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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
james dean wrote:
That's unfair mate, this guy has just had an opinion piece published on the major news website in NZ where he's highly critical of the coach of a professional football team despite never having played at that level himself.  Isn't it fair enough to ask what qualifies him to make those criticisms?
His qualifications are irrelevant. After all it was stated as "opinion".
So you don't vote because you've never run a country?
Whats important is if he's right or not, and for the most part, he is.
If qualifications are what matters why is anyone saying anything, positive or negative.
Personally I think giving Ricki the arse would be a positive move and people who what to keep him, negative. Thats life.
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irnbru14 wrote:
 
And are certainly more literate, inquisitive, thoughtful and and worth listening to or reading than the vast majority of ex-footballer/coach pundits who are around.
 
Well exactly - we know from Scotland that people who have played at a high level in the game are perfectly capable of talking utter bollocks about football as much as the man in the street. I give you Davie Provan, Charlie Nicholas, Allan Preston...and I'm sure there are a few others!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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i think spectators do have valid views on some things. Commenting on what you see is acceptable obviously,if you watch a team frequently you can form decent enough opinions.
 
i think what JD means is its not always the whole picture. People on this forum saying "Play costa because he did well for 20mins vs la galaxy" arent really worth listening to,for example.
 
Basically,you cant comment on what you dont know. With a formation like the one we're playing,it all well depends on instructions given to the players,and whether or not theyre executing them properly. Since we dont know what those instructions are,we dont know if theyre being executed or not,so what we see is ill-informed.
 
You can have an opinion,but it mostly wont be right. We can only comment on what we see,and to me we play 4-3-3 of sorts,i believe our intent is to attack,and it has been made well known in the media that this is our intent.
 
 So what ive seen and what ive been told through the media,i have no reason to believe otherwise,and steve-o or an amatuer footballer dont have much credibility on changing my mind in this. Someone reading a newspape or this forumr who doesnt know football too well,is more likely to just agree with whatever they read in the paper...or whoever gives the most intimidating or frequent posts. As these people would be seen to have more football knowledge than they do.
 
Im not having a go at anyone here,just stating that credibility differs based on the writers knowledge compared to the person reading it. So based on our own knowledge of football + the 20% of information we gather from watching the game on the pitch,we form our own opinion. Of course these will differ,when steve-o watches a game he sees that 20% differently to what i do based on our football knowledge and beliefs. That doesnt make either of us right.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
just wondering if you ever bought that season ticket Steve-O after whinging about it for a couple of months?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
whitby fever wrote:


For all future posts please state the highest level of football you played and/or coached, whether you are still involved in the game and in what capacity. If your opinion does not fit with the party line it will be dismissed unless your pedigree is impeccable.


Now, hang on Whitby.  James isn't saying that about posting on here, rather being given column inches in a major daily newspaper.  There is a fundamental difference here, and an important one considering how ill-informed about football many of the readers of the DomPost would be.
 
It is just an opinion piece though, like many other articles / blogs etc that appear on Stuff on a whole range of subjects, and the opportunity to comment is there underneath the article too.
 
People are free to agree or disagree with it as they have done, and Herbert himself has balanced it out with his own comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Hard News wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
I don't understand why you get Angsty about people discussing football!?!?


But it's not a discussion is it ?  It's you and Stevo (mainly) completely bombarding the forum with your views that are against everyone elses.  At no point do you acknowledge or remotely take on others views or even consider that majority may have a fair point.

I love a discussion, but this isn't a discussion.  Since 19:00 Sunday, this and up to 4 other threads have been the same posts over and over and over and over and over again.  I'd love a good discussion about who might replace Ifill and how they will fit in to our current highly creative flowing style of play but that's not going to happen because despite all the evidence to the contrary we keep being assured by a minority that we don't play like that.

Instead there will be four more days of people claiming that the solution to our problems are to add another man up front when every single statistic and statement makes it clear that the problem isn't a problem that needs another man up front to solve it.

