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Nix v WSW Sunday 4:30pm + ASB Prem Curtain Raiser + 10 millionth fan

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over 13 years ago

The possibility of the 10 millionth fan  going through the gates at this game v the Unicorns.   Curtain raiser between Youngheart Manuatu and Waikato FC.   Should be a good day at the RoF

I would put Waffles back into the starting XI.  Drop Fenton to the bench.  Hope Totori is going to be ready for this game.  I have a feeling he could get his first goal for the Nix.  Brockie better not have left his goal scoring boots in Perth. 

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over 13 years ago

 Fock yeah cant wait, already feels like too long since they last played at home. ASB prem a bonus too

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over 13 years ago


I feel a Prediction coming on........

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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over 13 years ago

Whilst the Nix have been away, we have had great weather. Odds on it being wet & miserable?

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over 13 years ago


How far away is Sanchez? And if he is fit, does he get in the team? I'd love to see him get a go in the middle of the park as when he was actually used in that role last year we were very good. If he was going to play you would have to fit him in a 4-2-3-1 with Manny and Smith/Lia sitting in front of back four and then Ifill/Sanchez/Brockie feeding Waffles?

Given how much better we have been with the three more defensive guys in the midfield this may be a step back but would be interesting to see if we could pull it off.

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over 13 years ago

surely you stick with the 4-3-3 that;'s been working in the away games.

same back four as always. Manny, Smith, Lia/Sanchez/Fenton in the middle and Ifill/Brockie/Stein up front.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 13 years ago

The Cornies have a very good away record - however I think we can do the business. To be honest I'd like to see Ifill starting from the bench as he hasn't been effective so far. I think perhaps 90' might be too much for him right now, and I could see him do well if he came on early in the 2nd half when legs are starting to tire..


Ideally I'd go like this:

                                         Pasty

          Loe      SeaMonster   Dura     BadTouchLocky

                                Lia          Moosecat

          Fenton              Smith      Brockie

                                   Waffles

                                       

Please don't think I'm being unkind to Ifill - I actually think we are not utilizing him well at the moment. Why ask someone who isn't 100% fit to run up and down the flanks for 90' when you could chuck him in during the 2nd half and he could do some damage?


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over 13 years ago

To be honest I'd like to see Ifill starting from the bench as he hasn't been effective so far. I think perhaps 90' might be too much for him right now, and I could see him do well if he came on early in the 2nd half when legs are starting to tire..


Nah he needs to start, hes been providing good service up front, and good cover dropping back. Hes covering good ground every week and being back at home we could see him on the score sheet again soon. With Sanchez still injured and Stein recovering, i dont see it being wise to bench Ifill.

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over 13 years ago

I agree that ifill shouldnt be covering that amount of ground. 

Also wont surprise me if we go back to a 4132 ish formation. 


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over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

I agree that ifill shouldnt be covering that amount of ground. 

Also wont surprise me if we go back to a 4132 ish formation. 

I think we will try the 4-1-3-2 again. Mooy should be away, so I don't don't think we need the 3 centre mids. I really hope they start Kresinger instead of Gibbs, they look so much poorer with him up front.
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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

Please don't think I'm being unkind to Ifill - I actually think we are not utilizing him well at the moment. Why ask someone who isn't 100% fit to run up and down the flanks for 90' when you could chuck him in during the 2nd half and he could do some damage?


Don't really agree with that. He's been in crap form and he knows it. His increased work rate is a good thing and it is his way of trying to play himself back into touch, or at least not being a passenger while he does so. He has generally gone better up front for us but if he is determined to play on the flank he just has to acknowledge he has more running to do.
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over 13 years ago

Drop Fenton for Waffles if we keep the same formation, although i'd rather we revert to a more attacking system.

Need more Manny... is been out played by Lia at the moment, which is surprising.

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over 13 years ago

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over 13 years ago


Hard to get a fix on where we are right now. If we take 4 points from every 2 away games, we win the League. So can't complain. Our midfields been hard to break down now Lia's back, and that's the way it has to be to get any reward away from home. Fenton's reminding me a bit in the last few games of Barbarouses running round like a headless chook when he was with us. But great energy and some pace. Not sure if he's that sure what his role is - seems to lack confidence at the mo. But back at home it should be different. No problem with Ifill starting. I honestly have no idea what his role is, apart from obviously being a roaming figure.  

However will be very disappointed if we don't come out to bury this next home game convincingly. Early days, and one of our better starts, but still can't forget how we were all over the Roar in that home game for the first 25 mins, then sat back to allowed them to play. Herbert totally misread that, as it's proven now, they are there to be had. As they were then. That's why Wellington fans (floaters) are so fickle right now.

