...Is he an upgraded DMac. How many goals did each score last season?
Cazarine 9 Dmac 7.... not much of an upgrade!!!
...Is he an upgraded DMac.� How many goals did each score last season?
Think he is - he's a better player than DMac, but misses a lot of chances.
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No, don't want him at all. Probably still counts as an import as well?
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...Is he an upgraded DMac. How many goals did each score last season?
Cazarine 9 Dmac 7.... not much of an upgrade!!!
Bruno has the ability to get into the right places, but misses loads chances that he really should score from. That is why he is in the A-League, not Europe.
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Left field.....The return of a more mature Greg Draper
It will be interesting to see how goes for the U23`s
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Bruno Cazarine - thoughts? Apparently available at the end of the season. Not going to change our style of play or get us playing more expansively but probably an upgrade on what we have and would fit in with our current style
I'd take him myself, assuming he didn't blow our budget. And would pick him in my side over DMac any day of the week.
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Left field.....The return of a more mature Greg Draper
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It will be interesting to see how goes for the U23`s
Would we really want him? Playing at a very low level in Europe, surely we should be aiming higher in our recruitment?
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Everyone (well, almost everyone) agrees that we should be "aiming higher" but who exactly are we aiming at/for?
The type of player who is going to fit into (and succeed) in Wellyfornia probably isn't going to be a player with any sort of profile; unless perhaps they're a Kiwi. But according to most there's no Kiwi's good enough for the Nix that are at a point where they'd be realistically likely to consider a move back home (Fallon, Killen, Boyens, etc have all been argued more against than for when mentioned) so, the likelihood is we get Kiwi's already in the league (Mossy, WeeMac, JB) and probably pay overs for them as they're proven successful and/or we go for lower profile imports (ie: Cazarine) or either journeyman/unproven Aussies.
Oh, and I s'pose there's Marco lol.
The type of player who is going to fit into (and succeed) in Wellyfornia probably isn't going to be a player with any sort of profile; unless perhaps they're a Kiwi. But according to most there's no Kiwi's good enough for the Nix that are at a point where they'd be realistically likely to consider a move back home (Fallon, Killen, Boyens, etc have all been argued more against than for when mentioned) so, the likelihood is we get Kiwi's already in the league (Mossy, WeeMac, JB) and probably pay overs for them as they're proven successful and/or we go for lower profile imports (ie: Cazarine) or either journeyman/unproven Aussies.
Oh, and I s'pose there's Marco lol.
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Looks like Traore from Gold Coast has signed for the Tards....wouldnt have minded him coming to us
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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Looks like Traore from Gold Coast has signed for the Tards....wouldnt have minded him coming to us
Couple more years and he gets an Aussie passport, and that opens up Asia for him.
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Everyone (well, almost everyone) agrees that we should be "aiming higher" but who exactly are we aiming at/for?
The type of player who is going to fit into (and succeed) in Wellyfornia probably isn't going to be a player with any sort of profile; unless perhaps they're a Kiwi. But according to most there's no Kiwi's good enough for the Nix that are at a point where they'd be realistically likely to consider a move back home (Fallon, Killen, Boyens, etc have all been argued more against than for when mentioned) so, the likelihood is we get Kiwi's already in the league (Mossy, WeeMac, JB) and probably pay overs for them as they're proven successful and/or we go for lower profile imports (ie: Cazarine) or either journeyman/unproven Aussies.
Oh, and I s'pose there's Marco lol.
The type of player who is going to fit into (and succeed) in Wellyfornia probably isn't going to be a player with any sort of profile; unless perhaps they're a Kiwi. But according to most there's no Kiwi's good enough for the Nix that are at a point where they'd be realistically likely to consider a move back home (Fallon, Killen, Boyens, etc have all been argued more against than for when mentioned) so, the likelihood is we get Kiwi's already in the league (Mossy, WeeMac, JB) and probably pay overs for them as they're proven successful and/or we go for lower profile imports (ie: Cazarine) or either journeyman/unproven Aussies.
Oh, and I s'pose there's Marco lol.
