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james dean wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
james dean wrote:
This is a very odd read of the situation - the only reason the club would have announced that he is leaving is because that's what they have been told (and him leaving tallies with the interview with the SST). 



Is this really the only possible reason that the club would have said something like that?

Genuine question.
 
i can think of plenty of reasons why they might leak that he was thinking of signing elsewhere - I don't understand why they would say he had signed unless they believed that was the case.  What could they possibly gain?

Exactly.Nothing to gain.An admission of defeat.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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el grapadura wrote:
james dean wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
james dean wrote:

And for all those saying it's ok for him to leave because it's probably the best thing for him this is not a Marco Rojas supporter's forum, it's a Phoenix supporter's forum and the only thing right now that matters to 99% of people on here is what is best for the club.
This is complete bollocks by the way - FFS we're talking about a 19-year old kid trying to make a major life decision here, and here you are practically condoning all the vitriol and abuse he's received over the past 24 hours.

 

Thanks for putting words in my mouth - complete rubbish. 

 

I would just like to point out FIRST that the major life changing decision was the one made by the Phoenix when they signed him to his first professional football contract


And this ties him to the Phoenix forever?

Didn't know slavery was legal in New Zealand...
 
Perhaps you should start reading what I have written instead of again, trying to put words in my mouth.  You have now accused me of condoning both slavery and personal internet abuse - just a little OTT.
 
 
 

Normo's coming home

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I know it's OTT. Just tired of the childish reactions from a lot of people who should know better.

Nothing personal.el grapadura2011-03-01 00:29:48
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Disagreeing with you = childish?

Allegedly

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No. But abusing a 19-year old kid and questioning his father's well-meaning is. And I've seen way too much of it on this thread.
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By a minority of people...

Allegedly

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Well I don't think the response is childish either. 
 
I'm sure there are plenty of people at the Phoenix who will feel very let down as well, are they childish for feeling that way?  Should they just accept the decision because apparently he is doing what's best for him?  Or is it ok for them but not the supporters, who brought him to the club, to feel that way?
 
The football community wants the Phoenix to take chances on young kiwis.  It is hard to keep asking the club to do that when the players aren't willing to take a chance on the club.  I understand why Kosta left but this decision is far harder to justify - partly because of how he has been used, partly because of how he was acquired and partly because of where he wants to go.

Normo's coming home

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james dean wrote:
Well I don't think the response is childish either.�
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I'm sure there are plenty of people at the Phoenix who will feel very let down as well, are they childish for feeling that way?� Should they just accept the decision because apparently he is doing what's best for him?��Or is it ok for them but not the supporters, who brought him to the club,�to feel that way?

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The football community wants the Phoenix to take chances on young kiwis.� It is hard to keep asking the club to do that when the players aren't willing to take a chance on the club.� I understand why Kosta left but this decision is far harder to justify - partly because of how he has been used, partly because of�how he was acquired and partly because of where he wants to go.


Disappontment's not childish, but how you react to it can be. I'm sure the club's disappointed as well as the fans, but I sure hope they didn't call him a c**t or something along those lines when they found out about all this.

The second part of your post is the real critical issue for me - I think we all want to have young Kiwis at the club and playing for the first team, and the really big question is why we can't seem to do hold on to them?
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100% agree with you on the second point and it's why I'd like to hear more from those who have left/are leaving.  2 of the top 5 young players in the league are kiwis and neither will be playing at the NZ club.  That's a worry
 
Clearly the club needs to come up with some answers.  They are clearly not blameless
james dean2011-03-01 00:56:55

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james dean wrote:
� 2 of the top 5 young players in the league are kiwis and neither will be playing at the NZ club.� That's a worry


So. Much. This.
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By them you mean 2 players.
 
Kosta had players ahead of him in his position who were playing very well.He had a few games,didn't set the world on fire. He decided to leave. Perhaps if we had a youth/reserve side things may have been different.
 
