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2017/18 Transfer Speculation

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

We have 3 starting mids in Goran, WeeMac and Gui, and 3 backups in Ridenton, Rufer, and Singh. Our backline has similar depth as well - the priority for investment has to be attacking players now. 

I still see WeeMac's best position being more attacking/wider than a CM he is likely to be playing. Of all the seasons he has played for the 'Nix (and CCM before) he has never been seen as the best option in that CM role - at the 'Nix less likely to play there than Lia, ARod, Rolly, Ridenton and Rufer. Unless we sign a better wide attacker (and another striker is also required - of which only 1 can be a foreigner) then I would have WeeMac starting on the left.
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kwlap wrote:

We have 3 starting mids in Goran, WeeMac and Gui, and 3 backups in Ridenton, Rufer, and Singh. Our backline has similar depth as well - the priority for investment has to be attacking players now.

see id still argue that our midfield is lacks depth. most of those players play the same position and most play attacking roles. Only one of them is defensive and none are the box to box style, unless Ridenton counts as one, which i don't think he does. it leaves our midfield without any engine or linking/transition players.

Rufer plays as a DM, and Ridenton can too. I think it also depends on how we want to play, both in terms of shape and tacical approach. I see us with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, with a tackler/screener (Goran/Rufer) and distributor (WeeMac/Ridenton) and a creator (Finkler/Singh). If we play a higher defensive line (might require dropping Dura) then our midfielders won't need to cover as much ground and the need for an A-Rod type of player while be reduced.

Of course it would be nice to have better backups but the balance of our midfield looks better than it did last year and most of the year before when we were trying to fit too many similar players on the pitch at once. I wouldn't be against investing more in it but only if we have money and spots left over after we get a striker.


When did Rufer become a DM? Last I checked he was an attacking midfielder.

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over 8 years ago

Seeing red wrote:

kwlap wrote:

We have 3 starting mids in Goran, WeeMac and Gui, and 3 backups in Ridenton, Rufer, and Singh. Our backline has similar depth as well - the priority for investment has to be attacking players now.

see id still argue that our midfield is lacks depth. most of those players play the same position and most play attacking roles. Only one of them is defensive and none are the box to box style, unless Ridenton counts as one, which i don't think he does. it leaves our midfield without any engine or linking/transition players.

Rufer plays as a DM, and Ridenton can too. I think it also depends on how we want to play, both in terms of shape and tacical approach. I see us with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, with a tackler/screener (Goran/Rufer) and distributor (WeeMac/Ridenton) and a creator (Finkler/Singh). If we play a higher defensive line (might require dropping Dura) then our midfielders won't need to cover as much ground and the need for an A-Rod type of player while be reduced.

Of course it would be nice to have better backups but the balance of our midfield looks better than it did last year and most of the year before when we were trying to fit too many similar players on the pitch at once. I wouldn't be against investing more in it but only if we have money and spots left over after we get a striker.


When did Rufer become a DM? Last I checked he was an attacking midfielder.

He has played all over the midfield but I'm sure he's stated previously that he wants to be a DM. I tried Google to find the quote but I couldn't so maybe I imagined it. Anyone else remember it? 

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over 8 years ago

Bullion wrote:

We have 3 starting mids in Goran, WeeMac and Gui, and 3 backups in Ridenton, Rufer, and Singh. Our backline has similar depth as well - the priority for investment has to be attacking players now. 

I still see WeeMac's best position being more attacking/wider than a CM he is likely to be playing. Of all the seasons he has played for the 'Nix (and CCM before) he has never been seen as the best option in that CM role - at the 'Nix less likely to play there than Lia, ARod, Rolly, Ridenton and Rufer. Unless we sign a better wide attacker (and another striker is also required - of which only 1 can be a foreigner) then I would have WeeMac starting on the left.

I think he's best on the left of the midfield in a 4-3-3 personally, but yeah if he's going to be playing as a left winger/forward then we need another mid, but we still need a striker as well either way

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over 8 years ago

Seeing red wrote:

kwlap wrote:

We have 3 starting mids in Goran, WeeMac and Gui, and 3 backups in Ridenton, Rufer, and Singh. Our backline has similar depth as well - the priority for investment has to be attacking players now.

see id still argue that our midfield is lacks depth. most of those players play the same position and most play attacking roles. Only one of them is defensive and none are the box to box style, unless Ridenton counts as one, which i don't think he does. it leaves our midfield without any engine or linking/transition players.

