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Hard News wrote:

C-Diddy, it is much closer to Seven than I had thought about.
 
You should listen to me more often!
 
 

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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bxela123 wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
Im tired of being the devils advocate but people have to realise that it's a business decision
 
Exactly.  And I can see only two categories of people who have a right to question this decision:
 
1. Sky shareholders
2. Those Sky customers, who were enticed to join or stay with Sky by a promise (if such indeed was ever made) that has been since broken.
 
Sky has no obligations to football fans in general.
 
Even if you believe that is the reason (which i dont think its that black and white),then that is still crap. Theyve said live sport takes priority,its their slogan. Surely they have some sort of duty as NZs sole broadcaster of sport to show it live wherever possible,even if it is slightly (as you are arguing) against their interests in a business sense.
 
By your argument,back when Telecom was the sole cellphone and communications network in NZ,they should have charged $10 per minute for a phone call,just because they could and itd maximise their profit? They owe no duty to be reasonable? Yeah right.

Allegedly

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[/QUOTE] Originally posted by bxela123
Exactly.  And I can see only two categories of people who have a right to question this decision:
 
1. Sky shareholders
2. Those Sky customers, who were enticed to join or stay with Sky by a promise (if such indeed was ever made) that has been since broken.
 
Sky has no obligations to football fans in general.
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I question Sky's decision.
 We're Sky customers who responded to Sky's overtures to upgrade from digital to HDi, specifically in our case because we wished to see "The Hyundai A-League",as promoted in the weeks leading up to this season.
Not the EPL,Serie A, MLS or any other League.

We've been to every Nix home game and watched every A-League game Sky have broadcast, because the A-League is something we in Wellington (and New Zealand) have a stake in, and our family feel a part of it.
I don't believe we're the only family like that.

Sky didn't advertise its coverage as  20% , 40%, 4/5ths of the A-League.... by implication (as it never specifically said otherwise)  we expected ALL of the expanded A- League each week!
 We obviously expected to see the Wellington Phoenix live.
 We also expected to see all the other teams the Phoenix is competing against to compare and evaluate,identify threats, note the progress of NZ footballers in any of those teams etc.
If not live then overnight delayed would have been fine and logically, once all games were shown, the weekly highlights show to wrap the week.

What we've got was a piecemeal, illogical, half-a*sed offering that leaves a bitter taste in our mouths and a poor impression of Sky and its treatment of its customers.
 For the money you expect us all to pay for it you could and should do far better, Sky.



 
RedGed2009-08-19 03:10:13

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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bxela123 wrote:

2. Those Sky customers, who were enticed to join or stay with Sky by a promise (if such indeed was ever made) that has been since broken.
 
Im Pretty sure "reasonable expectation" holds up in court by the way...and itd be reasonable for skys customers to believe the A league coverage would be of similar quality as it always has been,since there was no prior warning of it being cut. So yes you're right,those who decided to keep sky or joined for the A league do have a right to complain and question the decision,and that is exactly what we are doing.

Allegedly

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The "devil's advocates" are making out that A-League fans are being unreasonable.
 
What is unreasonable about expecting:
 
1. Sport to which Sky has acquired the rights (which effectively subscribers have already paid for) to be shown Live where possible
 
2. Live sport to be preferred to replays of shows that have aired previously
 
3. Where sport is not shown live,for it to be shown delayed at a reasonable hour and in a reasonable proximity to the live showing of that match so that the delayed coverage still has relevance to the match itself
 
None of that seems unreasonable to me.  In fact, if I was running a subscription television channel that's pretty much how I would aim to keep my customers happy - by following those fairly simple principles.
 
It is also worth noting that almost all other sports that Sky has the live rights to receive that treatment.  It is not unreasonable to expect equivalent treatment.
 
All of the rest (responsibilities to advertiers, viewing figures, duties to shareholders, customer service, whether we have locally produced football coverage, identity of commentators, Premier League vs A-League) is all just background noise to these key issues. 
james dean2009-08-19 04:57:42

Normo's coming home

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bxela123 wrote:
Hard News wrote:
John Fellet ?

