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Phoenix Transfer Speculation 2012/13

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On current form I'd argue that it wouldn't be an improvement. 

The designated scapegoat isn't as bad as the unwashed masses go on about and - to use a popular phrase - Manny is currently honking.

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Hard News wrote:

On current form I'd argue that it wouldn't be an improvement. 

The designated scapegoat isn't as bad as the unwashed masses go on about and - to use a popular phrase - Manny is currently honking.

Is Manny honking equal to Downey honking?

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Got lost with the Badger post earlier, but what about O'Keefe as a bench keeper for next season? I know Basalaj is highly rated, but would sitting on the bench help his development.

O"keefe didn't look out of place at the Olympics, and has had a recent AW call up but don't think he will get a MLS deal.

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Hard News wrote:

On current form I'd argue that it wouldn't be an improvement. 

The designated scapegoat isn't as bad as the unwashed masses go on about and - to use a popular phrase - Manny is currently honking.

Yeah good point. Was thinking more when Manny played there as his injury replacement. He was quite tidy then. 

Fuck this stupid game

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Got lost with the Badger post earlier, but what about O'Keefe as a bench keeper for next season? I know Basalaj is highly rated, but would sitting on the bench help his development.

O"keefe didn't look out of place at the Olympics, and has had a recent AW call up but don't think he will get a MLS deal.



Massive cock up aside, O'Keeffe was quality. Thought he might've gotten a deal after the tournament but apparently not.
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I know he was asked a straight up question but I was a little disappointed to hear Ricki criticising Lochhead, especially when you consider how few of the players have performed with any consistency. Generally I don't like hearing coaches singling out players for blame.

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Hard News wrote:

Sackofspuds wrote:

Speaking of O'Keeffe, just had a look at his team the Fairfield Stags. Kiwis galore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield_Stags_men%27s_soccer



I couldn't see the current squad there?

Current squad has Adam Cowen, Johnny Raj and O'Keeffe all in their last years.


More referring to the award-winning kiwis from both current and previous seasons.
Aaron Kingi (2001)
Danny Atwell (2003)
Roger Noll (2001)
Michael O'Keeffe (2011)

Jonny Raj (2011)
Must be a Fair few others that weren't selected for All Star teams as well.
US College system real breeding ground for NZ Football.


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Outpost wrote:

I know he was asked a straight up question but I was a little disappointed to hear Ricki criticising Lochhead, especially when you consider how few of the players have performed with any consistency. Generally I don't like hearing coaches singling out players for blame.


I guess it had to be said, and the writing is kind on the wall given th new signing.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Outpost wrote:

I know he was asked a straight up question but I was a little disappointed to hear Ricki criticising Lochhead, especially when you consider how few of the players have performed with any consistency. Generally I don't like hearing coaches singling out players for blame.



Scapegoat I reckon. True but Ricki is just trying to shift the blame and take some heat off himself.
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 If they had signed Hoggy for 18 months maybe but as it's just a three month deal (like he had in portland) I think it is a lot more open than that.

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Hard News wrote:

 If they had signed Hoggy for 18 months maybe but as it's just a three month deal (like he had in portland) I think it is a lot more open than that.


I think he probably wants to see whether Lochhead is actually done permanently, or whether the lack of competition has lead to him cruising...

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james dean wrote:

Hard News wrote:

 If they had signed Hoggy for 18 months maybe but as it's just a three month deal (like he had in portland) I think it is a lot more open than that.


I think he probably wants to see whether Lochhead is actually done permanently, or whether the lack of competition has lead to him cruising...


Wouldn't say he's been cruising. He is what he is and I don't think he can offer much more, competition or not.
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 I wouldn't be surprised if Hoggs only signed a 3 month deal to allow himself to follow Nelson to Toronto. I think if Hogg plays well early on Ricki will snap him up for another year or two straight away.

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Manny can stay. If we're going to play tiki-taka Manny should be capable of playing the destroyer role in a midfield 3. Would be to have direct competition for him though. He's had two fantastic seasons, if we give him less work to do, less to think about, he should return to form.
What about Smith getting Australian citizenship? if that happens I would keep him, other-wise replace with a better import.
When people complain about Smith and Totori not being good enough for import slots, are you remembering that we weren't planning to fill them all this season and they probably don't get paid much?
Would be good to see improvements on any player, but where are they coming from and how much money do we have to spend?

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NHpeter wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I have to laugh because everyone has called for a clear out yet we are advocating re-signing the same players that are off contract.This forum is a funny place sometimes.

Individual people do not represent the opinion of everyone on these forums. People are allowed to have differing opinions, there's nothing 'funny' about that. One of my pet hates of this place is one person posting something, another person agreeing with them, and then all of a sudden some people assume that because two people agree, everyone on the forum agrees. 


Or seeing the same person in every thread commenting on most things
Not touching that smelly bait :o)

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Fitzy wrote:

I wonder whether Manny will have ended up shooting himself in the foot by insisting on the switch to DM. After realising that Leo is actually a decent RB and with Manny having proven himself less than spectacular so far, Ricki and co. could end up deciding he is surplus to requirements. Might not happen but definite possibility imo.

We assume he made this demand. Its never been reported that he asked for that specific role (as far as I have read)

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So everyone sounds like they want a "ball playing" attacking midfielder to be signed?

But what about the holding deeper midfielder who is actually the crucial linchpin in a fluid passing system? Or will manny suddenly wake up next season feeling like sergio busquets?


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Thats kinda the point I made earlier in another thread that El Grap and I were discussing. 1 person is not going to fix this team... 

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Manny will be gone next season IMO. Likely destination will be Heart. Hisnhead obviously isn't in it being away from his newly born.

a.haak

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valeo wrote:

Manny will be gone next season IMO. Likely destination will be Heart. Hisnhead obviously isn't in it being away from his newly born.

