Darije Kalezić: We hardly knew ye.

so here's my take on it - for what it's worth.

All along the coach has said that this team does not have what it takes to win the league - certain players are not up to it and natural selection will take place come the end of the season. My bet is that DK has presented to the management with his plans to change the squad dramatically and may have even requested more funds to do it and has probably met with strong resistance from the board. Agreement cannot be reached hence he leaves.

Question - why hire an agent of change if you aren't willing to change? This, as I've said all along, is basically going to repeat what we did this season, re-sign a whole bunch of players before we get the coach so we actually have a squad come next season.

No the club can apply for a dispensation until he gets it

also he is due to get it in May which means he would have it in time for next season

but despite that don't think he will be the next Nix coach

...or he could be a raging sharkcod that the players can't stand and won't play for?

While we're throwing out baseless conjecture and pretending it's viable.

It's almost as if a forum is used for discussion.

My point is correct then.  The club can 'apply' to get it under the rule designed to get young Aussie's into the league.  The FFA can easily say no. 

But that is again moot if he gets his pro in May.


And all of this is irrelevant if:
1. He doesn't want the job, and
2. He has a bad relationship with the Nix

Lots of hypotheticals.  The only definite is he doesn't currently have a pro-licence and he needs one to coach in the A-League

(Whether that is a good thing or not and whether I think he should be given the job are both different discussions to this one)

I hear this line a bit, but I'm yet to see any information to substantiate it. Does anyone have a sauce or information which they can back this point up with?

This guy simply is a clown. The Nix management need to take a hard look at themselves how they could hire someone so poor.

Two Auckland games means Ramon can get a good look at who to keep for next season..

It’s all part of Domey’s master plan. 

I think he MAY be able to do the job but it would be a massive gamble from a club that is already perceived to be a complete mess by everyone who deals with them.  If that gamble didn't play off can you imagine the whining on here just based on what we see here even when we win a game?

How about I play Devil's advocate here then seeing as I see the media darlings have already saddled the horses to the front of the same "sign Ramon" and "Tribulietx In" bandwagons they only put away a couple of days ago after the All Whites gig was announced.

Let's be brutally honest.  Ramon's experience is coaching a semi-professional team in a glorified social grade level of football.  He has a significant level of backing for an amateur team and has built an excellent record on that but it's still amateur football.  It's not dealing with full time players and the full raft of what is needed for a full time job.

There is a significant difference between getting a side up for a week long tournament in the WCC vs a 10 month of the year full time competition including recruitment, physical conditioning, mental conditioning, running a reserve team and a myriad of other things that he requires little experience of in his current role.

I'd feel a lot happier if he had spent some time, any time working within a professional environment.  If he'd put his hand up for an assistant gig somewhere, played at one or at any point spent a long period of time where he has an understanding of football at that level I'd be more inclined to be on the bangbus.

The next question is, does he want the gig? Are people screaming for him to be appointed having not even checked if he wants it? He's on a pretty good deal at City and let's be honest has not gone out of his way to move on from his comfort zone there.

I think he MAY be able to do the job but it would be a massive gamble from a club that is already perceived to be a complete mess by everyone who deals with them.  If that gamble didn't play off can you imagine the whining on here just based on what we see here even when we win a game?

Is it though? Has the club changed so drastically from the time Ifill said how impressed he was with the professionalism of the club?

I think you're right. 

However, I do think the board have shown they are willing to change and have backed their 'agent for change' to the hilt and have been disappointed with the results.

I think they want to change and they have realised that he is not the man to do it

Oh, Domey has a master plan?  When did that happen? ;)

How about I play Devil's advocate here then seeing as I see the media darlings have already saddled the horses to the front of the same "sign Ramon" and "Tribulietx In" bandwagons they only put away a couple of days ago after the All Whites gig was announced.

Let's be brutally honest.  Ramon's experience is coaching a semi-professional team in a glorified social grade level of football.  He has a significant level of backing for an amateur team and has built an excellent record on that but it's still amateur football.  It's not dealing with full time players and the full raft of what is needed for a full time job.