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over 13 years ago

Sunday 2 Dec
High 20°C
Overnight 13°C

Dry. Northwesterlies.

Issued: 2:10pm 27 Nov

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Sunday 2 Dec
High 20°C
Overnight 13°C

Dry. Northwesterlies.

Issued: 2:10pm 27 Nov
Hats, Sunscreen and the Phoenix!
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over 13 years ago

Where's that forecast from? 

Says wind rain and Phoenix here

Fuck this stupid game

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over 13 years ago

http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington/wellington-city


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 13 years ago

Tipping a 3-0 victory - can we please see Cameron Lindsay on the bench (just once!)

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

playwithFire wrote:

I agree that ifill shouldnt be covering that amount of ground. 

Also wont surprise me if we go back to a 4132 ish formation. 


I think that would be a really, incredibly bad move from Herbert.  We've played our best football not just this year but over the last 3/4 seasons with a 3 man midfield.  We have periodically tried a 2 man midfield with various combinations (Brown/Lia, Brown/Manny, Lia/Manny, Manny/Smith) and it's never worked.  Not only that but it's also led to us playing awful lump it forward football.

I actually think the problem with it is our forwards aren't the kind to drop deep, receive the ball and spread the ball wide or carry on the play (for example how Rooney does for United).

We've got to stick with what works for us (and also get away from the idea that 2 forwards in 4-4-2 = more attacking formation, this is completely out of date thinking).  

Not sure what Fenton has done to be undroppable.  Not bagging him at all, I think he's done really well and shown bags of promise but no goals and no assist since week 1 isn't enough to keep Ifill out of the side.  
I think he needs to play with less pressure on him as well, bring him off the bench when there is less expectation, more a hope that he can contribute like with Boyd.  Plus that will help with his development, it's good for him to know what the requirement is, maybe go away and work knowing what he needs to really dominate at A-League level.

Normo's coming home

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over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

playwithFire wrote:

I agree that ifill shouldnt be covering that amount of ground. 

Also wont surprise me if we go back to a 4132 ish formation. 


I think that would be a really, incredibly bad move from Herbert.  We've played our best football not just this year but over the last 3/4 seasons with a 3 man midfield.  We have periodically tried a 2 man midfield with various combinations (Brown/Lia, Brown/Manny, Lia/Manny, Manny/Smith) and it's never worked.  Not only that but it's also led to us playing awful lump it forward football.

I actually think the problem with it is our forwards aren't the kind to drop deep, receive the ball and spread the ball wide or carry on the play (for example how Rooney does for United).

We've got to stick with what works for us (and also get away from the idea that 2 forwards in 4-4-2 = more attacking formation, this is completely out of date thinking).  

Not sure what Fenton has done to be undroppable.  Not bagging him at all, I think he's done really well and shown bags of promise but no goals and no assist since week 1 isn't enough to keep Ifill out of the side.  
I think he needs to play with less pressure on him as well, bring him off the bench when there is less expectation, more a hope that he can contribute like with Boyd.  Plus that will help with his development, it's good for him to know what the requirement is, maybe go away and work knowing what he needs to really dominate at A-League level.

If Sanchez get's through the ASB challenge, i think we should look to start him. Fenton and Totori off the bench, nothing like throwing a bit of pace at tired legs.
I also believe that Moss is due a start soon, not that Paston has done anything wrong, but he has just looked a little sluggish to me over the last few games
                                  MOSS
BERTOS         SIGGY          DURA             LOCHY
                      SMITH               LIA
                              SANCHEZ
IFILL                      WAFFLES          BROCKSTAR
Bench: TOTORI, FENTON, BOYD, PASTON

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

goldienz wrote:

 

If Sanchez get's through the ASB challenge, i think we should look to start him. Fenton and Totori off the bench, nothing like throwing a bit of pace at tired legs.
I also believe that Moss is due a start soon, not that Paston has done anything wrong, but he has just looked a little sluggish to me over the last few games
                                  MOSS
BERTOS         SIGGY          DURA             LOCHY
                      SMITH               LIA
                              SANCHEZ
IFILL                      WAFFLES          BROCKSTAR
Bench: TOTORI, FENTON, BOYD, PASTON
I love these posts when people try to shoe horn players to make it work and miss out the obvious, like Manny. That line up there would get destroyed for having zero starch.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 13 years ago

My preferred ideal line-up (this week and any other week, fitness permitting) would be;

                     Paston

Bertos-Sigmund-Durante-Lochead

                Muscat-Smith

           Brockie-Sanchez-Ifill

                 Huysegems


Bench: Moss, Lia, Fenton, Totori


Only two tough decisions in there: Lia or Smith in midfield, and Boyd or Totori for the last bench spot

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over 13 years ago

paulm wrote:

My preferred ideal line-up (this week and any other week, fitness permitting) would be;

                     Paston

Bertos-Sigmund-Durante-Lochead

                Muscat-Smith

           Brockie-Sanchez-Ifill

                 Huysegems


Bench: Moss, Lia, Fenton, Totori


Only two tough decisions in there: Lia or Smith in midfield, and Boyd or Totori for the last bench spot


Love this formation (with Ifill and Sanchez fully fit).
I'd still have Smith over Lia and Totori over Boyd on the bench.

