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Phoenix Transfer - speculation

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Hello, which A-League club sign Siggy first?  Exactly.
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In response to those that fear that we should not take NZFC players who are in their late 20s because they have not already been spotted, therefore they are probably not good enough, may I say two words..........Ben Sigmund.  Thankyou.
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Well, he did get picked up by the Kingz but only played a handful of games IIRC

a.haak

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paullt wrote:
playwithFire wrote:
Torne wrote:
According to the commentators on the Adeleide - Queensland game, Cristiano has been linked with rumours of a deal with us.

Thoughts?


wow really?
I didn't hear that. You can't always trust those guys but I'd definitely take him. As long as he aint diving

Strange because just earlier this week he said something of wanting to stay with the reds for a few more seasons.? although you don't often get straight comments from football players now do you?
yep during the adelaide v roar game the commentators clearly said that wellington was interested in cristiano
 
The impression I got from the comment during the game was "were interested" as in no longer, looking elsewhere.
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paullt wrote:
   yep during the adelaide v roar game the commentators clearly said that wellington was interested in cristiano
 
What they said was that there were whispers that the Phoenix were interested in Cristiano. Which is a slightly different thing.
Jag2009-02-25 10:17:38

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Any of the Auckland City team play 'out of their skins' against Kuwait?
 
As in 'worth a closer look'?
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No
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With Ricki and Tony off to look at some League 1 strikers ( http://www.stuff.co.nz/4854539a18075.html ) I had a look at the current League 1 top scorer list. http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalScorers/0,,10794~200825,00.html
 
Of the 20 top scorers only one is from this part of the world - Joel Porter of course. Rest are mostly English with an Irishman and Argentinian. So only player potentially yearning to come home is Joel. Also had a look at players around 30+ (maybe want to extend career playing in A-League), there are 4;
 
 
 
 
 
Maybe they have a younger player in their sights - but will obviously cost more.
 
Whitby boy2009-02-25 20:34:06
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Joel is already off to GC. Rule him out.
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Also Wilbraham - he's still scoring bucket loads and will be sort after over there

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I dont know if he will be a top goalscorer over there but good scouting.
I think It'll be easier to pull a player who is out of favour at their current club  rather than a top goal scorer


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how much has the club got to spend?? the average salary is around �67,850 for a average player in league one.
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PROAK wrote:
Also Wilbraham - he's still scoring bucket loads and will be sort after over there


Which bucket will they sort him in to?
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Daggers wrote:
how much has the club got to spend?? the average salary is around �67,850 for a average player in league one.
 
 
There in lies the problem for the Phoenix....the average striker pay is probably closer to 100,000 pounds. Anyone half decent will be tied up by their clubs already. if you were a reasonable Div 1 striker on good money why would you chuck it all in to come and play football in NZ?
 
I must admit.....recruiting  English strikers from the lower leagues does not exactly set my pulse racing. How many Englishmen have ever lit up the A-League?. English footballers don't seem to travel well. Come to think of it i am struggling to think of many English footballers who have been outstanding playing abroad( beckham is a brand).
 
I am sure we will find a pair...they will be solid, good in the air providing they get good service and will work hard but still...........I am not excited by the prospect.
 
Surely we can spread our net a little wider...Serg van Dyke came out of the Dutch second division and he has turned out a gem for the Roar. My preference would be to scout across europe in the second divisions....there must be another Porter somewhere or some experianced central or south Americans.....surely we can find players with some flair.
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Hang on... how come Porter is listed as a good option, but English forwards from the same division aren't ?

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I know he may be out of the question, but I've always rated Svetoslav Todorov (currently on the bench for soon to be relegated Charlton in the Championship.

Scored a bucketload of goals for Pompey to get them into the Premiership only to pick up a bad knee injury which effectively ruled him out for 2 seasons.

Contract with Charlton expires in June this year.

75 goals in 187 appearance in Bulgaria and England including 48 Prem apps (most as substitute) incl 7 goals.

He's 30 and 6ft.
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Picked up another knee injury last season at Charlton which ruled him out for most of the season.

12 appearances this season, again mostly off the bench - little used by new manager Parkinson

Just checked on his injury last season - ruptured ACL and fractured knee cap - best we check our medical insurance

HeySeus2009-02-26 15:50:19
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porter is a one off the a league wont get another striker to come out of league one like him still scoring goals over there and could for a couple of years.plus he australian..there will be players from The Terras looking for a new club haha
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Please punctuate your posts in future.  It's irksome attempting to decipher their contents.

I think we should scout in Denmark and around the Scandinavian region.  It would be great to get a few of their talented strikers in the Phoenix.
loyalgunner2009-02-26 17:06:29
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Jari Litmanen. Think he's unattached atm.
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Just checked on his injury last season - ruptured ACL and fractured knee cap - best we check our medical insurance


Not to mention the two knee reconstructions he had at Pompey.