I agree with this sentiment, and would like to add that aiming higher doesn't necessarily ensure better results. Look at players who have been plucked out of relative obscurity and done well for the Nix: SigmUnd, Manny, Smith as examples off the top of my head. I think on this seasons form I would have any of those 3 over say, Rigters, for instance.
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Everyone (well, almost everyone) agrees that we should be "aiming higher" but who exactly are we aiming at/for?
The type of player who is going to fit into (and succeed) in Wellyfornia probably isn't going to be a player with any sort of profile; unless perhaps they're a Kiwi. But according to most there's no Kiwi's good enough for the Nix that are at a point where they'd be realistically likely to consider a move back home (Fallon, Killen, Boyens, etc have all been argued more against than for when mentioned) so, the likelihood is we get Kiwi's already in the league (Mossy, WeeMac, JB) and probably pay overs for them as they're proven successful and/or we go for lower profile imports (ie: Cazarine) or either journeyman/unproven Aussies.
Oh, and I s'pose there's Marco lol.
I agree with this sentiment, and would like to add that aiming higher doesn't necessarily ensure better results. Look at players who have been plucked out of relative obscurity and done well for the Nix: SigmUnd, Manny, Smith as examples off the top of my head. I think on this seasons form I would have any of those 3
The type of player who is going to fit into (and succeed) in Wellyfornia probably isn't going to be a player with any sort of profile; unless perhaps they're a Kiwi. But according to most there's no Kiwi's good enough for the Nix that are at a point where they'd be realistically likely to consider a move back home (Fallon, Killen, Boyens, etc have all been argued more against than for when mentioned) so, the likelihood is we get Kiwi's already in the league (Mossy, WeeMac, JB) and probably pay overs for them as they're proven successful and/or we go for lower profile imports (ie: Cazarine) or either journeyman/unproven Aussies.
Oh, and I s'pose there's Marco lol.
over say, Rigters, for instance.
But then there is Paul Ifill and Andrew Durante..
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Everyone (well, almost everyone) agrees that we should be "aiming higher" but who exactly are we aiming at/for?
The type of player who is going to fit into (and succeed) in Wellyfornia probably isn't going to be a player with any sort of profile; unless perhaps they're a Kiwi. But according to most there's no Kiwi's good enough for the Nix that are at a point where they'd be realistically likely to consider a move back home (Fallon, Killen, Boyens, etc have all been argued more against than for when mentioned) so, the likelihood is we get Kiwi's already in the league (Mossy, WeeMac, JB) and probably pay overs for them as they're proven successful and/or we go for lower profile imports (ie: Cazarine) or either journeyman/unproven Aussies.
Oh, and I s'pose there's Marco lol.
I agree with this sentiment, and would like to add that aiming higher doesn't necessarily ensure better results. Look at players who have been plucked out of relative obscurity and done well for the Nix: SigmUnd, Manny, Smith as examples off the top of my head. I think on this seasons form I would have any of those 3
The type of player who is going to fit into (and succeed) in Wellyfornia probably isn't going to be a player with any sort of profile; unless perhaps they're a Kiwi. But according to most there's no Kiwi's good enough for the Nix that are at a point where they'd be realistically likely to consider a move back home (Fallon, Killen, Boyens, etc have all been argued more against than for when mentioned) so, the likelihood is we get Kiwi's already in the league (Mossy, WeeMac, JB) and probably pay overs for them as they're proven successful and/or we go for lower profile imports (ie: Cazarine) or either journeyman/unproven Aussies.
Oh, and I s'pose there's Marco lol.
over say, Rigters, for instance.
But then there is Paul Ifill and Andrew Durante..
Yeah, I wasn't saying that we should only aim for obscure players, rather that focussing on reputation alone doesn't ensure successful recruiting
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But according to most there's no Kiwi's good enough for the Nix that are at a point where they'd be realistically likely to consider a move back home (Fallon, Killen, Boyens, etc have all been argued more against than for when mentioned)
I think Killen and possibly Fallon would be decent acquisitions.You know we belong together...