Hilarious... very few men have less credibility when talking about football in this country than that man.
 
I don't care about his opinion about football.  He is talking about his business decision and in business decisions CEO of a large, successfull profit making company has more credibility than ... lets say a CEO of a company making $2.5 million losses for its owner.  Although the latter one may have more credibility when talking about football matters.


OF COURSE IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION SO f**kING WHAT?


everything's business; the Phoenix team is a business, so should all I care about is how much money they're making?

Outsourcing is a business decision - I lost my job recently because of it...but I shouldn't be pissed off because it's just a a business decision?! Who cares if I get screwed, as long as the CEOs and shareholders are happy...that makes no sense - why, as a football fan, would you defend Sky's obligation to their stakeholders unless you are actually a Sky stakeholder?????


Cosimo2009-08-19 07:49:06
I like tautologies because I like them.
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james dean wrote:
The "devil's advocates" are making out that A-League fans are being unreasonable.
 
What is unreasonable about expecting:
3. Where sport is not shown live,for it to be shown delayed at a reasonable hour and in a reasonable proximity to the live showing of that match so that the delayed coverage still has relevance to the match itself
 
 
This is the major point of annoyance. I don't mind so much that a game isn't live. I do watch all the games, but generally on a Friday/Saturday when I have a lot on I record and watch the next morning.
 
Give me delayed coverage within 12 hours and I'll stop complaining.... but three or four days? Come on - how is that reasonable?
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james dean wrote:
The "devil's advocates" are making out that A-League fans are being unreasonable.
 
What is unreasonable about expecting:
 
1. Sport to which Sky has acquired the rights (which effectively subscribers have already paid for) to be shown Live where possible
 
2. Live sport to be preferred to replays of shows that have aired previously
 
3. Where sport is not shown live,for it to be shown delayed at a reasonable hour and in a reasonable proximity to the live showing of that match so that the delayed coverage still has relevance to the match itself
 
None of that seems unreasonable to me.  In fact, if I was running a subscription television channel that's pretty much how I would aim to keep my customers happy - by following those fairly simple principles.
 
It is also worth noting that almost all other sports that Sky has the live rights to receive that treatment.  It is not unreasonable to expect equivalent treatment.
 
All of the rest (responsibilities to advertiers, viewing figures, duties to shareholders, customer service, whether we have locally produced football coverage, identity of commentators, Premier League vs A-League) is all just background noise to these key issues. 
If you ran a tv channel you would be bankrupt in a year week. keep the customers happy?. what do you think they are doing? they cant please everyone, so the minority (a-league fans)gets shafted in favor of the majority. you guys are
 in such denial its scary.
Does anyone honestly believe they didnt calculate this pros/cons of full A- league ccoverage?
 
Most of you seem to have no idea what it is you are asking for, you just want what you want and dont care about how it gets done, stuff the advertisers, stuff the sponsors, stuff the other sports.
youre all acting like f**king children who have been told they cant have any loliies before bedtime.
you all need a god damn time out.
UberGunner2009-08-19 08:47:50
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UberGunner wrote:
Most of you seem to have no idea what it is you are asking for, you just want what you want and dont care about how it gets done, stuff the advertisers, stuff the sponsors, stuff the other sports.
youre all acting like f**king children who have been told they cant have any loliies before bedtime.
you all need a god damn time out.
 
I'm pretty sure I know what I want...
 
(1) Live A-League football when it doesn't clash with other live sport or significantly higher-rating other programmes.
 
(2) Replays of A-League games within a reasonable time-frame.
 
 
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I want to be able to watch Shane Smeltz score four goals (and not on some shty foreign website)

Founder

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liverpoolfan1 wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
Most of you seem to have no idea what it is you are asking for, you just want what you want and dont care about how it gets done, stuff the advertisers, stuff the sponsors, stuff the other sports.
youre all acting like f**king children who have been told they cant have any loliies before bedtime.
you all need a god damn time out.
 