There is a significant difference between getting a side up for a week long tournament in the WCC vs a 10 month of the year full time competition including recruitment, physical conditioning, mental conditioning, running a reserve team and a myriad of other things that he requires little experience of in his current role.

I'd feel a lot happier if he had spent some time, any time working within a professional environment.  If he'd put his hand up for an assistant gig somewhere, played at one or at any point spent a long period of time where he has an understanding of football at that level I'd be more inclined to be on the bangbus.

The next question is, does he want the gig? Are people screaming for him to be appointed having not even checked if he wants it? He's on a pretty good deal at City and let's be honest has not gone out of his way to move on from his comfort zone there.

I think he MAY be able to do the job but it would be a massive gamble from a club that is already perceived to be a complete mess by everyone who deals with them.  If that gamble didn't play off can you imagine the whining on here just based on what we see here even when we win a game?

Is it though? Has the club changed so drastically from the time Ifill said how impressed he was with the professionalism of the club?

Oh, Domey has a master plan?  When did that happen? ;)

...or he could be a raging sharkcod that the players can't stand and won't play for?

While we're throwing out baseless conjecture and pretending it's viable.

...liked the things Darije was saying, at at the same time they had no bearing on what happened on the field....

There's a difference between discussion and throwing out baseless "facts" and then forming an argument against the clubs behaviour based on those "facts".

feel a bit sorry for DK tbh. 

Almost certainly he will have stuffed up in some capacity; however that’s true for all coaches and the rest of us. Almost certainly some of our players are not up to it. What I cannot believe though is that abject failure this season is not the result of a combination of factors and/or a sequence of unfortunate events triggered by what at the time might seemed relatively innocuous events. . . eg the odd injury, a personality conflict, run of bad luck in games, dip in confidence etc etc etc. Sometimes unexplainably these things combine in such a way that you can ride your way through them, sometimes they compound and you end up in the crap.

So yes DK may not have all the attributes of a great coach and his team has not delivered on the pitch, but let’s not crucify him.

He’s also a human being whose own future in the game is probably very uncertain now. Getting fired by the Phoenix is not exactly a great line on his cv.

Meanwhile Dura’s biography whenever it comes out will make for very interesting reading. As well as being the Phoenix’s best ever player  (sorry Paul I) he’s a very astute bloke who will be best informed of anybody to adjudicate on the crap that we’ve experienced in recent years.

wanted Kalezic to stay as he is a better coach than Hudson and I would have liked to see a season on his terms. Seems that Krishna s terms were no Kalezic though. 

Dunno if Ive got the reserves to start over. 

Pick Brett Angell or whoever.  If we have to live in interesting times lets make them homegrown

wanted Kalezic to stay as he is a better coach than Hudson and I would have liked to see a season on his terms. Seems that Krishna s terms were no Kalezic though. 

Dunno if Ive got the reserves to start over. 

Pick Brett Angell or whoever.  If we have to live in interesting times lets make them homegrown

wanted Kalezic to stay as he is a better coach than Hudson and I would have liked to see a season on his terms. Seems that Krishna s terms were no Kalezic though. 

Dunno if Ive got the reserves to start over. 

Pick Brett Angell or whoever.  If we have to live in interesting times lets make them homegrown

wanted Kalezic to stay as he is a better coach than Hudson

couple of paragraphs in this article say it all really.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/10...

"We've been talking to Darije for the last few weeks about what he wanted to do next year and we came to the conclusion that there was no way the club and Darije were going to agree on a few important aspects that Darije wanted to continue with or changes at the club he wanted to make. So we agreed it was best for both that we go our separate ways."

In terms of the decision to appoint Kalezic in the first place - a coach who had been sacked from four clubs in five years before arriving at the Phoenix - Dome said, in hindsight, it may have been a mistake."It's one of those things. You don't always get all these decisions right. We'll take that on the chin and say it didn't work out in this particular instance and we have to look forward now.

same old rhetoric with no substantial indication they will make the right changes.

Dura would have been one of the players on the chopping block - maybe the player power base saw their time was up and made a move to oust the coach?