It needs a simple thing.  Players to finish chances.  You can play 6 men up front but if those 6 don't put the ball in the back of the net you'll still finish with no goals.  We're creating as many chances as any other side in the league with our current formatuion, and despite what Marius claims to be seeing are playing the best looking and most attacking football that the club has in it's existence yet we have more posts complaining about it than we ever have before.... not more people, just more posts.

I will say this now, if Ifill is 100% fit (unlikely) on Sunday and we play the style and formation we have played for the last few weeks and we convert 1 in 5 of our chance we will beat the Mariners by 3, much the same as if we had taken a fraction of our chances against Brisbane, Adelaide and Mebourne we would have beaten them by the same margin.

1 up front, 2 up front, 3 up front, if you don't finish, you don't win, the formation means nothing.

 
Personally I still think you are stubbornly unopen to the thought that perhaps augmenting our lone striker at times could actually win us the games we are currently drawing or losing out in, succesfully changing the balance and set up of the team during the game is part of the coaches job, that can, amongst other things, include change of formation or adding or removing players from positions as suits the way the match is going, how the opposition are set up etc.
 
I would just like us to be flexible on how we play and hope that Ricki will make the big decisions during games that could propell us from drawing games to winning them when Plan A is not working as planned.
 
If Ifill fails to make it this weekend, god forbid, it will be interesting to see how he adapst the team, whether Hearfield or Caceras will drop into the Ifill role or not, personally I think he will go like for like for the starting line up and can see Caceras starting as a straight swap for Ifill as he showed some glimpses of good skill and attacking intend when he came on last week.
 
 
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Feverish wrote:
just wondering if you ever bought that season ticket Steve-O after whinging about it for a couple of months?
 
After reading about the problems on here regarding Ticketek, and having experienced my own problems with them trying to buy AC/DC tickets, no I didn't.
 
Don't see what that has got to do with anything as I've still been to every home game, and other people are still (rightly) whinging about Ticketek even now due to them still continuing to make a mess of things?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
Feverish wrote:
just wondering if you ever bought that season ticket Steve-O after whinging about it for a couple of months?
 
After reading about the problems on here regarding Ticketek, and having experienced my own problems with them trying to buy AC/DC tickets, no I didn't.
 
Don't see what that has got to do with anything as I've still been to every home game, and other people are still (rightly) whinging about Ticketek even now due to them still continuing to make a mess of things?
 
oh its just that you mentioned something about your main gripe- just wondering how your secondary gripes were tracking. as you were

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
irnbru4,thats a great post. A straight swap for this weekend would be good and a chance to see how caceres does. I see where you're coming from,I really do,but i do think the subs bench limits options somewhat in regards to radical tactical changes during a game. but yeah,the subs RH names can justifiably come under scrutiny,and perhaps its something he should look to address.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
irnbru4,thats a great post. A straight swap for this weekend would be good and a chance to see how caceres does. I see where you're coming from,I really do,but i do think the subs bench limits options somewhat in regards to radical tactical changes during a game. but yeah,the subs RH names can justifiably come under scrutiny,and perhaps its something he should look to address.
 
You mean the subs plastic chairs from the Warehouse
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Feverish wrote:
just wondering if you ever bought that season ticket Steve-O after whinging about it for a couple of months?
 
After reading about the problems on here regarding Ticketek, and having experienced my own problems with them trying to buy AC/DC tickets, no I didn't.
 
Don't see what that has got to do with anything as I've still been to every home game, and other people are still (rightly) whinging about Ticketek even now due to them still continuing to make a mess of things?
 
oh its just that you mentioned something about your main gripe- just wondering how your secondary gripes were tracking. as you were
 
What is the point of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Shots On Target/Woodwork stats and Total Attempts from the A League Match Summaries

Our Attempts - Opposition Attempts
On Target/Woodwork first, All Attempts second

v Jets 3 - 7 and 10 - 14
v Perth 8 - 4 and 17 - 16
v Roar 4 - 5 and 10 - 9
v Bling 2 - 7 and 6 - 13
v Reds 4 - 5 and 15 - 10
v Mel 8 - 2 and 15 - 10
v Fury 3 - 6 and 7 - 11

Totals: 32 - 36 i.e. less shots on target, and 80 - 83, less attempts in total.