Rufer plays as a DM, and Ridenton can too. I think it also depends on how we want to play, both in terms of shape and tacical approach. I see us with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, with a tackler/screener (Goran/Rufer) and distributor (WeeMac/Ridenton) and a creator (Finkler/Singh). If we play a higher defensive line (might require dropping Dura) then our midfielders won't need to cover as much ground and the need for an A-Rod type of player while be reduced.

Of course it would be nice to have better backups but the balance of our midfield looks better than it did last year and most of the year before when we were trying to fit too many similar players on the pitch at once. I wouldn't be against investing more in it but only if we have money and spots left over after we get a striker.


When did Rufer become a DM? Last I checked he was an attacking midfielder.

He has played all over the midfield but I'm sure he's stated previously that he wants to be a DM. I tried Google to find the quote but I couldn't so maybe I imagined it. Anyone else remember it? 

He said something along the lines that he wanted to be a holding midfielder and cement that position in the team this season.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Seeing red wrote:

kwlap wrote:

We have 3 starting mids in Goran, WeeMac and Gui, and 3 backups in Ridenton, Rufer, and Singh. Our backline has similar depth as well - the priority for investment has to be attacking players now.

see id still argue that our midfield is lacks depth. most of those players play the same position and most play attacking roles. Only one of them is defensive and none are the box to box style, unless Ridenton counts as one, which i don't think he does. it leaves our midfield without any engine or linking/transition players.

Rufer plays as a DM, and Ridenton can too. I think it also depends on how we want to play, both in terms of shape and tacical approach. I see us with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, with a tackler/screener (Goran/Rufer) and distributor (WeeMac/Ridenton) and a creator (Finkler/Singh). If we play a higher defensive line (might require dropping Dura) then our midfielders won't need to cover as much ground and the need for an A-Rod type of player while be reduced.

Of course it would be nice to have better backups but the balance of our midfield looks better than it did last year and most of the year before when we were trying to fit too many similar players on the pitch at once. I wouldn't be against investing more in it but only if we have money and spots left over after we get a striker.


When did Rufer become a DM? Last I checked he was an attacking midfielder.

He has played all over the midfield but I'm sure he's stated previously that he wants to be a DM. I tried Google to find the quote but I couldn't so maybe I imagined it. Anyone else remember it? 

He said something along the lines that he wanted to be a holding midfielder and cement that position in the team this season.

I've forgotten what he even plays like, so I'd be curious about his best position!

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Ryan wrote:

Seeing red wrote:

kwlap wrote:

We have 3 starting mids in Goran, WeeMac and Gui, and 3 backups in Ridenton, Rufer, and Singh. Our backline has similar depth as well - the priority for investment has to be attacking players now.

see id still argue that our midfield is lacks depth. most of those players play the same position and most play attacking roles. Only one of them is defensive and none are the box to box style, unless Ridenton counts as one, which i don't think he does. it leaves our midfield without any engine or linking/transition players.

Rufer plays as a DM, and Ridenton can too. I think it also depends on how we want to play, both in terms of shape and tacical approach. I see us with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, with a tackler/screener (Goran/Rufer) and distributor (WeeMac/Ridenton) and a creator (Finkler/Singh). If we play a higher defensive line (might require dropping Dura) then our midfielders won't need to cover as much ground and the need for an A-Rod type of player while be reduced.

Of course it would be nice to have better backups but the balance of our midfield looks better than it did last year and most of the year before when we were trying to fit too many similar players on the pitch at once. I wouldn't be against investing more in it but only if we have money and spots left over after we get a striker.


When did Rufer become a DM? Last I checked he was an attacking midfielder.

He has played all over the midfield but I'm sure he's stated previously that he wants to be a DM. I tried Google to find the quote but I couldn't so maybe I imagined it. Anyone else remember it? 

He said something along the lines that he wanted to be a holding midfielder and cement that position in the team this season.

I've forgotten what he even plays like, so I'd be curious about his best position!