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Left field.....The return of a more mature Greg Draper
It will be interesting to see how goes for the U23`s
Would we really want him? Playing at a very low level in Europe, surely we should be aiming higher in our recruitment?
Depends on how much he's improved for me, he's scoring plenty at the moment (yes, I know he's playing at a level about on par with NZFC?).
See how he goes with the U/23s; his main kiwi competition for a phoenix contract are also there so if he outshines them its a positive mark for him.
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Left field.....The return of a more mature Greg Draper
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It will be interesting to see how goes for the U23`s
Would we really want him? Playing at a very low level in Europe, surely we should be aiming higher in our recruitment?
I think even that is debatable, the Welsh league is very, very bad.
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Thus the question mark, I was merely making that comparison based on the grounds and crowds I'd seen in the very little of the welsh league I've seen.
Either way goals are a valuable commodity - hopefully he's matured a bit, improved alot and can step up to a higher level gings2012-03-16 03:55:14
Either way goals are a valuable commodity - hopefully he's matured a bit, improved alot and can step up to a higher level gings2012-03-16 03:55:14
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I think even that is debatable, the Welsh league is very, very bad.
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Would rather take a punt on a foreign striker than sign Cazarine. I would even prefer Golgol to him.
No Draper thanks - although what a strikeforce - Draper and Pavlovich.
No Draper thanks - although what a strikeforce - Draper and Pavlovich.
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Most succesful recruitment came after Ricki and Tony P spent time in the UK and came home with Iffy and Greenie. Would be all for targetting players of that ilk again, ie older players inn the championship who still have a couple of years left in them. Usually good solid pros and not too many cultural differences to overcome.
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Most succesful recruitment came after Ricki and Tony P spent time in the UK and came home with Iffy and Greenie. Would be all for targetting players of that ilk again, ie older players inn the championship who still have a couple of years left in them. Usually good solid pros and not too many cultural differences to overcome.
Don't think that's going to be Welnix's style though. Not to say that we won't get any from over there, but I wouldn't count on a big recruitment drive. They've said all along that they'd rather nurture local talent (and yes I know blah blah need a development team).
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Would rather take a punt on a foreign striker than sign Cazarine. I would even prefer Golgol to him.
No Draper thanks - although what a strikeforce - Draper and Pavlovich.
No Draper thanks - although what a strikeforce - Draper and Pavlovich.
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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Next season will be Ricki's last as Nix head coach. I don't think we will see a whole pile of new recruits. He is happy with "his lads". They have got him a good finish to the season. He will see it as nothings broken so no need to fix it. Pantellis will be back. Maybe there might be a new striker to replace Greenie if its decideded he should quit. Otherwise that will probably be it.
The big moves will be made the following season. Lots of players will be getting into their 30's and will need replacing. Ideally its set up for the new guy to mould his own team. But it will be a big ask to expect a new team to gel immediately. By then there will only be 3 slots for imports. It will be a great time for young kiwi talent....quite a few of those guys playing for the under 23's could find themselves playing for the Nix in a couple of years.
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Only changes I expect are for the youth spots, as much as I would like to a new gun striker, I cannot see it happening.
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Next season will be Ricki's last as Nix head coach. I don't think we will see a whole pile of new recruits. He is happy with "his lads". They have got him a good finish to the season. He will see it as nothings broken so no need to fix it. Pantellis will be back. Maybe there might be a new striker to replace Greenie if its decideded he should quit. Otherwise that will probably be it.
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The big moves will be made the following season. Lots of players will be getting into their 30's and will need replacing. Ideally its set up for the new guy to mould his own team. But it will be a big ask to expect a new team to gel immediately. By then there will only be 3 slots for imports. It will be a great time for young kiwi talent....quite a few of those guys playing for the under 23's�could find themselves playing for the Nix in a couple of years.
This comment makes me feel like the assistant coach position next year is crucial. The year Ricki leaves, we need some coaching staff to either step up into the Head Coach role, or to keep running the other coaching elements so all the procedures dont get lost.
