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Phoenix Transfer Speculation 2012/13

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Apparently Daniel is goooone. Couple of people on Twitter. Tried to cut his contract.

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
apparently rejecting 125k.

For a bit part player in a team that is aspiring for more, I hope he isnt rejecting that much. Love him as a person, but there are gonna be cheaper young kids whose spot he is taking. The one thing he offers is delivery


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bopman wrote:
Apparently Daniel is goooone. Couple of people on Twitter. Tried to cut his contract.
Would be a massive shock, isn't like he could go to another A-League team without being an import.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dani Sanchez seems slow to re-sign as well ??
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Piney tweeted Daniel is en route to Singapore to sort out a deal... good on him and the club. I wish him well and huge thanks for what he's given our club, team, and town over the years.
E + R + O

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Probably worked out AWs was a bridge to far..good luck to him.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bopman wrote:
Apparently Daniel is goooone. Couple of people on Twitter. Tried to cut his contract.


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
from the herald

Soccer: Daniel to leave Phoenix?

Popular midfielder Daniel may be on the way out of the Wellington Phoenix.

Daniel has flown out today for discussions with a Singapore club that has expressed an interest in his services.

He'll return to Wellington on Wednesday and will be available for the weekend's match against Central Coast.

Daniel is under contract until the end of this season, but it's understood the club wouldn't stand in the way of a move that would benefit him and his family.

The Brazilian has largely been used as a substitute this season, starting just eight of 21 A-League matches.


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Very sad to hear Daniel may be leaving us. But rather that than him taking up a sizeable chunk of the salary cap.

Best of luck to him if he goes and is still eligible for the AWs if Ricki so desires.



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Wibblebutt wrote:
Best of luck to him if he goes and is still eligible for the AWs if Ricki so desires.



He may not be, however - he's still a few months short of fulfilling the 5-year residence requirement, and if he departs NZ for Singapore before reaching the 5-year milestone, he'll be ineligible for the All Whites.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Better put Lonegunmen and Vickmeist on Suicide Watch.
 
 
I thought he was all ready to get citizenship and all that. How can moving to a brand new country help his family?
 
P*ssed off with no game time perhaps?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He's got citizenhip already, doesn't he? Think he got fast-tracked and got it around 2009 or so.

Guessing the club probably told him that he wasn't a big part of their plans going forward, so guess he has to find a way to make a living for his family.
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ForteanTimes wrote:
Better put Lonegunmen and Vickmeist on Suicide Watch.
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I thought he was all ready to get citizenship and all that. How can moving to a brand new country help his family?

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P*ssed off with no game time perhaps?


Surely he'd have gone a while ago if he was pissed off with no game time.

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ForteanTimes wrote:
Better put Lonegunmen and Vickmeist on Suicide Watch.
 
 
I thought he was all ready to get citizenship and all that. How can moving to a brand new country help his family?
 
P*ssed off with no game time perhaps?
I'm sure the money will help.
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ForteanTimes wrote:
Better put Lonegunmen and Vickmeist on Suicide Watch.
 
 
I thought he was all ready to get citizenship and all that. How can moving to a brand new country help his family?
 
P*ssed off with no game time perhaps?
 
                               
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el grapadura wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
Best of luck to him if he goes and is still eligible for the AWs if Ricki so desires.



He may not be, however - he's still a few months short of fulfilling the 5-year residence requirement, and if he departs NZ for Singapore before reaching the 5-year milestone, he'll be ineligible for the All Whites.

Could he not accumulate the remaining months living here in during the off season?
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ShowUsYaNix wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
Better put Lonegunmen and Vickmeist on Suicide Watch.
 

 

I thought he was all ready to get citizenship and all that. How can moving to a brand new country help his family?

 

P*ssed off with no game time perhaps?


Surely he'd have gone a while ago if he was pissed off with no game time.

 
Not as much as the first few seasons.
 
Hmmm, I thought he'd be more into the lifestyle rather than the cash but there you go, I guess Singapore is certainly none to shabby if Changi airport is anything to go by.