He's not off contract though. Only way out would be for us to release him.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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or export him to china!


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I think its a bit premature to say manny is done with...

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Manny has been solid for his entire 100 games except his last 12. I put it down to form, formation, a kick in the ass, focussing on kicking things that are actually round, full of air and have a 'FIFA approved' stamp on it, and perhaps a position change to RB (next year) to do the job. He is also only 28 so hitting his prime now (hmmmm)

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yeah think manny is still a quality player 


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Even quality players have form slumps... look at Broich this year. 


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The reason Manny is struggling this season is the same reason why pretty much everyone else is

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AJ13 wrote:

The reason Manny is struggling this season is the same reason why pretty much everyone else is

and that is? If you have a suggestion, spit it out. It seems no one else knows why he is in a form slump or it would have been fixed and he would not be in a form slump any more...

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Sackofspuds wrote:

Outpost wrote:

I know he was asked a straight up question but I was a little disappointed to hear Ricki criticising Lochhead, especially when you consider how few of the players have performed with any consistency. Generally I don't like hearing coaches singling out players for blame.



Scapegoat I reckon. True but Ricki is just trying to shift the blame and take some heat off himself.

This
Teflon Herbert.....nothing sticks. 
I agree, don't really like the coach singling out players. He should have played a straight bat to the question. He also had a bit of a poke at Siggy too.  Quite amazing how he has defleected the heat away form himself. The smoke screen provided by Gareth's total football request has helped him too.
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Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

The reason Manny is struggling this season is the same reason why pretty much everyone else is

and that is? If you have a suggestion, spit it out. It seems no one else knows why he is in a form slump or it would have been fixed and he would not be in a form slump any more...
lolol what? I actually laughed at this. Hes not a car that you can just take to mechanic and have it fixed so its running new again. Theres no magical form slump doctor out there any where who can sprinkle fairy dust around the changing rooms pre match and heal everyone before they take to the pitch. Get real
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AJ13 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

The reason Manny is struggling this season is the same reason why pretty much everyone else is

and that is? If you have a suggestion, spit it out. It seems no one else knows why he is in a form slump or it would have been fixed and he would not be in a form slump any more...
lolol what? I actually laughed at this. Hes not a car that you can just take to mechanic and have it fixed so its running new again. Theres no magical form slump doctor out there any where who can sprinkle fairy dust around the changing rooms pre match and heal everyone before they take to the pitch. Get real
I think he is alluding to the fact you said there is a 'reason' on why his form is poor, what is that reason? If you know what the reason is it may be something that can be corrected/changed.
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Spit it out son

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

3 week break. Hopefully he comes back as the Manny of old.

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patrick478 wrote:

Even quality players have form slumps... look at Broich this year. 



Also Berisha, Portaloo, Fred, Liam Miller and even Flores. Ifill too.

Some of these guys have been carrying injuries but even so it's amazing to see so many of the league's top players performing well below their capabilities.
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Bullion wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

The reason Manny is struggling this season is the same reason why pretty much everyone else is

and that is? If you have a suggestion, spit it out. It seems no one else knows why he is in a form slump or it would have been fixed and he would not be in a form slump any more...
lolol what? I actually laughed at this. Hes not a car that you can just take to mechanic and have it fixed so its running new again. Theres no magical form slump doctor out there any where who can sprinkle fairy dust around the changing rooms pre match and heal everyone before they take to the pitch. Get real
I think he is alluding to the fact you said there is a 'reason' on why his form is poor, what is that reason? If you know what the reason is it may be something that can be corrected/changed.
Pretty much. How can you say that Manny's poor form and the reason why is the same for everyone? That basically implies you know what it is. If you do, spill. Otherwise you are just spouting... 

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Bullion wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

The reason Manny is struggling this season is the same reason why pretty much everyone else is

and that is? If you have a suggestion, spit it out. It seems no one else knows why he is in a form slump or it would have been fixed and he would not be in a form slump any more...
lolol what? I actually laughed at this. Hes not a car that you can just take to mechanic and have it fixed so its running new again. Theres no magical form slump doctor out there any where who can sprinkle fairy dust around the changing rooms pre match and heal everyone before they take to the pitch. Get real
I think he is alluding to the fact you said there is a 'reason' on why his form is poor, what is that reason? If you know what the reason is it may be something that can be corrected/changed.
Pretty much. How can you say that Manny's poor form and the reason why is the same for everyone? That basically implies you know what it is. If you do, spill. Otherwise you are just spouting... 
Its the current playing style, thought that was pretty obvious? Players like Brockie and Leo are starting to openly voice their opinions on it, admitting its something thats just been thrown upon them, finding out via the media first... etc. I think its funny hearing people cite personal dilemmas such as being too far away from his new born child... etc, with no basis on any such claims.
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I did say that players being away from their families can be a factor. Never said it was a dilemma.

Since you have found the reason, Ricki should revert back to route 1 football and everyone will return to form. (oh the irony in that statement as it would probably happen)


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What amazes me about this is that people think if we play route 1, we will be better. That involves passing the ball over a longer distance and is inherently less accurate than a short pass. 


I dont get that our players arent able to play the shorter ball...

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hepatitis wrote:

What amazes me about this is that people think if we play route 1, we will be better. That involves passing the ball over a longer distance and is inherently less accurate than a short pass. 


I dont get that our players arent able to play the shorter ball...


I dont think it is so much the inability to play the shortball,  it is an inability to play the shortball quick enough, meaning the space / the intended recepient is under pressure when they receive it. We are having the same problems in this regard that Victory did earlier in the year. They have now moved to the point their passing is quick and fluid and are looking quite good. Hopefully with further time our passing will develop. May be blind hope but.......
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