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Next season will be Ricki's last as Nix head coach. I don't think we will see a whole pile of new recruits. He is happy with "his lads". They have got him a good finish to the season. He will see it as nothings broken so no need to fix it. Pantellis will be back. Maybe there might be a new striker to replace Greenie if its decideded he should quit. Otherwise that will probably be it.
The big moves will be made the following season. Lots of players will be getting into their 30's and will need replacing. Ideally its set up for the new guy to mould his own team. But it will be a big ask to expect a new team to gel immediately. By then there will only be 3 slots for imports. It will be a great time for young kiwi talent....quite a few of those guys playing for the under 23's could find themselves playing for the Nix in a couple of years.
This comment makes me feel like the assistant coach position next year is crucial. The year Ricki leaves, we need some coaching staff to either step up into the Head Coach role, or to keep running the other coaching elements so all the procedures dont get lost.
I thought Ricki wasn't leaving, but was switching to a Director of Football type role. If that is the case then I imagine he will still be heavily involved with the recruiting policy
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I have my doubts that Ricki will leave just yet, he'll want to take the nix to the top of the a-league and then move on. If he left at bthe end of this season he'd leave us with very little management exp.
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Just as an aside, It seems Lee Taylor has reasonable amount of influence, certainly beyond that of "conditioner"
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Left field.....The return of a more mature Greg Draper
It will be interesting to see how goes for the U23`s
Would we really want him? Playing at a very low level in Europe, surely we should be aiming higher in our recruitment?
I think even that is debatable, the Welsh league is very, very bad.
Should be noted that the only two fully pro teams in this league, Draper's New Saints and Llanelli, along with Bangor City, are on a different level to the rest (a bit like Celtic and Rangers in Scotland).
Wikipedia: "In recent times results in Europe have generally improved. Whereas in the past, Welsh sides had been on the wrong end of some heavy scorelines, all Welsh sides now enter Europe with the realistic aim of at least winning their first round tie. In the last few years in particular European results have been more competitive, with Rhyl, Carmarthen Town, Bangor City, The New Saints and Llanelli all beating clubs from other countries over two legs."
The relative quality of the Welsh League from Draper himself in today's "Press":
UNDER-23'S GAIN FROM ASSISTANCE OF A SAINT
Tony Smith
Draper � whose photo features on The New Saints' website home page � said the
best teams in the Welsh league would be of comparable standard to Auckland City
and Waitakere United, the perennial benchmarks in the New Zealand premiership.
"The top four in Wales would be competitive in the Conference League [English football's fifth tier]. We played a couple of League Two [fourth tier] clubs pre-season and we beat Luton Town and drew 1-1 with Shrewsbury."
He believes his game has continued to develop but accepts he would have to move up a level or two to get back in the frame for the All Whites.
But if he keeps scoring goals bigger clubs might come knocking.
"The league gets a lot of coverage [on Welsh TV and websites]. A lad from our team had a trial at Leeds United over Christmas. There are good opportunities there to move into the English Football League system. You've just got to be seen to be doing well, and obviously scoring goals is my main job."
Draper doesn't discount a return Down Under one day, saying his former Canterbury and Phoenix team-mate Ben SigmUnd has proved it's possible to break into the A-League in mid-career.
"But at the moment I would rather be in [the UK].
"There are a lot more opportunities there."
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Next season will be Ricki's last as Nix head coach. I don't think we will see a whole pile of new recruits. He is happy with "his lads". They have got him a good finish to the season. He will see it as nothings broken so no need to fix it. Pantellis will be back. Maybe there might be a new striker to replace Greenie if its decideded he should quit. Otherwise that will probably be it.
The big moves will be made the following season. Lots of players will be getting into their 30's and will need replacing. Ideally its set up for the new guy to mould his own team. But it will be a big ask to expect a new team to gel immediately. By then there will only be 3 slots for imports. It will be a great time for young kiwi talent....quite a few of those guys playing for the under 23's could find themselves playing for the Nix in a couple of years.
This comment makes me feel like the assistant coach position next year is crucial. The year Ricki leaves, we need some coaching staff to either step up into the Head Coach role, or to keep running the other coaching elements so all the procedures dont get lost.