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Bullion wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
Best of luck to him if he goes and is still eligible for the AWs if Ricki so desires.



He may not be, however - he's still a few months short of fulfilling the 5-year residence requirement, and if he departs NZ for Singapore before reaching the 5-year milestone, he'll be ineligible for the All Whites.

Could he not accumulate the remaining months living here in during the off season?


The five years have to be continuous.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I don't think I have too much of an issue with this purely because it signals a possible intent to shake things up.

This forum has been awash with how we are an old team and have no new talent etc. Daniel is 32, he is a sub and if 125k is what he is turning down, he is not on a bad wicket in this part of the world for the mins played. No offence if he is off chasing that last big pay day and he will be missed, but we need to get younger at some point. Ferguson is a master of moving players on before they get past their use by date. Daniel is not there yet, but at 32, he's got 1, maybe 2 good years left for a notoriously lazy trainer. Its the same thing getting thrown as Greenie. If you want new talent, you have to start somewhere at some point in time. Looks like he might be first.
 
People also forget about Lucas Pantelis.... I doubt he would be cheap and its duplicity...
Jeff Vader2012-02-13 13:39:53

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Bullion wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
Best of luck to him if he goes and is still eligible for the AWs if Ricki so desires.



He may not be, however - he's still a few months short of fulfilling the 5-year residence requirement, and if he departs NZ for Singapore before reaching the 5-year milestone, he'll be ineligible for the All Whites.

Could he not accumulate the remaining months living here in during the off season?


The five years have to be continuous.

Could he 'work' overseas and 'live' in NZ as many people may do?
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Just look at the S-League website and they only appear to be 1 or 2 games into the season

I don`t know when their transfer window closes, but if it is similar to other leagues it would be a month in after kick off
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Really want Daniel to do well for himself where ever and what ever he is going to do, hope he comes back to Wellington one day if he goes.

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bullion wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Bullion wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
Best of luck to him if he goes and is still eligible for the AWs if Ricki so desires.



He may not be, however - he's still a few months short of fulfilling the 5-year residence requirement, and if he departs NZ for Singapore before reaching the 5-year milestone, he'll be ineligible for the All Whites.

Could he not accumulate the remaining months living here in during the off season?


Well, guess he could try, but don't think how FIFA would look upon that. Presume they would want some tangible evidence of his actual residence in NZ while 'working' in Singapore.

The five years have to be continuous.

Could he 'work' overseas and 'live' in NZ as many people may do?


Well, guess he could try it, but don't now how FIFA would look upon that. Presume they would want some tangible evidence of his residence in NZ while he was working in Singapore.el grapadura2012-02-13 13:54:12
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't think I have too much of an issue with this purely because it signals a possible intent to shake things up.



This forum has been awash with how we are an old team and have no new talent etc. Daniel is 32, he is a sub and if 125k is what he is turning down, he is not on a bad wicket in this part of the world for the mins played. No offence if he is off chasing that last big pay day and he will be missed, but we need to get younger at some point. Ferguson is a master of moving players on before they get past their use by date. Daniel is not there yet, but at 32, he's got 1, maybe 2 good years left for a notoriously lazy trainer. Its the same thing getting thrown as Greenie. If you want new talent, you have to start somewhere at some point in time. Looks like he might be first.
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People also forget about Lucas Pantelis.... I doubt he would be cheap and its duplicity...


My exact sentiments.

Pantelis will hopefully be an upgrade from Daniel. Plus it gives us cheaper youth options.

Turning down 125k seems unreasonable from his perspective but in a way, its probably about the right time for him to go. He doesnt have that much to offer the club anymore in my opinion, and realistically not what the All Whites need.

We may see him in the Singapore national team in 5 years!


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
playwithFire wrote:


Turning down 125k seems unreasonable from his perspective but in a way, its probably about the right time for him to go.