For 4 draws, 2 losses and a win. Not having played the top and third sides yet.

We have created less chances this season, as measured by attempts, both on target and in total.  Plus arguably not against the strongest opposition.

Tell me again we just need to finish better and that we have been dominating sides but just been unlucky.  I think we tend to unavoidably see things a bit one sided and from a natural bias.

Edit:  I guess another way of seeing this would be that the stats are pretty close so maybe we should be midtable lol.  I guess we aren't far away!

Plus 15 - 13 and 37 - 31 the last three weeks, in our favour.

mjp22009-09-23 22:56:07
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Feverish wrote:
just wondering if you ever bought that season ticket Steve-O after whinging about it for a couple of months?
 
After reading about the problems on here regarding Ticketek, and having experienced my own problems with them trying to buy AC/DC tickets, no I didn't.
 
Don't see what that has got to do with anything as I've still been to every home game, and other people are still (rightly) whinging about Ticketek even now due to them still continuing to make a mess of things?
 
oh its just that you mentioned something about your main gripe- just wondering how your secondary gripes were tracking. as you were
 
What is the point of this?
There isn't one, of any value.
Actually Steve-O your quite positive in the intent of what you say, but not many will see it that way.
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Funnily enough, I just went over to look on hibs.net messageboard and way over on the other side of the world, almost the EXACT same debate re: formation is going on, it's uncanny really!!
 
Trying to play 4-3-2-1 apparently but everyone and their granny is demanding it's changed to 4-4-2...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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auskiwi wrote:
There isn't one, of any value.
Actually Steve-O your quite positive in the intent of what you say, but not many will see it that way.
 
Indeed, I want the Phoenix to be more positive, but that's just me being negative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
Funnily enough, I just went over to look on hibs.net messageboard and way over on the other side of the world, almost the EXACT same debate re: formation is going on, it's uncanny really!!
 
Trying to play 4-3-2-1 apparently but everyone and their granny is demanding it's changed to 4-4-2...
 
maybe stay on there for a few days?

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Must be a scottish thing haha.
 
Another thing to think about is the need in the A league to have numbers in the midfield and dominate it. Im quite sure a lot of teams on this side of the world now employ this tactic? and have a more fluid formation that transitions between defence and attack,keeping numbers in the midfield while supporting the striker when breaking forward. Just another angle,that i have noticed previously.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Is Hibs second to last too?
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are they 6 points from the top or 3 points from a top 4 spot?

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auskiwi wrote:
Is Hibs second to last too?
 
No, 3rd in the SPL
 
They did get put out the League Cup last night though, 3-1, at home, by St Johnstone...
 
http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?t=162020 - if you think I am 'angsty' anyone...perhaps just take a look at this thread, as an example, and you might see where I get it from...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Feverish wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Funnily enough, I just went over to look on hibs.net messageboard and way over on the other side of the world, almost the EXACT same debate re: formation is going on, it's uncanny really!!
 
Trying to play 4-3-2-1 apparently but everyone and their granny is demanding it's changed to 4-4-2...
 
maybe stay on there for a few days?
 
Please stop the tit-for-tat crap, it's not big or clever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Nothing much wrong with the style we are playing at the moment except we can't keep doing it for the full 90+. We are creating enough chances. We are getting numbers into the box. The problem is those players getting into the box are NOT natural finishers. Brown has the highest number of goals scored by a midfielder but his percentage of goals to attempts must be low...ditto Leo.(please don't mention Ferrante)

We can keep playing like this and probably won't increase our goal scoring as guys like Brown, Leo, Ferrante, Daniel, lia are not going to suddenly  become lethal finishers.
 
