Phoenix Transfer Speculation 2012/13

Tards really should appoint their manager before signing another attacking player. Unless they have settled on Magilton. I guess Solozarno will almost certainly be out the door.rjmiller2012-03-06 09:47:27

Given that Lindsay hasn't even got on the field yet, what is the point in bringing in another player like either of those? I just can't see them being used.

Different players, different roles.  What people are talking is injury cover for Daniel up front that isn't Pav.

Already said it but don't rate Golgol - has a brilliant name but that's about it. Against us was the closest he has looked like scoring.

I agree. Mind you, would rate him ahaed of Pavlova

Agree with that too. Though Pavlova has scored.

Think people are dismissing Pav too easily - he's one attacking player in the squad that has some pace, and has decent off-the-ball movement, whereas we tend to be either quite static or run in very straight lines which are pretty easy to defend. Ifill's the only one in the starting line-up who offers something different, but he's clearly done for in terms of pace, and is often targeted by the opposition's defence as our most potent player which also reduces his effectiveness.

Obviously Pav has some issues when actually in possession of the ball, but as of right now he provides a point of difference that can be useful.

Pace is all he has.. Have seen enough of him now to know he is not the answer for us.  His movement off the ball is often aimless and he seems to me to be a lazy defender.

...and he's mental.

His run led to the second goal on Sunday - nothing aimless about that. He was on the field for 15-20 minutes, and got himself in 3 goal-scoring situations, two of which he admittedly fluffed badly, and one of which eventually led to our goal. But of course, he's rubbish.

On the other hand, Greenacre, the Lord, hasn't been in a goal-scoring opportunity for what seems like 3 games now, but of course he's still the model professional and the maybe even the best player ever to don a Nix shirt. After all, he runs a lot and chases the defenders (of course, he never needlessly wastes his energy doing this!), and that's exactly the kind of forward we need.

I guess I'll never really understand how the mind of a football fan works.

A bit harsh when he has to do Tim Browns job aswell....

Yeah, but Smith or Lia are there to cover for Brown as well. The reality is that fans are much more forgiving on some players (i.e. Greenacre) than others.

Greenacre does the job he is being asked to do very well.

Could GolGol be being signed as injury replacement for Daniel. I'm sure there something about not taking players from other clubs, but it seems the club formerly known as Gold Coast could be seen as an exception to the rule.

The FFA may make a special dispensation here as they have a bunch of players they need to get into other clubs fast, otherwise they have to pick up the bill for them next year

from the article on The World Game:

"The FFA has agreed to honour the contracts of Mebrahtu, Barker-Daish, Halloran and Harold � who all had deals extending to April 2013 under Palmer � in the event they do not find new clubs."

I wouldn't mind seeing Gol Gol in a stripey.

There's no transfer window at the moment so no unless the FFA has done something pretty unethical.

You do have to question whether Greenie is a good use of an import slot for next season though.

Can you do that? What's the point of having a set transfer period/non-transfer period if you can just circumvent it?

Showing my naivety of the whole transfer rules.. does a injury replacement player have to be, effectively, unemployed to be able to be brought in?

And can loans only happen during the transfer window?

Could they release him from his temp contract with FFA (i'm assuming that they had to sign something with their new 'club' as their old ones would have all been out the window), therefore allowing him to sign as injury cover? Assuming they have to be unemployed.

I assume you can release players at anytime, and that you can sign unattached players at anytime?

Again, sorry for my lack of knowledge of the transfer rules.

You might be right. Apparently the Tards did just this with Nik Mrdja a couple of years ago.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=740148&sec=australia&root=australia&cc=3436

It was frowned upon but legal. Don't know if the FFA have changed this or not. Complicating factor here is that the player should be playing for another club but in this case it is the FFA who are paying the wages. I still think this would be somewhat unethical.

Oh I remember that!

Still, just wondering if there'd be a little more.. flexibility, due to these players unusual position.

Be interesting to see.

It depends when the transfer window was back then. This season it closed on 14th Feb, so players would have to be free agents or 'amateurs' from the aussie state leagues/ASB premiership I would assume.

CARLOS Hernandez, Melbourne Victory's sole Johnny Warren medallist, could wear enemy colours next season.

Adelaide United and Sydney FC are two of three A-League clubs ready to pounce as Victory appears prepared to cut loose Kosta Rican ace Hernandez in a bid to make room in its salary cap to rebuild.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/soccer/melbourne-victory-preparing-to-lose-star-midfielder-carlos-hernandez/story-e6frfg8x-1226289834586

Could we be the 3rd? We have a marquee spot available, if we are allowed to spend some of the owners cash. Would mean we probably wouldn't be able to re-sign Dirty tho.

Hernandez wouldn't be able to cope with our training facilities.

I recall reading not too long ago that there was a possibility that Greeny could gain residency. You would assume this could also be a possibility for Ifill, assuming he is interested, as they joined the club at the same time.

No thanks.

Residency does not come  into the equation does it? I thought it was citizenship and a time period?

If they make it on the pitch..

I would say that's exactly what they'd do. Then he'd be a free agent so then it wouldn't matter about the transfer window as it wouldn't technically be a transfer.

Just look at Nelsen's switch to Spurs from Blackburn for an example of this happening.

Would be very happy with Mebrahtu at the Nix. Think he could do a great job as AM instead of Sanchez, who seems to have completely lost his mojo (albeit playing out of position).
Wibblebutt2012-03-06 14:42:07

Nelsen needed to be released within the transfer period for that one.

was talking to alex on sunday before the game and he said the same thing waiting till end of season and trying to put his best foot forward in the hope of getting resigned but will not know for sure until after the season is done and dusted.

Without trying to kick the hornets nest: Was the fact we didn't have a youth team cost related, or 'rules' related (eg only Australian teams can have a youth team, or ACL specification) when it came to the A-League?

I really do hope next season we have a youth setup sorted.

Potentially both. The Australian government funds the youth league for the Australian teams, they are not going to include us in that. Even if we were prepared to pay the costs (which are probably quite high) the FFA may not really want that because of the increased logistical problems. We are not part of the FFA cup for instance.

However after seeing some of the youth league games I've changed my opinion and think it would actually be better to play against the ASB teams. The standard is probably higher, it would help develop NZ football, it would be cheaper, we get to scout for players which other teams can't get as easily and the logistics are easier. Hopefully NZ football can help organise this for next season.

terminator_x2012-03-06 17:26:56

There are a lot of benefits of having a team in the NYL, such as up to 4 first team players can drop down to get game time and it basically expands your squad from the HAL max of 23 to include your NYL squad as well, so you can promote youth during the season. It seems that there are a lot hoops to jump through to be able to do the same with players playing in different federations/amateur-pro stand down etc.

With GCU potentially gone next season there could be a spot in the NYL, if a 'Nix team was based in OZ, no extra costs for OZ NYL teams than currently, and FFA/Aus Govt maybe pay costs only for Australians in our NYL team (maybe average cost per NYL player over league) and we are happy with the costs of extra staff and maintaining team in OZ, could be an option...