Probably suggests that he's on a fair bit more at the Phoenix at the moment, and not too keen to take a paycut.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
250k was the figure John Mattheson was throwing around on Twitter. On that now and club offering new deal at 125, you can see why he would walk really?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sad news

Allegedly

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Damn thats sad news. Expected him to play out his time in Welly. Hopefully he can put in a good word on our behalf if any Singaporian players look the goods
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bopman wrote:
250k was the figure John Mattheson was throwing around on Twitter. On that now and club offering new deal at 125, you can see why he would walk really?


I can see why he would with a 50 % cut, but realistically, that was a HUGE wage bill for a 32 yo sub.

Even 125k seems high to me. Thought he'd be around the 80k range by now.
Bring in some youth for around 50.


Seems like this is the consortium's doing, and from a financial point of view, its the right call.


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
and let them sit on the sideliens and do nothing as wel?l. 

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
FICA FICA FICA!!!!
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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I'd be v surprised if he was granted citizenship after being in the country 1 year as suggestion in the Dom Post online article. Permanent residency perhaps.

Citizenship is then granted once you have been a PR for 5 years

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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ginger_eejit wrote:
I'd be v surprised if he was granted citizenship after being in the country 1 year as suggestion in the Dom Post online article. Permanent residency perhaps.Citizenship is then granted once you have been a PR for 5 years



Enjoy your sense of surprise then, because his citizenship was pushed through quickly under special circumstances. At the time FIFA rules suggested that if his citizenship was fasttracked then he'd be eligible for the All Whites straight away, but after the rules changed he was no longer eligible until he'd been here 5 years.


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ShowUsYaNix wrote:
ginger_eejit wrote:
I'd be v surprised if he was granted citizenship after being in the country 1 year as suggestion in the Dom Post online article. Permanent residency perhaps.Citizenship is then granted once you have been a PR for 5 years



Enjoy your sense of surprise then, because his citizenship was pushed through quickly under special circumstances. At the time FIFA rules suggested that if his citizenship was fasttracked then he'd be eligible for the All Whites straight away, but after the rules changed he was no longer eligible until he'd been here 5 years.




This is exactly right - there is a way to fast-track citizenhip procedures if it is believed that such a course of action would prove of immediate benefit to NZ.

As you point out, Daniel's citizenship was fast-tracked in the belief that it would immediately make him eligible for the All Whites, but FIFA changed their regulations around that same time which made Daniel ineligible until later this year.
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If you take the speculation as true, the 250k this year for Daniel is high. Even he must know that a wage reduction was coming. Tie in that Manny was probably getting an upgrade, Ifill would have been on slightly reduced terms (as I think was mentioned in the media) Durante would have possibly gotten an upgrade, then looking around, he would be a prime target for a reduction based on place in the team. I wonder if the Welnix lot have bought a bit of 'price reality' to the table for some of this in comparitive worth across the squad. 125k I think is not a bad wicket again considering he would probably be behind Pantelis and Bertos, IF Ward sticks.. he slides. Its the reality of pro football.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Would much rather keep Daniel and send Bertos to Singapore.

Daniel should be starting over Bertos every week
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
If you take the speculation as true, the 250k this year for Daniel is high. Even he must know that a wage reduction was coming. Tie in that Manny was probably getting an upgrade, Ifill would have been on slightly reduced terms (as I think was mentioned in the media) Durante would have possibly gotten an upgrade, then looking around, he would be a prime target for a reduction based on place in the team. I wonder if the Welnix lot have bought a bit of 'price reality' to the table for some of this in comparitive worth across the squad. 125k I think is not a bad wicket again considering he would probably be behind Pantelis and Bertos, IF Ward sticks.. he slides. Its the reality of pro football.
 
It all comes down to market rates
 
The A league has a salary cap so there will always be a fair bit posturing to squeeze the combined squad numbers within that ammount.
 
With the developing Asian leagues, China, India, Thailand and Singapore I think you will find a lot more from the A League heading that way chasing potentially bigger wage packets 
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Right decision/action by the club
 
However just feel a bit sad to see him go...
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