I thought his best position was as a second striker and AM but I think he probably looked at our line up last season and thought with the depth in the attacking third and the departure of Riera that that being a more defensively minded mid was his best way to getting game time.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Seeing red wrote:

kwlap wrote:

We have 3 starting mids in Goran, WeeMac and Gui, and 3 backups in Ridenton, Rufer, and Singh. Our backline has similar depth as well - the priority for investment has to be attacking players now.

see id still argue that our midfield is lacks depth. most of those players play the same position and most play attacking roles. Only one of them is defensive and none are the box to box style, unless Ridenton counts as one, which i don't think he does. it leaves our midfield without any engine or linking/transition players.

Rufer plays as a DM, and Ridenton can too. I think it also depends on how we want to play, both in terms of shape and tacical approach. I see us with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, with a tackler/screener (Goran/Rufer) and distributor (WeeMac/Ridenton) and a creator (Finkler/Singh). If we play a higher defensive line (might require dropping Dura) then our midfielders won't need to cover as much ground and the need for an A-Rod type of player while be reduced.

Of course it would be nice to have better backups but the balance of our midfield looks better than it did last year and most of the year before when we were trying to fit too many similar players on the pitch at once. I wouldn't be against investing more in it but only if we have money and spots left over after we get a striker.


When did Rufer become a DM? Last I checked he was an attacking midfielder.

He has played all over the midfield but I'm sure he's stated previously that he wants to be a DM. I tried Google to find the quote but I couldn't so maybe I imagined it. Anyone else remember it? 

He said something along the lines that he wanted to be a holding midfielder and cement that position in the team this season.

I've forgotten what he even plays like, so I'd be curious about his best position!

just cause he wants to play there doesnt mean he will be of the standard which is needed to play there. 

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Seeing red wrote:

kwlap wrote:

We have 3 starting mids in Goran, WeeMac and Gui, and 3 backups in Ridenton, Rufer, and Singh. Our backline has similar depth as well - the priority for investment has to be attacking players now.

see id still argue that our midfield is lacks depth. most of those players play the same position and most play attacking roles. Only one of them is defensive and none are the box to box style, unless Ridenton counts as one, which i don't think he does. it leaves our midfield without any engine or linking/transition players.

Rufer plays as a DM, and Ridenton can too. I think it also depends on how we want to play, both in terms of shape and tacical approach. I see us with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, with a tackler/screener (Goran/Rufer) and distributor (WeeMac/Ridenton) and a creator (Finkler/Singh). If we play a higher defensive line (might require dropping Dura) then our midfielders won't need to cover as much ground and the need for an A-Rod type of player while be reduced.

Of course it would be nice to have better backups but the balance of our midfield looks better than it did last year and most of the year before when we were trying to fit too many similar players on the pitch at once. I wouldn't be against investing more in it but only if we have money and spots left over after we get a striker.


When did Rufer become a DM? Last I checked he was an attacking midfielder.

He has played all over the midfield but I'm sure he's stated previously that he wants to be a DM. I tried Google to find the quote but I couldn't so maybe I imagined it. Anyone else remember it? 

He said something along the lines that he wanted to be a holding midfielder and cement that position in the team this season.

I've forgotten what he even plays like, so I'd be curious about his best position!

His only decent amount of time in the HAL recently was him playing CM/DM against City in the first game of last season - he looked ok as we mostly dominated the 2nd period with a man advantage.
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over 8 years ago

good player - not sure he would fit the system that well, but much better than Watson.

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over 8 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Fernando was down watching Wellington United so probably weighing up Keegan Smith.

see Keegs was in this training session so maybe taking an even closer look - was 4th choice last year so probably looking at first crack at 3rd.

http://www.wellingtonphoenix.com/photo-gallery/201718-pre-season-training-in-pictures-1dkiwcsqplw4c1cglojyg8kgfn (#31)

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over 8 years ago

chopah wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Fernando was down watching Wellington United so probably weighing up Keegan Smith.

see Keegs was in this training session so maybe taking an even closer look - was 4th choice last year so probably looking at first crack at 3rd.

http://www.wellingtonphoenix.com/photo-gallery/201... (#31)

Very nice photo gallery, makes it all seem real. Thanks!

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over 8 years ago

Seeing as we have both Krishna and Watson who can play through the middle, I think our biggest priority right now should be a right winger.

You know we belong together...

