Coaching Speculation - The global search to hire Mark Rudan

why not go old school and promote from within..like real clubs used to do...greenacre is phoenix as it gets..highly respected player for the club,been through the trenches for the club and bailed the club out 3 times now...now a kiwi committed to the club..pity we havent had that from the players lately..funny how greenacre gets involved and smiles reappear,players seem enthused and even the misery guts on here seem to spark up...seems to me the answer is right in front of us..always remember rules are guidelines for clever people to circumvent...same with dura..my thinking is that any playing role is as decided by coaching staff but he should be the club captain off the field as he seems to carry himself well and has respect of all   

What is the minimum qualification for an Aussie to be coach or assistant?

Just throwing it out there, could Dura be the figure head player/coach, with Greenie doing all the training ground stuff?

A licence isn't it so Dura not an option.

Speak for yourself!

Taking over someone else's squad that is under-performing mid-season is surely different to assembling a squad to play the way you want and having several months of pre-season to get them function as a collective.

I seem to recall that a lot of voices on this forum were disappointed with the way that experiment turned out and agreed with the club that it wasn't a sensible long term option. I may be wrong. ;) 

Yes, definitely, just not all of us :-)

I agree. Assuming that the person we pick to do that job can deliver. Serious question: has Greenie done enough to show he's up to the job at this stage of his coaching career? FWIW, I hope he becomes a terrific coach, and one day gets to coach the Nix in the HAL. But maybe when the current pressure is off, and the club has secured a long term license allowing him time to grow into the role. 'Cos right at the moment, time is not on our side.  

Are you saying that Greenie has not done enough to coach the Nix as yet, or are you saying that he is not Rob Sherman, who you seem to favour on the basis of a pedigree rather than his current coaching track record. 

I am not saying Greenie is the only answer. We are short of ideas as to who has applied for the job so far. Personally I am not in a mood anymore for yet another experiment with someone who is largely unproven as a league team coach outside their home turf, whether they are from UK or Continental Europe. The "imported coach" fiasco with Kalezic at the Nix has also happened to other HAL teams in the past (Jim Magilton at Melbourne Victory, Franz Straka at Nth Qld Fury).This is the reason I am hesitant about Sherman as this would mean taking us away from what Greenie has to a degree shown our team is capable of.

So far Greenie has been able to have us play a couple of games where we all seem to have liked how the team played. He is also acutely aware of the A-League environment, and he knows the team well. Not sure how good he would be at recruitment, and he would certainly need help in a number of areas. He may or may not be able to clear (work around) the FFA requirements regarding coaching qualifications. But if he develops as a coach I am sure there are many of us who would give him a lot of leeway along the way, myself included.

I would have no problem with Sherman working with Greenie if he is able to respect Greenie's man-management skills, his humble approach,and work with his experience while not trying to hijack the show.

The other thing is Greenie loves the team and has passion for it, he's not some hired gun who's indifferent. We should be looking to bring in people who love the team and want to fight to keep professional football in this country.

I have no doubt that Greenacre is a nice guy, but just being a nice guy doesn't mean he should get the job. 

If we are getting leniency on the qualifications due to him being a nice guy then we should be hiring Ramon 

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I have no doubt that Greenacre is a nice guy, but just being a nice guy doesn't mean he should get the job. 

If we are getting leniency on the qualifications due to him being a nice guy then we should be hiring Ramon 

[/isnt greenacre more qualified and been waiting for the opportunity to sort his pro...also he has both playing and coaching knowledge of the aleague ...perhaps ffa would be more inclined to give him latitudequote]

I'm not sure is he more qualified?

As for playing in the a league I raise you a Jeremy Christie

Not about being a nice guy , although it is a man management league, it's about instilling passion for the crest.

It should be to do a good job.

What I'm saying is how he'd do a good job.

There's context to posts.

Sherman as DoF and head coach for FFA purposes with Greenie his wing man. If we still have a club in a couple of years Sherman transitions into DoF by which time Greenie will have his piece of paper and proven himself or not. 

greenie isnt qualified to be assistant without dispensat

Ross Aloisi.

Works for me. 

Did they give a timeframe for an announcement?

I spoke to a sauce last week and they said that people are working on it but it didn't look like it would fall into place before the season end.  Once the attempt to get someone in quickly to prove themselves for the rest of the season fell through they had to go a little wider and have talked to alot more options.

This guy News?? 

No these GUYS - they are in the NO

Tea leaves tell me this...

4/1 Sherman/Greenie

7/1 Sherman/Ramon

20/1 Rudan

25/1 Miller, Okon

30/1 Mulvey

50/ Farina

75/1 Sherman/Dura

100/1 Popa

1,000/1 Ricki and his kid

Interesting predictions.  So it seems the odds of Sherman in some kind of configuration are almost 3/1.

No Corica?

Anyone on here who knows both Sherman and Greenie? Would they be compatible and work well together? (A reasonable question after this season's coaching fiasco.) Same question for a teaming of Sherman and Ramon. 

If you're assuming that the Phoenix apply for and get granted dispensation for Greenacre or Tribulietx to be assistants why not apply for dispensation for either to be head?

What a the odds on Buckingham?

Okay, worst case: assuming either Greenie or Ramon were appointed head coach, subject to completing their qualifications, a failure to pass - for whatever reason - could leave us with a head coach who had to stand aside. If either of them were assistants, any hiccup would be less embarrassing. I just want to minimize the risk of a coaching own goal next season. 

If I was a betting man my money would still be on someone with a penchant for Sandpapering balls.

Corica/Rudan both be in for CCM I reckon; no idea if interest in the Nix. Expansion club coaching jobs on the horizon too.

Hard News' dark horse has form...

Well, any dispensation in the above scenario would have to be unrestricted with no presumption of them sitting and passing a test, it would have to be dispensation for the foreseeable future. Greeny is a NZ Citizen so it's a pretty reasonable assumption that the FFA could consider him a local coach in the same way as the FFA sees NZ players as local for the Phoenix.

Seeing as we're speculating and putting both Ramon and Greeny in positions they're technically not qualified for in the first place.

I think there would be an appeal to here in that it's away from the glare of NSW media, a lot of scope to recruit, good facilities and a pretty stable environment despite what all the arm waving panic merchants would have you believe about our imminent demise.

You'd need to convince them about your commitment to NZ players, development and how you will accelerate your knowledge of NZ Football but if you can genuinely commit to that then you could earn your stripes here before trying to grab big money in Sydney or Melbourne.

They seem to be confined to FOX pundits whenever we lose a game, and to anonymous keyboard warriors posting comments in Stuff website.  Both types seem to have a vested interest, not aligned with the interests of FFA let alone the Nix.

Ross Aloisi