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Phoenix Transfer Speculation 2012/13

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
playwithFire wrote:
I think we should have a good hard look at Scotland. The pound is weak and their league is financially in a bigger mess at the moment with clubs like rangers and hearts falling down

Clearly we can compete if players like miller and Sutton are coming here. Sanchez was a reject there as well and he appears to be on the verge of another contract.


Isnt Spain also struggling? Sanchez said he knew of players looking for a future


Messi? Yes please!

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
arnies wrote:
joshyboy007 wrote:
How about this Phoenix line-up:

Ifill   -   New Striker   -   Brockie

            New Midfielder

      Smith    -   New Midfielder

Lochhead Siggy - Dura - Muscat

             Moss


Bench: Bertos, Pantelis, Lindsay, Paston


No. We need a new midfield, and greenie won't be playing (starting at least)


FixedLuis Garcia2012-04-12 23:28:20
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valeo wrote:
Brockie drifts out of games more than Leo, imo - would have him on the bench, especially if Pantelis is back and playing decent.


Pantelis has had to re-learn how to walk again over the last few months, I wouldn't be expecting much from him next season.
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Luis Garcia wrote:
arnies wrote:
joshyboy007 wrote:
How about this Phoenix line-up:

Ifill   -   New Striker   -   Brockie 

               Sanchez           

      Smith    -   New Midfielder

Lochhead Siggy - Dura - Muscat

             Moss


Bench: Bertos, Pantelis, Lindsay, Paston


No. We need a new midfield, and greenie won't be playing (starting at least)


Fixed
 
fixed to give sanchez the change he deserves in the centre, lets not spend the rest of the off season debating the need for too many new players.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I hate the 3 subs thing.
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joshyboy007 wrote:
I hate the 3 subs thing.
 
Totally agree...... don`t see the reasoning behind it
 
Unless it`s to do with travel costs ??
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TopLeft07 wrote:
Has anyone thought of what foreign players might be thinking when they are considering the A-League with the Gold Coast/Newcastle stuff leading all the headlines in the off season?
 
Beach...

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
this early in the off season I doubt it will matter, if it's all cleared up quickly.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
UK Kiwi wrote:
joshyboy007 wrote:
I hate the 3 subs thing.

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Totally agree...... don`t see the reasoning behind it

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Unless it`s to do with travel costs ??


IIRC it is to do with costs

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I find it stupid when they increase the salary cap, but dont think clubs can manage to pay a few hundred dollars more per week in travel. Makes no sense.

Allegedly

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
Bench probably needs a new defender as cover for Siggy/Dura axis.
 
Meh.
 
When have we ever needed cover for Siggy or Dura?
 
Oh yeah...

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
When have we ever had defensive cover on the bench...
The standard plan is to shift the a DM (lia) to a defensive position and one of the defensive players to the vacant position if necessary.
There's hardly ever defensive cover because its waste of a bench space, 98% of the time they won't get off the bench because its unnecessary and costs you a tactical change a fresh set of legs to potentially change the game.
You only have a keeper on the bench it could be disastrous not to, whereas its very dangerous to have defensive cover but the team could still function with a reshuffle and/or formation change.
You usually have cover in your squad rather than on your bench.

"Yellow Fever are fantastic – I have to say that"

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:


I find it stupid when they increase the salary cap, but dont think clubs can manage to pay a few hundred dollars more per week in travel. Makes no sense.


Because with inflation etc salaries always rise. # of subs is something the league can control. If they can save costs then they will. I guess that's the league's view on it.
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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
arnies wrote:
Tegal wrote:
I find it stupid when they increase the salary cap, but dont think clubs can manage to pay a few hundred dollars more per week in travel. Makes no sense. [/QUOTE]

Because with inflation etc salaries always rise. # of subs is something the league can control. If they can save costs then they will. I guess that's the league's view on it.

Yeah, salary cap is tied to CPI - an agreement between the PFA and FFA
[QUOTE=asmodeus_82] When have we ever had defensive cover on the bench...
The standard plan is to shift the a DM (lia) to a defensive position and one of the defensive players to the vacant position if necessary.
There's hardly ever defensive cover because its waste of a bench space, 98% of the time they won't get off the bench because its unnecessary and costs you a tactical change a fresh set of legs to potentially change the game.
You only have a keeper on the bench it could be disastrous not to, whereas its very dangerous to have defensive cover but the team could still function with a reshuffle and/or formation change.
You usually have cover in your squad rather than on your bench.