Great player, would've been EPL quality had it not been for those, but he'd be a hell of a risk if you could even get him here.
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loyalgunner wrote:
Please punctuate your posts in future.  It's irksome attempting to decipher their contents.

I think we should scout in Denmark and around the Scandinavian region.  It would be great to get a few of their talented strikers in the Phoenix.
Speaking as an Arsenal fan, you can have our Danish striker.
Speaking as a 'Nix fan, no thanks, you can 'ave 'im.
  
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Mikewho wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
Please punctuate your posts in future.  It's irksome attempting to decipher their contents.

I think we should scout in Denmark and around the Scandinavian region.  It would be great to get a few of their talented strikers in the Phoenix.
Speaking as an Arsenal fan, you can have our Danish striker.
Speaking as a 'Nix fan, no thanks, you can 'ave 'im.
  



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el grapadura wrote:
Jari Litmanen. Think he's unattached atm.


Jari's nearly 89 isnt he? Still better than Devine :)
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I think he's closer to 98. Sign him up for 2 years, and we'll have the first centurion ever playing professional football in our team.

Just imagine the media frenzy. We'd be better known than Man Yoo.
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zinidane wrote:
Daggers wrote:
how much has the club got to spend?? the average salary is around �67,850 for a average player in league one.
 
 
There in lies the problem for the Phoenix....the average striker pay is probably closer to 100,000 pounds. Anyone half decent will be tied up by their clubs already. if you were a reasonable Div 1 striker on good money why would you chuck it all in to come and play football in NZ?
 
I must admit.....recruiting  English strikers from the lower leagues does not exactly set my pulse racing. How many Englishmen have ever lit up the A-League?. English footballers don't seem to travel well. Come to think of it i am struggling to think of many English footballers who have been outstanding playing abroad( beckham is a brand).
 
I am sure we will find a pair...they will be solid, good in the air providing they get good service and will work hard but still...........I am not excited by the prospect.
 
Surely we can spread our net a little wider...Serg van Dyke came out of the Dutch second division and he has turned out a gem for the Roar. My preference would be to scout across europe in the second divisions....there must be another Porter somewhere or some experianced central or south Americans.....surely we can find players with some flair.
 
I think your point Zinidane that the club should be spreading its net further afield than England is a good one and has been raised in this forum previously.  The English market is relatively overpriced and it seems to me as unwise for the club to be spending huge money on securing ageing players from third or fourth tier leagues in England.  Like you, I also believe we could get better value for money by having a look at some of the second tier European and South American leagues, where the market values are more reasonable for us in light of the tight salary cap the club operates under.  I do wonder about how good the club's scouting network is, which for a professional football club I would think should be part of its 'bread and butter' functions.  We seem to have a fixation with Brazil and England.  
 
I must admit that I do feel a little nervous about our recruitment ambitions for next season and, consequently, how competitive we will be and our ability to attract fans.  So far there has been little communication from the club to the fans.  Alll we know is that Tony P and Ricki are soon off to England to try and possibly sign up a couple of strikers from the Third division and that there is some focus on players from the NZFC.  There was mention that Terry S and Ricki were going to Brazil, but that seems to have gone quiet.  As I've said before, in my view we still need 4 or 5 proven professionals - at a minimum with above-average A-League experience - if we are to have any chance of performing well next season and, importantly, of attracting a substantial number of more fans (tastier meat pies and cheaper beer at the stadium - as suggested by some on the Marketing forum - certainly ain't going to be the answer). 
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I agree. You want players who are going to push for starting positions each week.
I think van Dyke has been a gem for the roar and i assume he would be just as cheap if not cheaper than some English players.

I really think we should be looking in eastern Europe and central America because their is a lot of talent. Also I think South Africa could be a possibility? A lot of South Africans come to New Zealand so i think it would be an easier jump for some of them


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playwithFire wrote:
I agree. You want players who are going to push for starting positions each week.
I think van Dyke has been a gem for the roar and i assume he would be just as cheap if not cheaper than some English players.

I really think we should be looking in eastern Europe and central America because their is a lot of talent. Also I think South Africa could be a possibility? A lot of South Africans come to New Zealand so i think it would be an easier jump for some of them


The PSL in South Africa is becoming a very established league and I wouldn't be surprised that the average salary would be higher than in the A-League. Kaizer Chiefs are building their own stadium based Arsenal's emirates says it all really. Though from watching highlights the standard of play is very inconsistent. Couple of players that would be handy but out of reach would be Teko Modise and Siphwe Tshabalala. Also add that other than Benni Mc, South Africa is not known for producing goal scorers. Better look at other african leagues for bargains.
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Yea I'm sure there is a lot of talent in Africa and I've heard a lot of people mention it before.
Its just getting the players here and willing to play.


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Playing Devils advocate,

From experience there is a large cultural divide between the countries of South America, Africa and Eastern Europe.
 