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over 13 years ago

paulm wrote:

My preferred ideal line-up (this week and any other week, fitness permitting) would be;

                     Paston

Bertos-Sigmund-Durante-Lochead

                Muscat-Smith

           Brockie-Sanchez-Ifill

                 Huysegems


Bench: Moss, Lia, Fenton, Totori


Only two tough decisions in there: Lia or Smith in midfield, and Boyd or Totori for the last bench spot

This was essentially what I was expecting during pre-season..
Think Boyd & Lia arent perfect bench players - would like to see cam in there to cover every defensive spot, fenton to cover wide and central attacking if needed, and totori wide and up top


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over 13 years ago

A lot of people make comments like "when ifill is fully fit". How long will that go on?


He is fully fit.


His fully fit just isn't that fit...


He's a top-heavy lad with a bit of a lumbering running style and he just never looks fit. He's not much of a trainer apparently, he aint guna start running marathons and transform his body shape any time soon, this is just who he is. Some coaches probably wouldn't have a bar of it, and would demand more, but when he brings this much to the team and also has the guts to track back like he does, there's no arguments from me.


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over 13 years ago

I don't think the question is over his physical fitness but his health. Ifill was only truly healthy in his first season here, and has had quite a few injury worries subsequently, including the pre-season this year. He's also had quite a few injuries prior to his arrival here, and with this history and his age he's really unlikely to ever be the player he was in his first season here.

Having said that, a half-crook Ifill is still a quality player in this league, but I do think we need to use him more intelligently.

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over 13 years ago

Agreed on the most part, but it should be noted that physical fitness naturally brings health.


It's not a good sign if you play with a dodgy hamstring week after week - in most cases it's either broke and needs rest/fixing, or you just aint a fit guy and it niggles away at you. 


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over 13 years ago

paulm wrote:

Agreed on the most part, but it should be noted that physical fitness naturally brings health.


It's not a good sign if you play with a dodgy hamstring week after week - in most cases it's either broke and needs rest/fixing, or you just aint a fit guy and it niggles away at you. 


Don't think it's that simple, once you have structural damage the healing process may never be complete even with treatment, and the older you are the longer the healing process. Add into that the build-up of scar tissue around the injury site and the real possibility of re-injury (I think I read somewhere once that around three-quarters of sports injuries are simply re-injuries) and physical fitness isn't something that can help you out a great deal in such situations.

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over 13 years ago

paulm wrote:

My preferred ideal line-up (this week and any other week, fitness permitting) would be;

                     Paston

Bertos-Sigmund-Durante-Lochead

                Muscat-Smith

           Brockie-Sanchez-Ifill

                 Huysegems


Bench: Moss, Lia, Fenton, Totori


Only two tough decisions in there: Lia or Smith in midfield, and Boyd or Totori for the last bench spot

 

i like this line up..but  think i would like to see Moss in goal at this time mainly due to Paston seeming a bit tired (probably through all the travelling with the all whites) might do him good to have a week or two off

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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over 13 years ago

My first 3 years or so of 5-a-side gave me numerous calf strains, quad strains, sore hammies, and all sorts of little niggles. None of which were 're-injuries'. 

Then I lost some weight and got fitter (not necessarily fit, just less un-fit). The next 2 years of 5-a-side were completely injury free (and 're-injury' free) despite playing more and running more.


I wouldn't suggest that Ifill was the picture of health in his first season either. He seems to constantly hobble between plays, he's clearly just not a fit kinda guy. Ricki said he's the worst trainer he's seen, that is very telling.

I see what you're saying and agree there's merit in it, but Ifill is not very fit and probably never has been - you can't honestly say that wouldn't have any impact on his body. 

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paulm wrote:

My first 3 years or so of 5-a-side gave me numerous calf strains, quad strains, sore hammies, and all sorts of little niggles. None of which were 're-injuries'. 

Then I lost some weight and got fitter (not necessarily fit, just less un-fit). The next 2 years of 5-a-side were completely injury free (and 're-injury' free) despite playing more and running more. 