With the bench, I don't understand why there needs to be a compulsory GK substitute. Not only is it hardly used, if a GK sub is needed but not available it provides great entertainment watching an non-GK flap away. And if the bench is increased to 5, I would like to see one of those spots be compulsory u23.
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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
asmodeus_82 wrote:
When have we ever had defensive cover on the bench...
 
Durante and McKain kept Siggy on the bench for a while until McKain moved into a defensive mid position.
 

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If Pasty doesn't sign a new contract, would we want Reddy back? He has just been sacked by Sydney for the drunken flight over here incident.

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patrick478 wrote:
If Pasty doesn't sign a new contract, would we want Reddy back? He has just been sacked by Sydney for the drunken flight over here incident.
Yes (as a quality No.2)- but would he want to be here as back up to Moss? I think he sees himself as a No.1 
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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Reddy did amazingly well for us on the field. Not so sure about his influence off it. It's mainly unsubstantiated rumours but lets just say hearing he got pissed on the flight over wasn't a surprise. Based on his form for Sydney and Brisbane I wouldn't want a player like that. But given his performance for us you would have to give him a second look.

Edit: And you do sort of wonder what happened on the flight. It must have been more than having a couple of drinks to be considered a serious misconduct.rjmiller2012-04-13 15:45:53
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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
patrick478 wrote:
If Pasty doesn't sign a new contract, would we want Reddy back? He has just been sacked by Sydney for the drunken flight over here incident.


Pretty sure he will end up at West Sydney.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Zack Tiller is a young forward with a lot of potential.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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rjmiller wrote:
Reddy did amazingly well for us on the field. Not so sure about his influence off it. It's mainly unsubstantiated rumours but lets just say hearing he got pissed on the flight over wasn't a surprise. Based on his form for Sydney and Brisbane I wouldn't want a player like that. But given his performance for us you would have to give him a second look.

Edit: And you do sort of wonder what happened on the flight. It must have been more than having a couple of drinks to be considered a serious misconduct.
i've heard similar things.
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Bullion wrote:

With the bench, I don't understand why there needs to be a compulsory GK substitute. Not only is it hardly used, if a GK sub is needed but not available it provides great entertainment watching an non-GK flap away. And if the bench is increased to 5, I would like to see one of those spots be compulsory u23.


Ive always thought it should be an U23 player - makes complete sense. Even if they dont play, they can be part of the travel, game day experience and have a shot of coming on.

I also love how the Championship has reduced its bench as well so a few teams arent putting keepers on the bench.


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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
rjmiller wrote:
Reddy did amazingly well for us on the field. Not so sure about his influence off it. It's mainly unsubstantiated rumours but lets just say hearing he got pissed on the flight over wasn't a surprise. Based on his form for Sydney and Brisbane I wouldn't want a player like that. But given his performance for us you would have to give him a second look.

Edit: And you do sort of wonder what happened on the flight. It must have been more than having a couple of drinks to be considered a serious misconduct.
 
He spewed on the plane didn't he?  And then again on the bus to the hotel?  Lunched with Nix players instead of following instructions?

End of an era.  Vinnie - It's over.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I <3 Nix wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
Reddy did amazingly well for us on the field. Not so sure about his influence off it. It's mainly unsubstantiated rumours but lets just say hearing he got pissed on the flight over wasn't a surprise. Based on his form for Sydney and Brisbane I wouldn't want a player like that. But given his performance for us you would have to give him a second look. Edit: And you do sort of wonder what happened on the flight. It must have been more than having a couple of drinks to be considered a serious misconduct.

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He spewed on the plane didn't he?� And then again on the bus to the hotel?� Lunched with Nix players instead of following instructions?

Hadn't heard, but does make sense. Odd he had lunch with our guys. Wonder if Paston knew which way way their penalty takers were gonna go.
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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
asmodeus_82 wrote:
When have we ever had defensive cover on the bench...
The standard plan is to shift the a DM (lia) to a defensive position and one of the defensive players to the vacant position if necessary.
There's hardly ever defensive cover because its waste of a bench space, 98% of the time they won't get off the bench because its unnecessary and costs you a tactical change a fresh set of legs to potentially change the game.
You only have a keeper on the bench it could be disastrous not to, whereas its very dangerous to have defensive cover but the team could still function with a reshuffle and/or formation change.
You usually have cover in your squad rather than on your bench.


Why don't they try and find a defender, who can comfortably don the gloves in an 'ohsh*t' situation.