So there are two solutions....you increase the number of chances so that on a (low) percentage basis more of them are actually scored.
 
or you figure out how to get your natural scorers like Greenacre and ifill to be on the end of the chances. As Ifill does a lot of creating then it is really up to finding a way or a style of play that gets Greenacre at the business end of the attack. He showed preseason and the first 2 games that given a half chance he will finish.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
British players and fans do tend to have an in built bias towards 4-4-2 beacuse most of their sides have traditionally played that way.  It's not the ONLY way to line up a football team though!!

Normo's coming home

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Tegal wrote:
are they 6 points from the top or 3 points from a top 4 spot?
 
Unfortunatly we are a lot further from the top than the table suggests as other sides above tend to get points too.
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Tegal wrote:
Must be a scottish thing haha.
 
Another thing to think about is the need in the A league to have numbers in the midfield and dominate it. Im quite sure a lot of teams on this side of the world now employ this tactic? and have a more fluid formation that transitions between defence and attack,keeping numbers in the midfield while supporting the striker when breaking forward. Just another angle,that i have noticed previously.
 
Cheeky!
 
Yeah, though I noticed Fowler seemed to have a strike partner, as did the two big blokes that Adelaide had up front, playing a more conventional 2 prong strikeforce.
 
I can see how we are trying to play, and if we can get the players forward quick enough to support Greenacre it will work, it is just frustrating that when it isn;t working, like 2nd half vs Sydney, we didn't seem to try anything different.  Again this is possibly down to the two injury enforced subs we had to make which limited what we could change around.
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Steve-O wrote:
 
http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?t=162020 - if you think I am 'angsty' anyone...perhaps just take a look at this thread, as an example, and you might see where I get it from...


I'm not the least surprised though Steve, ever since your first day on here the majority of your posts are not happy about something, if you are a snapshot of a typical Hibernian fan then it is no wonder that place is like that.

Perhaps taking a chance to acknowledge that you no longer live a 'trainspotting' existence and in fact live in Wellington and get to watch a fledgling team in a fledgling league spreading it's wings and playing good football on a sunny Sunday afternoon will help you get over 100 years of ingrained unhappiness at your football team.

You could take on the sunny disposition the majority of Phoenix fans have and you might just see the glimmer of hope and the inspirational football the Phoenix have played for a majority of the season.

Have a crack Steve-O, you never know, you might like it.

Oh, and you'll have to excuse Auskiwi, he at least has been consistant and irrationally hated Ricki since before he was appointed...and Zephyr he turned up whining before the first ball was kicked as well, irnbru seems to be knew to the band although obviously a cannae scot like yourself... flatmates? ...anyway irrelevant, but he might like to try this prescription as well, and when/if it works you tell folks Dr. Baiter sent you.


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james dean wrote:
British players and fans do tend to have an in built bias towards 4-4-2 beacuse most of their sides have traditionally played that way.  It's not the ONLY way to line up a football team though!!
 
It is a tried and trusted and fairly straightforward way to set up a team though, and players should have a fairly good unerstanding of their roles and responsibilities within it.
 
Introducing more complicated formations, like the fluid 4514231433 variant we are doing takes time for people to understand what the should be doing, and even longer for them to naturally know what they should be doing without thinking about it.  A 442 formation for most is a straightforward way of playing with almost pre-defined roles.
 
Asking footballers to think about things on the pitch is always asking for trouble!
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irnbru14 wrote:
Yeah, though I noticed Fowler seemed to have a strike partner, as did the two big blokes that Adelaide had up front, playing a more conventional 2 prong strikeforce.


That was about the only time in two years Adelaide have played like that, they are the leagues biggest advocates of the one up front approach but had the men who normally play in behind (Captain Dodd) out injured so changed it for the game against us.

They don't play 4-3-3, they really do play 1 up front.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Baiter wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
 
http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?t=162020 - if you think I am 'angsty' anyone...perhaps just take a look at this thread, as an example, and you might see where I get it from...


I'm not the least surprised though Steve, ever since your first day on here the majority of your posts are not happy about something, if you are a snapshot of a typical Hibernian fan then it is no wonder that place is like that.