I'm pretty sure I know what I want...
 
(1) Live A-League football when it doesn't clash with other live sport or significantly higher-rating other programmes.
 
(2) Replays of A-League games within a reasonable time-frame.
 
 
thats the problem. fair enough  if thats what you want, but everyone seems to think sky can just wave a magic wand and reshuffle their schedule, advertisers, re film promos, negotiate rescheduling with sponsors  etc.
It doesn't work like that. thats what annoys me. a lot of you guys think that because its available they can just stick it on and away we go.
by the end of the month if they haven't delivered on their promise of one extra live game a week, and decent scheduling of delayed coverage then fair dues, lay into them, buts its only been a couple of weeks, and schedules are planned and booked months in advance where possible.
 
Just show some patience.
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UberGunner wrote:
liverpoolfan1 wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
Most of you seem to have no idea what it is you are asking for, you just want what you want and dont care about how it gets done, stuff the advertisers, stuff the sponsors, stuff the other sports.
youre all acting like f**king children who have been told they cant have any loliies before bedtime.
you all need a god damn time out.
 
I'm pretty sure I know what I want...
 
(1) Live A-League football when it doesn't clash with other live sport or significantly higher-rating other programmes.
 
(2) Replays of A-League games within a reasonable time-frame.
 
 
thats the problem. fair enough  if thats what you want, but everyone seems to think sky can just wave a magic wand and reshuffle their schedule, advertisers, re film promos, negotiate rescheduling with sponsors  etc.
It doesn't work like that. thats what annoys me. a lot of you guys think that because its available they can just stick it on and away we go.
by the end of the month if they haven't delivered on their promise of one extra live game a week, and decent scheduling of delayed coverage then fair dues, lay into them, buts its only been a couple of weeks, and schedules are planned and booked months in advance where possible.
 
Just show some patience.
 
That would be all well and good if this was the first season in which Sky had provided A-League coverage. It's not. We had every right to expect continuity of our existing service.
 
Like I said, the major issue is the delayed coverage being 3 or 4 days.
 
The only other sport I know of that they do this to is with the highlights of Marathons. I don't complain about that because I haven't been used to paying for live or short-term delayed coverage - so they money I pay them is done with eyes open about what I can expect. With the A-League, the amount I pay is the same but I'm getting in return is not.
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UberGunner  I'm far from being a child, I have reasonable expectations of service as any customer expects, when I pay for that service and don't get it, I ask "why not?"

If I pay for my- "lollies before bedtime"- as you put it, I expect them on time, or near enough to it,and "wrapped" as well, thanks very much.

I dont want the "wrap" on Monday nights and my lollies (they're stale now) delivered on Thursday,Ta !!

I understand adbuys and scheduling happening weeks before broadcast and some ads are time slot specific for certain programmes
 but the majority of ads broadcast on Sky are run-of-station slot-fillers rather than targeted adbuys..random ads will appear in those spots regardless of the programme.
If I see repeats and replays of other sports,sometimes simultaneously, across the schedules for the sports channels I will certainly query Sky's commitment to live sports in general.
I also ask why the A-League games specifically couldn't have been played  overnight somewhere in the schedules, so we could at least record and view within 24 hours or a convenient time later.

Most customers, given an alternative, would go elsewhere..we don't have that option...yet.



  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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UberGunner wrote:
If you ran a tv channel you would be bankrupt in a year week. keep the customers happy?. what do you think they are doing? they cant please everyone, so the minority (a-league fans)gets shafted in favor of the majority. you guys are
 in such denial its scary.
Does anyone honestly believe they didnt calculate this pros/cons of full A- league ccoverage?
 
Most of you seem to have no idea what it is you are asking for, you just want what you want and dont care about how it gets done, stuff the advertisers, stuff the sponsors, stuff the other sports.
youre all acting like f**king children who have been told they cant have any loliies before bedtime.
you all need a god damn time out.


