Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

what have you said?

Or they could, you know, be straight with the fans and tell the fudgeing truth.

Anyone got a link to this afternoon's Jason Pine interview on Radio Sport? Can't find it. Maybe it hasn't been uploaded yet.

So Pine said owners are bull shark artists, lying/deceiving the fans and not be trusted at all?

That no blame rests with FFA?

Here: https://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2018.05.14-14.30.00-S.mp3

I wonder whether you are deliberately missing the point. You don't believe Morrison and Dome. You believe a different story. That is your right. But what you are saying is that you want Morrison and Dome to come out and confirm what you think you already know. If they say something different, you'll say they're lying again.

It could be, could it not, that they are already telling the truth and you've been sucked in by FFA propaganda? Just possibly?

In short yes, he said that they need to forget the FFA, What ever happens there, happens

That they need to get their own house in order ànd stop blaming others 

And that what they are doing by talking about mergers etc will destroy the club

Didn't call the owners liars but said the goal posts have moved in the last couple of days

That may have however been a nice way of saying it

Yes, really interesting interview. I thought Pine was on fire. Basically, he reckons the Nix should go back to being a football club, striving to hire the best people, and aiming to win games as the best way to re-enthuse their disgruntled fan base. Hard to argue with that.  

Not that it was ever in question, but hearing Piney's emotion and decibel level on the issue means a lot. He's the most consistently trustworthy voice the Phoenix have at the moment.

We're all feeling it to some degree. We might be uncovering the real fact of what and why the Phoenix have got it so wrong many times : No leadership. Everyone is looking down at the their shoes and waiting for the misery to land on their shoulders.

I miss the old days when Tony P would come on to the forum and alleviate issues and you could actually sense he was 100% committed to the badge and the human beings that chose to support his club. I don't mean to rag on Domey but wasn't he part of the marketing department who was then keen enough to try his hand at the role when it was vacated? Hell of a time to be alive as a general manager of a football club. Nice guy? Of course. Out of his depth? Probably. I look forward to Domey's memoirs one day when a Nix shirt is all but a faded painting shirt from days gone by.

The need for somebody who can wholeheartedly link between community > fans > players > management > board is needed now more than ever because this debacle has a been a magnifying glass on the directionless communication and leadership that has seemed to slip into our identity as a club.

Hard to argue! Perth Glory's scored a good one with their recent hire of Tony P.

Welnix should stop taking these meetings and concentrate on important things like signing a coach and recruiting players.

Idea of shared games across to cities with a massive body of water seperating them is moronic.

If a part merge occurs, the club in Wellington will eventually die.

Hire a f'n coach for fudges sake.

Really need that unenforse button setup! Didn’t mean to Endorse.

Didn’t hearvinterview. Like Pine. 

However see it as owners damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Fully entitled to seek out investors and cash. Mostly they are keeping this quiet ie not talking about it, which sounds like what Pine wants. There will also be lots of commercial sensitive stuff going on, that for now can’t be disclosed. However leaks keep coming from FFA  and others via Oz media. 

Then owners are criticised for not talking about it more, and fans rightfully are uncertain. But then folks say stop talking about.

have a listen to the interview before making the above comments if you like and respect Pine

He certainty didn't say any of the above 

My sports business is failing lets sit on our hand try and find players coaches prepared to move to hell for a 1 year make or break season even though 2 is on offer. Because if first fails ther no road home. 

I don't see Rob sitting on his hands he looking at ALL options and being undermined at every corner (Never good at those any way)

question from Piney - why are they having meetings like this when they should be finding a coach and players?

selling/merging/shared agreement = getting others involved. Either way a club across two cities is fudgeing daft. No club identity means no club and should be blocked by FFA.

Club needs to be open and honest and sell 100% if they want to sell, not to death by 1000 cuts. Focus on the now, get a coach, sort the players and try to be like Newcastle.

Club should instill some pride back in our club so the fans dont have to hide in the loo every monday for the first hour of the day.

classic!

Sorry Blew but where in the world is there any sporting franchise that has split their ownership not only between 2 cities but 2 countries. Just the fact that Welnix have entertained this idea shows they really havnt learnt much about running a football club or what  a club means to their fans.They may be clever business men but they dont seem to get that running that same model over a football team may not work especially in the market they are in

Even in the off-season this clubs a roller-coaster! Wasn't too long ago we were praising Morrison/Dome for swinging back at the media, now it's back to lamenting WelNix. I hope in a couple of years we can look back at this and laugh with a club still playing in Wellington... 

Will Welnix keep putting their money into the club for the next two years if they cant find some sort of outside investment, if they view their licence as worthless in two years ?

If they cant get outside investment would they shut down the Phoenix before the start of next season rather than poor more money in with no return?

My big question is-have we just witnessed the last season of the Phoenix? 

