request....right NOW. Let Ricki coach the side how he wants and he gets rated on results. No hiding behind "they made me change what we were good at before"

(at the end of the season)

I'm not sure it's ever that clear with Morgan.  I suspect sometime he does shoot his mouth off a little...

So if the Phoenix lose every game until the end of the season, Ricki's job is safe?

Realistically though, I doubt Morgan was going to say anything different on a radio show.

If they want to improve attendances though, I am not sure sticking with same old, same old is going to generate much excitement.

I'm sure there would be a breaking point at which his job isn't safe. Surely. 

4 losses in a row, perhaps?

I'm at the point now where I am getting angry and it's moving from Rick to others within the organisation, including the owners.

If Morgan etc are willing to keep Ricki in the job purely because of finances that is cr@p and we should be telling him and the other owners that.  They gave him the long contract, they have to wear that mistake not continue on with this no hoper, who they themselves have turned into a lame duck.

I'm not sure they've categorically said they won't spend the money on a new coach as they're not at the stage of needing to, yet.

Surely they are not stupid enough to just get a nobody in on the cheap and still expect great exciting football and the fans to come streaming back through the doors? Or are they...?

Edit: this is in response to JD at the top of the page. 

At no point have they cited money as a reason not to sack him. That's an assumption you've made. 

I believe they have a plan, and ricki is a big part of it and had contributed and bought into it. 

It pisses me off (and you'll notice I've changed my tune on this) that they've turned this season from one where we had ambitions of a top 2 finish, to one where they are forcing a style on to the players midway through in the name of this grand plan. It's all fine having a 5 year plan, but you should still be trying to win the league every season. It's interesting that Ifill said something similar on twitter a wee while back, but coming from a different angle - read into that what you will. 

I realise the season isn't over yet. We are only 3 points from the top 6. But my personal thoughts on goals from the start of the season hasn't changed: top 2 is an excellent season, job well done. Top 4 is good. Top 6 is below par, but just acceptable. Anything outside of the top 6 is a complete and utter failure. Lets see what happens. 

If only we'd had this grand plan 5 years ago we'd have started this season thinking we had a chance at the title! Oh wait...

We may come good but I really really really believe we need a decent midfielder to even have a chance of top 6.

 I think we'd all agree on that, and we all know it aint coming anytime soon

Yep, which is why I suggested bringing a NZ assistant with fresh ideas in. 

I don't think we are past that point yet, we should see how the season goes, analyse, and go from there. I suspect this is what welnix will do anyway, despite how they're portraying themselves in the media, they're not complete idiots. 

They're also hardly going to say what you want them to, which is "ricki is shite"

I think they've been quite good at explaining what they're doing, why things are happening, and what the plan is. They could come out and apologise for the season and take some responsibility, but that'd seem really defeatist and its way too soon for that (not to mention itd make the crowd problem worse).

I'm genuinely not sure what else you want. 

What would modding fix though News? There is still numptiness regardless. I think you probably need to have a search function and PM before you can consider a full frontal on modding. That allows you to exercise more control and take some of these out of public and into private (along with another thread on or angst cause someone could not search)

And I respect I would be one of the first in line for a boot in the ass too and I have well deserved it.

 They (Well nix) have a plan and arent going to change it yet.  Hang in.....

This "we are crap because Welnix forced a new style on us" has become an urban myth. We have been crap for most of the season....we only won 1 of our first 6 games.

According to Dome Herbert is up for a performance review at the end of the season.

It will probably go something like this. 

Board..."Its been a very poor season season and we are unhappy we finished botton"

Ricki...."what are you going to do about it.....sack me?...go on, I dare you"