I thought Ricki wasn't leaving, but was switching to a Director of Football type role. If that is the case then I imagine he will still be heavily involved with the recruiting policy
I guess there is still lots to sort out over the transition stage. Ideally the best would be for next seasons assistant coach to step up into the top job when Ricki moves into the director of football role. That way you would get some continuity.
Having said that what would happen if we managed to recuit a senior coach like a Postecoglu or a Blieburg or Arnold? would they be interested in coaching the Nix with Ricki looking over their shoulder? Who would?
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Just as an aside, It seems Lee Taylor has reasonable amount of influence, certainly beyond that of "conditioner"
He would have some good contacts, maybe he cure lure a coach or two from over in the UK?
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I guess there is still lots to sort out over the transition stage. Ideally the best would be for next seasons assistant coach to step up into the top job when Ricki moves into the director of football role. That way you would get some continuity.
Having said that what would happen if we managed to recuit a senior coach like a Postecoglu or a Blieburg or Arnold? would they be interested in coaching the Nix with Ricki looking over their shoulder? Who would?
Emblen?
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I guess there is still lots to sort out over the transition stage. Ideally the best would be for next seasons assistant coach to step up into the top job when Ricki moves into the director of football role. That way you would get some continuity.
Having said that what would happen if we managed to recuit a senior coach like a Postecoglu or a Blieburg or Arnold? would they be interested in coaching the Nix with Ricki looking over their shoulder? Who would?
Emblen?
Emblen and Tribulitex are definitely the form coaches of the NZ premiership. Either of them would be great as Nix assistant coach, but are they at the level to coach an A-League campaign of possibly 30 matches? Lots of extra pressure with a full pro squad, extra travel, tough away conditions etc.
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I guess there is still lots to sort out over the transition stage. Ideally the best would be for next seasons assistant coach to step up into the top job when Ricki moves into the director of football role. That way you would get some continuity.
Having said that what would happen if we managed to recuit a senior coach like a Postecoglu or a Blieburg or Arnold? would they be interested in coaching the Nix with Ricki looking over their shoulder? Who would?
Emblen?
Emblen and Tribulitex are definitely the form coaches of the NZ premiership. Either of them would be great as Nix assistant coach, but are they at the level to coach an A-League campaign of possibly 30 matches? Lots of extra pressure with a full pro squad, extra travel, tough away conditions etc.
Wellington to Perth would make Playing in Palmy North a doddle!!!
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I guess there is still lots to sort out over the transition stage. Ideally the best would be for next seasons assistant coach to step up into the top job when Ricki moves into the director of football role. That way you would get some continuity.
Having said that what would happen if we managed to recuit a senior coach like a Postecoglu or a Blieburg or Arnold? would they be interested in coaching the Nix with Ricki looking over their shoulder? Who would?
Emblen?
Emblen and Tribulitex are definitely the form coaches of the NZ premiership. Either of them would be great as Nix assistant coach, but are they at the level to coach an A-League campaign of possibly 30 matches? Lots of extra pressure with a full pro squad, extra travel, tough away conditions etc.
Wellington to Perth would make Playing in Palmy North a doddle!!!
Aaaaarf.....Palmy North, the worlds worst away game!!!
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Arrrrgh the RoD ..... memories indeed!!!!
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we need a striker, or a pacey winger
if we get a pacey winger can put him out wide and sanchez in the middle where he is good, brown is there to score goals and he cant even do that any more...
or the gun striker so iffil can play out wide
if we get a pacey winger can put him out wide and sanchez in the middle where he is good, brown is there to score goals and he cant even do that any more...
or the gun striker so iffil can play out wide
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We have to refresh that squad in the pre season and ideally bring in at least 4 new players.Steve-O2012-03-17 15:11:20
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We have to refresh that squad in the pre season and ideally bring in at least 4 new players.
1. A striker
2. A creative midfielder
3. A left sided player; FB / Midfielder (Traore would have been perfect)
4. A DM or RB (to complement Manny)
All good enough for the starting 11.
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