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over 8 years ago

I hope we play our youngsters alot more this season, I think they're up to the task of playing morethan 2 mins a game.

yung thug

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over 8 years ago

dunnix wrote:

McDonald Mariga for more midfield steel

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mcdonald-mariga/pr...

Looks pretty good, little unsure how we can incorporate him into the team with Goran taking the CDM spot, seeing that seems to be Mariga's main position, but he has also played regular CM as well so I think it would be worth keeping an eye on.

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over 8 years ago
I've seen quite a bit of him and while he didn't develop into the player he was expecting in Italy, he'd be an insane pickup! Money would be a huge issue
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over 8 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Joey Johns wrote:

plenty of decent players that are free agents according to transfermarkt. Lots of italian strikers from serie b etc available. 

Our new coach must have the contacts in Holland you'd think to snare somebody decent for the remaining foreign spot.

Here's the full list of Eredivisie players off contract, including some from Roda JC, the last club Darije managed:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/eredivisie/vertrags...

For example, English striker Simon Church has just been released by Roda (ex Charlton Athletic & Reading):

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/simon-church/profil...

Only 28, would be a decent signing. 38 caps for Wales, including the Euro 2016 semi vs. Portugal

But he's probably more ambitious than to sign for the Nix if he wants to play for Wales. However he only played four games for Roda last season after struggling with a hip injury.

Spanish midfielder Marcos Gullon has just been released by Roda (ex-Villareal & Racing in Spain):

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marcos-gullon/profi...

Young Dutch midfielder Farshad Noor has been released by Roda and also played for PSV reserve team which Darije coached a couple of years ago:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/farshad-noor/profil...

14 Eredivisie appearances last season, 12 the season before under Darije at Roda.

2013 - 2015 played under Darije at PSV u-21 (reserve) team in the second tier.

Simon Church is currently trialling with Hib's in the SPL along with Andrew Blake and jermaine Pennant - there's some company!

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over 8 years ago

Anymore on how Blake is going - he's been getting decent minutes so that's positive??

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over 8 years ago

RR wrote:

They are a not very serious account, that was just a joke on their part in response to the tweet from the Nix (which shouldnt be taken seriously also).

Quality banter though

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over 8 years ago

Nix twitter has put their neck out now though - striker that can bring in a crowd... hmmmm

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over 8 years ago

https://twitter.com/WgtnPhoenixFC/status/888943929684406272

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over 8 years ago

Sackofspuds wrote:

Nix twitter has put their neck out now though - striker that can bring in a crowd... hmmmm

The striker will be also working on the turnstyles on matchday, making sure everyone has the correct ticket!

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over 8 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

Sackofspuds wrote:

Nix twitter has put their neck out now though - striker that can bring in a crowd... hmmmm

The striker will be also working on the turnstyles on matchday, making sure everyone has the correct ticket!

Other new signing - The Enforcer - will make sure they pay up. 

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over 8 years ago

Jermaine Pennant a maybe? Not a striker but an "attacking player" with a name and currently trialling with Hibs - has played in Asia.

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over 8 years ago

Jermaine Clemment would put more bums on seats

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 8 years ago

PROAK wrote:

Jermaine Pennant a maybe? Not a striker 

Are we still doing that gag?

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over 8 years ago

Do people actually think that there's more to that tweet than just the club staying positive on social media? I mean, I'm sure we are trying to sign an attacker but the bit about one who will get punters through the gate is a bit of a stretch. Unless the club means it much broadly - as in, we win more games because of a decent signing so crowds increase. Surely it's just a reply to keep a fan happy.

The only reason I can think that we would drop all the cash on a really big name marquee is if the FFA have it as one of our #metrics for survival. Because only really big names (ADP for instance) will actually draw a crowd just by virtue of who they are, and I can't see WelNix spending that much money on one guy. It doesn't fit their own self-described strategy.

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over 8 years ago

It doesn't fit their strategy, but neither does losing their liscence. 

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over 8 years ago

was just trying to read it on my phone. Easier to quote than copy and paste...



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over 8 years ago

Tuiloma has gone to the Timbers - still think he would have been a great pick-up for us and wages must be comparable

Normo's coming home

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over 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Tuiloma has gone to the Timbers - still think he would have been a great pick-up for us and wages must be comparable

And if he's chosen Portland I think it's safe to say we can't even blame the Wellington weather for missing out

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over 8 years ago

Berbatov would be immense. 

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