Rojas is the opposite. He was injured,he got game time in the reserve side,came in to replace an injured player at a time the side wasnt playing too well. Seems to have finally hit his stride. Then leaves despite the fact he will in all probability be starting next season (For a side where he probably won't be)
 
I would love to know why Marco is leaving (if he is),I'm as clueless as the next guy. But don't make out like its a recurring problem,because there isn't any proof of that.

Allegedly

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The interesting fact? Both Kosta and Marco have played 21 games for the Phoenix, and scored 2 goals.

Btw, I'm still far from convinced by the Kosta had better players in front of him/didn't suit our style of play argument, but won't go there again.
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el grapadura wrote:
Btw, I'm still far from convinced by the Kosta had better players in front of him/didn't suit our style of play argument, but won't go there again.
 
I agree (a) with you and (b) that there is no need to go there again...
 
If you add in Smeltz and Moss you could potentially argue that the 4 best kiwis in the league don't play for the Kiwi team.

Normo's coming home

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Let's not over-analyse. Players move on for all sorts of reasons that aren't necessarily the club's fault. I'm not saying they are the best players in the league but Paston, Brown, Sigmund, Lochhead, Bertos are all examples of club stalwarts who have no problem turning out in Nix colours. 
 
Two young players deciding to leave hardly amounts to a crisis of confidence in club mangement.
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This thread has been very hard work to read, due to the sheer amount of stupidy on it.
 
I have managed it though, and think that I deserve some kind of reward for that.  How about a trail with the Phoenix?
 
My view?  Well thanks for asking.  He is obviously going to leave, so that is that.  The way he first got picked up by the club is irrelevant (although it will make a great story throughout his career) and he has done what he thinks is the best for his career so good luck to him.  He will get booed when he returns to the RoF and for the sake of national team (if he chooses to play for NZ) I hope he does well in all games for his new club except when he plays against us.
 
 

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Frankie Mac wrote:
This thread has been very hard work to read, due to the sheer amount of stupidy on it.
 
I have managed it though, and think that I deserve some kind of reward for that.  How about a trail with the Phoenix?
 
My view?  Well thanks for asking.  He is obviously going to leave, so that is that.  The way he first got picked up by the club is irrelevant (although it will make a great story throughout his career) and he has done what he thinks is the best for his career so good luck to him.  He will get booed when he returns to the RoF and for the sake of national team (if he chooses to play for NZ) I hope he does well in all games for his new club except when he plays against us.
 
 


You may well be right Frankie Mac. There's one thing about negotiating though...it ain't done till its done.
 If there is no signed contract then anything can change, and I suggest anyone with the means to positively influence this outcome can still do so, if they choose to. Get in there!


  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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The torrent of abuses heaped on Marco Rojas and his agent, his father, on this forum doesn't show the angsters in any good light either. It is understandable that even Marco wants to move on, if he is, but angsters have lost not only their cool, also their self respect and respect for aspiring players. Disppaointing.
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Prefer JD's passion regarding Marco, myself.
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i dont care about him leaving the Phoenix I just dont want him to NOT play for the AW


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meh - lol.


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AngusBeef wrote:
The torrent of abuses heaped on Marco Rojas and his agent, his father, on this forum doesn't show the angsters in any good light either. It is understandable that even Marco wants to move on, if he is, but angsters have lost not only their cool, also their self respect and respect for aspiring players. Disppaointing.
FFS its a bloody football forum,go visit a few others if you want to see what real angst is we are but babes.I dont condone the personal abuse but what is wrong with fans expressing angst when they get told one their exciting prospects is leaving.Some of this sh*t being posted lately seems like some of you want to bend over and kiss his butt again. 

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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reading smithy's comments in the paper today it seems like we should be happy he is leaving because Victory are certainly a bigger, arguably more stable club than the Phoenix

Normo's coming home

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You need to understand the mentality that has been hammered into New Zealander's over the last 10 years by negative, and mindless, media and politicians. We are repeatedly told that NZ does not compare with Australia - they get more money, they have more opportunities etc. Anyone growing up in the last 20 years has had this message drummed into them by the ignorant. This is widerthan Rojas, this is a case study for why young kiwis think they will be better off in Australia. Sure, the West Island is a reasonable place, but don't be so quick to put down your own country - it is pretty amazing too and as the Phoenix have shown, can offer talented youngsters a wealth of opportunity.