Perhaps taking a chance to acknowledge that you no longer live a 'trainspotting' existence and in fact live in Wellington and get to watch a fledgling team in a fledgling league spreading it's wings and playing good football on a sunny Sunday afternoon will help you get over 100 years of ingrained unhappiness at your football team.

You could take on the sunny disposition the majority of Phoenix fans have and you might just see the glimmer of hope and the inspirational football the Phoenix have played for a majority of the season.

Have a crack Steve-O, you never know, you might like it.

Oh, and you'll have to excuse Auskiwi, he at least has been consistant and irrationally hated Ricki since before he was appointed...and Zephyr he turned up whining before the first ball was kicked as well, irnbru seems to be knew to the band although obviously a cannae scot like yourself... flatmates? ...anyway irrelevant, but he might like to try this prescription as well, and when/if it works you tell folks Dr. Baiter sent you.
 
 
You might think I am overly negative, but 'inspirational' is a little to the other extreme no
 
I don't deny there is hope there...that's why I am frustrated - if they were total no-hopers then I wouldn't expect anything more from them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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I disagree with that.  It's a tried and tested way to set up a team in Britain (and as much of our football coaching is based on a british tradition, NZ and Aus).  In Sth America, in Eastern Europe, Holland, Spain, in fact in many other parts of the world playing with three midfielders and three "forwards" is the basic formation. 

Normo's coming home

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Baiter wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
 
http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?t=162020 - if you think I am 'angsty' anyone...perhaps just take a look at this thread, as an example, and you might see where I get it from...


I'm not the least surprised though Steve, ever since your first day on here the majority of your posts are not happy about something, if you are a snapshot of a typical Hibernian fan then it is no wonder that place is like that.

Perhaps taking a chance to acknowledge that you no longer live a 'trainspotting' existence and in fact live in Wellington and get to watch a fledgling team in a fledgling league spreading it's wings and playing good football on a sunny Sunday afternoon will help you get over 100 years of ingrained unhappiness at your football team.

You could take on the sunny disposition the majority of Phoenix fans have and you might just see the glimmer of hope and the inspirational football the Phoenix have played for a majority of the season.

Have a crack Steve-O, you never know, you might like it.

Oh, and you'll have to excuse Auskiwi, he at least has been consistant and irrationally hated Ricki since before he was appointed...and Zephyr he turned up whining before the first ball was kicked as well, irnbru seems to be knew to the band although obviously a cannae scot like yourself... flatmates? ...anyway irrelevant, but he might like to try this prescription as well, and when/if it works you tell folks Dr. Baiter sent you.
 
I'm frustrated because I can see that with the players we have we can be better and can win games and can play that attcking exciting football in patches that we all want to see, it is a long process due to new players this season, losing two of our best players from last year,  and still finding our feet in the world as a newborn football team.
 
I'm happy when I go to the stadium, I want to see them do well and I want us to have a team winning games that we can all be proud of, that when I go into work the next day I don't get stick from the Rugby lot and have to try and explain what happened using words of 4 letters or less. 
 
Don't let frustration by people on here let you think we don't care or that we are unhappy supporting the Nix, far from it, it's just that somewhere is needed to vent some frustrations and chat about all aspects of the game and the club in this bastion of egg chasers.
 
Am looking forward to the game on Sunday as much as ever, just hope we can turn our potential into a victory, and turn our patchy form into consistancy, and turn our hints and flashes of exciting attacking passing football into a full on hairs on the back of the neck standing up performance
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james dean wrote:
I disagree with that.  It's a tried and tested way to set up a team in Britain (and as much of our football coaching is based on a british tradition, NZ and Aus).  In Sth America, in Eastern Europe, Holland, Spain, in fact in many other parts of the world playing with three midfielders and three "forwards" is the basic formation. 
 
But as most NZ coaching is based on the UK system, the NZ/Aussie players here are probably mostly still used to a 44 system?
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But that's what we pay the coach for.  Just because they are "used" to 4-4-2 doesn't make it the best formation for this group of players.

Normo's coming home

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james dean wrote:
But that's what we pay the coach for.  Just because they are "used" to 4-4-2 doesn't make it the best formation for this group of players.
 