I wouldn't suggest that Ifill was the picture of health in his first season either. He seems to constantly hobble between plays, he's clearly just not a fit kinda guy. Ricki said he's the worst trainer he's seen, that is very telling.

I see what you're saying and agree there's merit in it, but Ifill is not very fit and probably never has been - you can't honestly say that wouldn't have any impact on his body. 


Soft-tissue damage is slightly different - generally easier to recover from. If you look in my original post I was talking about structural damage (i.e. bones and connective tissue injuries) which are probably more common in football.

Yeah, he probably wasn't, but that's when he was healthiest here. And he'd had a long history of injuries in England as well
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over 13 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:

Where's that forecast from? 

Says wind rain and Phoenix here

Metservice has now updated Sunday to Wind, Rain and the Phoenix now also.
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over 13 years ago

paullt wrote:
i like this line up..but  think i would like to see Moss in goal at this time mainly due to Paston seeming a bit tired (probably through all the travelling with the all whites) might do him good to have a week or two off


You mean apart from the key 4 or 5 decisions he made last week that saved clear chances?

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over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

paulm wrote:

My first 3 years or so of 5-a-side gave me numerous calf strains, quad strains, sore hammies, and all sorts of little niggles. None of which were 're-injuries'. 

Then I lost some weight and got fitter (not necessarily fit, just less un-fit). The next 2 years of 5-a-side were completely injury free (and 're-injury' free) despite playing more and running more. 

I wouldn't suggest that Ifill was the picture of health in his first season either. He seems to constantly hobble between plays, he's clearly just not a fit kinda guy. Ricki said he's the worst trainer he's seen, that is very telling.

I see what you're saying and agree there's merit in it, but Ifill is not very fit and probably never has been - you can't honestly say that wouldn't have any impact on his body. 


Soft-tissue damage is slightly different - generally easier to recover from. If you look in my original post I was talking about structural damage (i.e. bones and connective tissue injuries) which are probably more common in football.

Yeah, he probably wasn't, but that's when he was healthiest here. And he'd had a long history of injuries in England as well

fair call

I'll just add that I have structural damage in my leg, definitely worse than whatever ifill may have, yet the injuries still stopped when I lost weight and got fitter. Not that high a level of football obviously, but also not that high a level of fitness lol
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over 13 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:

Where's that forecast from? 

Says wind rain and Phoenix here

Metservice has now updated Sunday to Wind, Rain and the Phoenix now also.


Fucken weather.  Why are you not kind to us?  Hopefully it's WRONG.

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over 13 years ago

looking fwd to return of Sanchez at some point soonish

and that line up a few posts back would work - at home

I wonder how Ricki can get the "attacking" best out of an 'aging' Ifill ?

despite the crap deal we seem to have signed with the Met Service this season, a good win this wknd might lead to a good turn out for the other 2 pre-xmas matches

CMON U NIX!!!


 

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over 13 years ago

tigers wrote:

looking fwd to return of Sanchez at some point soonish

and that line up a few posts back would work - at home

I wonder how Ricki can get the "attacking" best out of an 'aging' Ifill ?

despite the crap deal we seem to have signed with the Met Service this season, a good win this wknd might lead to a good turn out for the other 2 pre-xmas matches

CMON U NIX!!!

Tigers I think thats really the best question I have seen asked and I think we will find out what kind of coach Ricki is. He has a talent in Ifill that has given us a shop window of what he can do. While he is aging and not at the same level we have seen (people can debate if thats fitness/injury/form) how does he get the best out of him to help the Phoenix? I can tell you I haven't a clue what the best scenario is.

I would also not underestimate that the rest of the league have seen him enough now to be guarded against the cut back so thus eliminating his main trick on the ball.

For the Phoenix to be successful, how do we get the best out of Ifill? Is that really the position we are in?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 13 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:

Where's that forecast from? 

Says wind rain and Phoenix here

Metservice has now updated Sunday to Wind, Rain and the Phoenix now also.


Fucken weather.  Why are you not kind to us?  Hopefully it's WRONG.

Victoria Uni Weather is generally a lot more accurate than metservice or any other forecast we've observed, particularly with long range forecasts. 

Fuck this stupid game

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over 13 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:

TopLeft07 wrote:

Where's that forecast from? 

Says wind rain and Phoenix here

Metservice has now updated Sunday to Wind, Rain and the Phoenix now also.


Fucken weather.  Why are you not kind to us?  Hopefully it's WRONG.

Victoria Uni Weather is generally a lot more accurate than metservice or any other forecast we've observed, particularly with long range forecasts. 


Crud.  There goes a decent crowd.  Does this mean they will make a call on the curtain raiser game moving to another ground sooner rather than later?

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