Then you've got both option covered.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
rjmiller wrote:
Reddy did amazingly well for us on the field. Not so sure about his influence off it. It's mainly unsubstantiated rumours but lets just say hearing he got pissed on the flight over wasn't a surprise. Based on his form for Sydney and Brisbane I wouldn't want a player like that. But given his performance for us you would have to give him a second look.

Edit: And you do sort of wonder what happened on the flight. It must have been more than having a couple of drinks to be considered a serious misconduct.


Can't remember which article it was, but he reportedly vomited on a team mate during landing..

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
playwithFire wrote:
Bullion wrote:

With the bench, I don't understand why there needs to be a compulsory GK substitute. Not only is it hardly used, if a GK sub is needed but not available it provides great entertainment watching an non-GK flap away. And if the bench is increased to 5, I would like to see one of those spots be compulsory u23.


Ive always thought it should be an U23 player - makes complete sense. Even if they dont play, they can be part of the travel, game day experience and have a shot of coming on.


Totally agree with this. A five player bench would also make games more interesting from a tactical perspective, allowing coaches to mix things up and experiment rather than sticking to the tried and true. Giving youth players a much greater chance of game time.
Would be a positive change to the league IMO.asmodeus_822012-04-13 17:01:20

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nah.Keep Pastie & Moss together 
hamezilla2012-04-13 19:18:45

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
Reddy did amazingly well for us on the field. Not so sure about his influence off it. It's mainly unsubstantiated rumours but lets just say hearing he got pissed on the flight over wasn't a surprise. Based on his form for Sydney and Brisbane I wouldn't want a player like that. But given his performance for us you would have to give him a second look. Edit: And you do sort of wonder what happened on the flight. It must have been more than having a couple of drinks to be considered a serious misconduct.


i've heard similar things.


I once ended up hanging out with Reddy for a few hours at a party where neither of us knew most of the people there. Have to say that night completely changed my view of him - he turned out to be a pretty cool guy actually. And he didn't drink at all (neither did I), come to think of it we were probably the only two sober people at the whole thing.
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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sounds to me that few hours with you may have done the poor guys head in and made him turn to drink

Auckland will rise once more

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Do we have Griffiths signed on for next season?
If not would Nexto Vujevich be worth a look?
Kiwi central defender, has represented both aus and nz at age group level.
Used to be part of GCU youth team.
If not for a youth slot a spot in the academy program perhaps?

"Yellow Fever are fantastic – I have to say that"

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asmodeus_82 wrote:
Do we have Griffiths signed on for next season?
If not would Nexto Vujevich be worth a look?
Kiwi central defender, has represented both aus and nz at age group level.
Used to be part of GCU youth team.
If not for a youth slot a spot in the academy program perhaps?
 
Didn`t make the cut for the NZ U17`s better Kiwis available
Griffiths a far better option
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UK Kiwi wrote:
asmodeus_82 wrote:
Do we have Griffiths signed on for next season? If not would Nexto Vujevich be worth a look? Kiwi central defender, has represented both aus and nz at age group level. Used to be part of GCU youth team. If not for a youth slot a spot in the academy program perhaps?

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Didn`t make the cut for the NZ U17`s�better Kiwis available

Griffiths a far better option




He played for Aussie U-17 and 18 according to the Herald.

"Yellow Fever are fantastic – I have to say that"

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
asmodeus_82 wrote:
UK Kiwi wrote:
asmodeus_82 wrote:
Do we have Griffiths signed on for next season? If not would Nexto Vujevich be worth a look? Kiwi central defender, has represented both aus and nz at age group level. Used to be part of GCU youth team. If not for a youth slot a spot in the academy program perhaps?

 

Didn`t make the cut for the NZ U17`s better Kiwis available

Griffiths a far better option




He played for Aussie U-17 and 18 according to the Herald.


From the FFA site:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:o-g0hpiT8Z0J:www.footballaustralia.com.au/goldcoastunited/players/Nexto-Vujevich/4835+Nexto+vujevich+australia&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz

Born and raised in New Zealand, Nexto moved to Australia five years ago and has already reached his first Australian cap in the Youth Olympics in 2009. Identified at an early age by the New Zealand Football Academy, Nexto weighed up his options of football success in Australia or New Zealand, and decided on the former with the success of the Hyundai A-League and the Qantas Socceroos. Nexto trained with Mike Mulvey at QAS and also undertook some trials with Brisbane Roar, before signing on with Gold Coast United in their inaugural National Youth League squad. Now a �senior� member of the NYL squad, he will be aiming to push on to put himself in the picture for a first team contract offer.






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