I know, I assume its the formation most kiwi and aussie, and certainly most british, players grow up playing, it almost becomes second nature.  The players moving to this 4231 and variations on that we are playing do need to learn what they should do in the positions they are playing, it will take a while for them to take that onboard to be natural for them, especially the 3 playing in behind Greenacre when they are interchanged around a lot during a match.
 
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Baiter wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
 
http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?t=162020 - if you think I am 'angsty' anyone...perhaps just take a look at this thread, as an example, and you might see where I get it from...


I'm not the least surprised though Steve, ever since your first day on here the majority of your posts are not happy about something, if you are a snapshot of a typical Hibernian fan then it is no wonder that place is like that.

Perhaps taking a chance to acknowledge that you no longer live a 'trainspotting' existence and in fact live in Wellington and get to watch a fledgling team in a fledgling league spreading it's wings and playing good football on a sunny Sunday afternoon will help you get over 100 years of ingrained unhappiness at your football team.

You could take on the sunny disposition the majority of Phoenix fans have and you might just see the glimmer of hope and the inspirational football the Phoenix have played for a majority of the season.

Have a crack Steve-O, you never know, you might like it.

Oh, and you'll have to excuse Auskiwi, he at least has been consistant and irrationally hated Ricki since before he was appointed...and Zephyr he turned up whining before the first ball was kicked as well, irnbru seems to be knew to the band although obviously a cannae scot like yourself... flatmates? ...anyway irrelevant, but he might like to try this prescription as well, and when/if it works you tell folks Dr. Baiter sent you.
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Please, I don't need your insolent pup "Oh, and you'll have to excuse Auskiwi".
I'm sure the others don't need your insolence either.
Who do you think you are boy?
I know what you are, so probably unnessessary to answer unless you have the need to confirm it.
It would be incorrect of you to say I have " hated Ricki since before he was appointed".
Also "hated" is such a strong word and not at all relevant, but thats no suprise.
Also "irrational" only shows me your standards and expectations are a lot lower than mine.
Also "consisant", thank you.
Next thing you will be signing off with  Dr Baiter has spoken.
t**ser.
Mate, all I can say is see if you can get a refund from the education system, you've been ripped off.
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You're posts are very difficult to read Auskiwi,to the point they dont really make a lot of sense. Maybe you should seek that refund also...


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irnbru14 wrote:
 
james dean wrote:
But that's what we pay the coach for.  Just because they are "used" to 4-4-2 doesn't make it the best formation for this group of players.
 
I know, I assume its the formation most kiwi and aussie, and certainly most british, players grow up playing, it almost becomes second nature.  The players moving to this 4231 and variations on that we are playing do need to learn what they should do in the positions they are playing, it will take a while for them to take that onboard to be natural for them, especially the 3 playing in behind Greenacre when they are interchanged around a lot during a match.
 
 
Fair enogh, I think we can get more out of the players with this system (or a variation on it) althugh I agree Greenie is not the ideal player to be the 1, but I still think he can do a job there and it gives our most creative players (Bertos, Daniel and Ifil) the most freedom.
 
Anyway, I said on the other thread I was out of this discussion until after the game on the weekend and out I shall remain.  Probably should get some work done as well!
 
Have a good week lads and enjoy the match.  4am on the laptop, never a lot of fun

Normo's coming home

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Depends what you're doing

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Any chance of not continually calling Steve-O a knob, cock, etc all the time? I'm all for having a bit of a sweary match and to throw the odd insult as you know but the whole thing is getting a bit insidious.

Don't agree with what he says, wish he would lay of posting his ideas as much as he does, I frigging  love how we are playing compared to last season and fully expect it to click into place and the goals will start coming soon. However the abuse he gets seems to be a bit out of proportion.

One question though Steve-O mate how they hell do you get the time to write the seemingly endless posts, no girlfriend or job is it? (I'm kidding)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I take it all the naysayers out there have read riki's response to the attacks on his "negative" play?

Queenslander 3x a year.

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