Pathetic. Not apathetic.

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At the end of the day, he has fulfilled his contractural requirements, and is (reportedly looking to move on). We have had the services of a star in the League at what whould amount to bargin basement rates  over the second half of this season.

The club has no qualms in allowing players to move on at the end of there contract if they no longer meet requirements of the club. As Brian Clough said, You are only here till I find someone better!

Sorry folks, it is professional football and the "lack of loyalty" goes both ways. Get over it.

All the b est Marco
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http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/197490,rojas-wanted-out-a-year-ago.aspx

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OK Summary time:
 
  • Marco leaving the Phoenix
  • Marco not leaving the Phoenix
  • Hard News is right therefore ruling himself out of ever working for the Doom Post!

Did I miss anything?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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C-Diddy wrote:
OK Summary time:
 
  • Marco leaving the Phoenix
  • Marco not leaving the Phoenix
  • Hard News is right therefore ruling himself out of ever working for the Doom Post!

Did I miss anything?

 
the most important one
 
Melbourne Victory are a far bigger and better club than us, and all our young players should go there.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Soley wrote:
Why don't you lot grow a set and start looking at why the club is losing the Marcos, Kostas and even Troy Hearfield.


... the weather's not as good as at Gosford?

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



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They have a purpose built stadium.
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Oh thank God, the Doom Post didn't actually quote any of the more st00pid posts. Smithy, did you pre-emptively contact them as damage control?

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



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was that Smithy from on here?????????????
 
I thought it was someone from the Victory.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Frankie Mac wrote:
was that Smithy from on here?????????????
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I thought it was someone from the Victory.


E + R + O

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james dean wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Btw, I'm still far from convinced by the Kosta had better players in front of him/didn't suit our style of play argument, but won't go there again.
 
I agree (a) with you and (b) that there is no need to go there again...
 
If you add in Smeltz and Moss you could potentially argue that the 4 best kiwis in the league don't play for the Kiwi team.
and they all played for the Nix and all left......
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This is all so confusing, my head's about to explode.
 
All I really need to know right now is:
 
a) should I be hating on Marco because he has left?, or
 
b) should I still be sending messages of love to Marco because he might be staying?
 
If the answer is b) then please re-open the "Please Stay Marco" thread so I can get to work with the digital blowjobs.
 
EDIT: and not the short-lived attempt by duffy7 last night, the other one.
terminator_x2011-03-01 09:17:01

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http://tvnz.co.nz/football-news/rojas-move-not-sealed-but-fans-vent-anger-4042603


So TVNZ...

Doesn't do humour...
An image of football hooligans burning cars with a caption that says "these are the scenes outside the Backbencher next time Rojas comes to town with his new teammates..." is one of the more extreme posts

Can't count or doesn't understand the word majority...
As of today, over 700 messages had been posted on the 'Marco - Embarrassing Angst Thread' with the majority slamming the star 19-year-old for his supposed disloyalty.

And doesn't care about the integrity of attributing quotes to the correct person...
"If he does this to the Phoenix he obviously does not care about playing for NZ - he can bugger off to Chile for all I care," wrote Threak.

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HarryPeters wrote:
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/197490,rojas-wanted-out-a-year-ago.aspx

Not convinced this is true.  last year he was injured/having surgery. Would a player really want to get out of a contract when he has no ability to show this ability to a potential new club?
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The thing that pisses me off the most about this thread is that all the people who are slagging Marco off and his dad have absolutely no idea what has gone on behind the scenes. All the attacks have been on Marco but has anyone stopped to find out what has actually gone on and questioned the clubs antics.
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Soley wrote:
The thing that pisses me off the most about this thread is that all the people who are slagging Marco off and his dad have absolutely no idea what has gone on behind the scenes. All the attacks have been on Marco but has anyone stopped to find out what has actually gone on and questioned the clubs antics.
 
If you know some of what has happened then please tell us.  That is a very easy statement to hide behind but unless you're going to tell us what you're getting at it is absolutely meaningless.

Normo's coming home

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