The lack of faith and trust in Welnix to

a) not sell the club

b) find a new coach before ooh, October

c) sign the players we need to compete

d) replace the players we had 

e) communicate this to us

f) deal with the complete sharkshow that is the Fox Sports FFA A League

is pretty heavy right now.

Relax everyone. 

I just searched for "TVs" and "Welnix" on TradeMe and got zero results!

As you were...

Or they realize it's not really working and to sell up and let another bunch of people remove the "Wellington" from Wellington Phoenix so they don't look like the bad guys? To be fair can you blame them? They've given it a good go but there's some much against them. 

They don't make any money. 

They had a recent coach who is considered very good, (Ernie), who imploded and left.

They hired another one who was rubbish who thankfully left. 

They hire marquee players who just go to pieces when they get off the plane at Wellington Airport.

Their Wellington sports Mega-facility never got going.

They've never addressed the homegrown media disinterest apart from that one attempt with Daniel doing the cooking segment on breakfast telly, (Actually that was under the two T's and he was a natural).

They've never managed to get the crowds consistently in. (mind you everyone is struggling)

They never got a new stadium planned yet alone built. 

New Zealand football never liked them.

I've got no idea what they want to achieve at the moment. Prizing the FFA's fingers off the A league seems to be the big thing and it's killing us in the media. 

Personally I like the angst it means people are interested. I can't have complete faith in what is essentially a group of business men who are losing money and losing patience with all the crap that goes with running a football club. Morgan basically said he's over it a couple of months ago. 

I agree. Completely grateful to Welnix, but can't expect them to be so involved constantly. Pity we missed Tony P

I reckon some are in la la land; "just need to hire a top coach, spend money on decent players and marketing, and everything will be fine."

There is no long term future of the club with the current governance no matter how many Terrys and Tony Ps you have.

Given there is very little that the club can actually do about the governance - surely it is imperative they do something about what the can actually influence. Planning and preparing for next season is key!

I don't think the split country model is a serious proposition for a minute. Someones playing games

Hay team - look at the media in Oz - The biggest game #FFA/Lowy v #A-League/Federations. Media and FFA are pumping shark across the Creek to WgtnPhoenix. Take a look at a few of the media forums and they are lapping it up like it #PrimeKangarooSteak 

My comments, were based on your summary of Pine's interview.

Anyway listened to the interview - and nothing changes. It's not the owners who are speaking openly about these merger/equity talks call them, what you will, it's leaks from Australia. Again they are within their rights to find cash investors from somewhere. I'm very sure they wish these stories were not out in the public domain, and for now were kept confidential. Cheers Mr Gallop.

50% of the games in Australia is plain stupid - but I don't think owners for a second are considering such a setup. Just a Chinese whisper gone mad. But yes if they did such a deal they should all just resign.

Re coaching thing, I think the slapper was their man. Down to 2 candidates, they were waiting for the A League to finish blah blah. 

If true the guy was a complete idiot to do what he did - he'll never go close to getting a head coaching gig in the A League again.

Just sign Des and get on with it.

There are no cash investors though. Our owners have spent the last month telling anyone who'll listen that the A League is bust. The only thing of value is the license

We will see.

Kiwi Keith Keep the Ozzies entertained

 I wonder how the "Yellow Fever" are reacting to this news. Sure most of them are a bunch of "plonkers," but there's also one or two passionate and knowledgeable football brains among them. What beats me is how the local NZFA can put Women's Football on an equal footing with men. Surely fans are more interested in the A-League than a proposed W-League? 

Its just who Dulores will be come a " fanatic / till I die " fan of that worries me ....

Will no one think of the children ?

Careful, it was thinking of the children that got you that restraining order

If the metrics for the first of the 4 years (of 10yr licence) is proving difficult to achieve, how much more difficult will the remaining 2 extension metrics be? What happens if we magically get to the last extension period, the FFA put even more ambitious goals for the extension beyond 10yrs?

Where's Lonegunmen to organise a protest at Welnix offices?

No, seriously. Although I personally prefer to believe that Welnix are doing the best they can and will never agree to some of the stupid merger ideas being floated, I honestly think a nice public demonstration of support for the Nix / polite indication of fan sentiment to Welnix will (a) show the media that we still care; (b) burn off some of the energy being channeled into angst on this forum.

A week ago on here Morrison and Dome, get widespread praise about coming at swinging against the FFA, and an approach of if we go down, let’s at least go down fighting.

Now a week later Gallop and Aussie media (who have been shown up previously for not always publishing truth about the Nix), leak/publish a story about a meeting, where we really don’t know at all what was fully discussed. Gallop leaks just enough info, for many to believe the Nix are off to Sth Western Sydney. Master stroke from Gallop really. Wonder whether anyone from FFA has a peak at this forum.