Bringing these players to NZ requires a lot of support off the field. Players from the Colonies or the Motherland have an easier time integrating.
 
 
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Further playing Devils advocate, a worldwide scouting network ?

How much money do you think A-League clubs have ?

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Dino10 wrote:

Playing Devils advocate,

From experience there is a large cultural divide between the countries of South America, Africa and Eastern Europe.
 
Bringing these players to NZ requires a lot of support off the field. Players from the Colonies or the Motherland have an easier time integrating.
 
 


That is really true, being able to speak the language at least must be a huge help for the player settling in and the coach being able to communicate with. African leagues i would look at would be Zambia or Zimbabwe, english being spoken there and a lot of decent players have come out of those countries, usually to South Africa first and then onto better things: Benjani Mwaruwari, Collins Mbesuma, Chris Katongo. Would need to intercept this sort of players first
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Yea I agree and of course I don't think we could have scouts all over the world. But other teams have African, European, and American players in them and all have turned out to be quite successful in this league. If they can do it then we should too.

I disagree that South Africans would have a hard time integrating to NZ. There is a large RSA contingency in NZ and I think that would be easier to attract players who know of NZ lifestyle. I don't believe the player would require a tremendous amount of off-field support


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The majority of those players paid their own way to this part of the world, they weren't recruited or scouted from Europe or anywhere else.  The only truly African player has been Salley and he was already playing in the VPL, Malik Buari's history was with Fulham is how he ended up here and the rest of the younger Africans (Djite, Danning, Queensland lad) have come through the Australian system.

No A-League scouting has been done there.

As for South Africans, how much do they earn playing in South Africa ?  Looking at the nations recent records the top domestic players don't seem to be playing at a level higher than the A-League and it is a nation that has a large European scouting network.

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Agree, the english leagues would be the last place we should look for a bargain.
In Eastern european, African  and South American outposts we would be far more likely to find what we need. Just seems the way we seem to be going about finding players which are the future of our club, a bit amateurish. .
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Scandanavian, Dutch and Belgian players would all have English as a 2nd or 3rd language and speak it well enough to live here. Makes a lot of sense to me to recruit from there. There have been enough players graduate from the A League to other European Leagues for a young fringe up and comer to believe he could get 1st team football in a reasonable league and be on show to scouts from the big leagues.
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auskiwi wrote:
Agree, the english leagues would be the last place we should look for a bargain.
In Eastern european, African  and South American outposts we would be far more likely to find what we need. Just seems the way we seem to be going about finding players which are the future of our club, a bit amateurish. .
 
A bit amateurish?
 
That's extremely harsh.  The club is using its contacts where it has them to identify possible players.
 
Surely that's what you'd expect to happen?
 
It's not a computer game.  You can't just click a button and say "ooo, today I think I'll scout Estonia..." You need to have a contact or contacts you trust.  It's hardly surprising that the club has more of those in England - where Ricki did his UEFA Pro Licence last year - than anywhere else.
 
I think some of you spend too much time playing Football Manager.

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Hard News wrote:
The majority of those players paid their own way to this part of the world, they weren't recruited or scouted from Europe or anywhere else.  The only truly African player has been Salley and he was already playing in the VPL, Malik Buari's history was with Fulham is how he ended up here and the rest of the younger Africans (Djite, Danning, Queensland lad) have come through the Australian system.

No A-League scouting has been done there.

As for South Africans, how much do they earn playing in South Africa ?  Looking at the nations recent records the top domestic players don't seem to be playing at a level higher than the A-League and it is a nation that has a large European scouting network.

Sorry HN.
I didn't realize that. But perhaps if no scouting has been done there then why not be the first?
I guess that would be quite an expense though so it's very doubtful.

I don't know how much they earn in South Africa but yeah I agree that they don't seem to be playing at a level higher than the a-league.


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Smithy wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
Agree, the english leagues would be the last place we should look for a bargain.
In Eastern european, African  and South American outposts we would be far more likely to find what we need. Just seems the way we seem to be going about finding players which are the future of our club, a bit amateurish. .
 
A bit amateurish?
 
That's extremely harsh.  The club is using its contacts where it has them to identify possible players.
 
Surely that's what you'd expect to happen?
 
It's not a computer game.  You can't just click a button and say "ooo, today I think I'll scout Estonia..." You need to have a contact or contacts you trust.  It's hardly surprising that the club has more of those in England - where Ricki did his UEFA Pro Licence last year - than anywhere else.
 
I think some of you spend too much time playing Football Manager.

This is true. You can think that scouting a player will be easy but its gonna cost a heck load to get anywhere and you need reliable sources.

Do A-league clubs use the same scouts as eachother or separate?
It makes sense for Ricki to look in England and I certainly don't mind it at all.
Guess I'm just hoping we could find the likes of Hernandez, Van Djik or Dadi?


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