Give me a f**king break, Sky are a monopoly pay-tv provider in the most deregulated media market in the Western world owning the rights to all the major sports, even Karl Dodd as CEO could make a profit in that situation.

Sky have clearly calculated the pros and cons, they have calculated that by diminishing the value of live A-League coverage they can more easily get rid of it in the future and cut costs. Figuring that football fans won't cancel their subscriptions because they still have EPL, champions league and Phoenix games.

It's got nothing to do with ratings, Sky quite happily devoted full live coverage of the ANZ Netball Championships earlier this year at the expense of live NRL even though the ratings were abysmal because they have a direct financial interest in the competition.


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UberGunner wrote:
If you ran a tv channel you would be bankrupt in a year week. keep the customers happy?. what do you think they are doing? they cant please everyone, so the minority (a-league fans)gets shafted in favor of the majority. you guys are
 in such denial its scary.
 
 
If I walk into a shop or a pub, and get sh*t service, i'm in the minority - it won't make f**k all difference to profits if I never come back, as long as the precious majority get good service.
 
But it's bad business regardless. The minority is important.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Sky didn't f**k the A-league coverage, A-league fans not watching anything but the phoenix games for the last 2 years f**ked it.
look at yourselves and think what you have done to make showing the other a-league games a tempting option to sky?
even if their statement of 95% of viewers of the a-league only watched a phoenix matches is inaccurate it cant be too far from the truth, how do you justify continuing that business model when it is just pissing money away.
If the director of sports programming went to his boss and asked for the complete A-league package  he would struggle to argue his case for funding the full thing when they cant get  any sponsors or advertising in the other matches. Phoenix games - no problem, the rest... not so much..
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Cosimo wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
If you ran a tv channel you would be bankrupt in a year week. keep the customers happy?. what do you think they are doing? they cant please everyone, so the minority (a-league fans)gets shafted in favor of the majority. you guys are
 in such denial its scary.
 
 
If I walk into a shop or a pub, and get sh*t service, i'm in the minority - it won't make f**k all difference to profits if I never come back, as long as the precious majority get good service.
 
But it's bad business regardless. The minority is important.
I know exactly what you mean, i work in hosipitality where every customer is just as important as the rest, but sometimes someone comes along and wants to hire the venue for the night for a private function. the regulars get pissed at this but the money is too good to turn down, and at the end of the day, its about good business, sometimes you just cant please everyone, regardless of what you do.
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UberGunner wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
If you ran a tv channel you would be bankrupt in a year week. keep the customers happy?. what do you think they are doing? they cant please everyone, so the minority (a-league fans)gets shafted in favor of the majority. you guys are
 in such denial its scary.
 
 
If I walk into a shop or a pub, and get sh*t service, i'm in the minority - it won't make f**k all difference to profits if I never come back, as long as the precious majority get good service.
 
But it's bad business regardless. The minority is important.
I know exactly what you mean, i work in hosipitality where every customer is just as important as the rest, but sometimes someone comes along and wants to hire the venue for the night for a private function. the regulars get pissed at this but the money is too good to turn down, and at the end of the day, its about good business, sometimes you just cant please everyone, regardless of what you do.
 
What you say is fair enough, but I don't think it's a good analogy for the situation. No one's saying Sky should put a live A-League game on instead of something that rates higher, such as live just-about-anything; people just want a live A-League game instead of low rating repeats of something.
 
Live sport should take priority where it doesn't clash, as Liverpoolfan said.
 
 
Cosimo2009-08-19 10:02:43
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Quote "thats the problem. fair enough  if thats what you want, but everyone seems to think sky can just wave a magic wand and reshuffle their schedule, advertisers, re film promos, negotiate rescheduling with sponsors  etc.
It doesn't work like that. thats what annoys me. a lot of you guys think that because its available they can just stick it on and away we go.
by the end of the month if they haven't delivered on their promise of one extra live game a week, and decent scheduling of delayed coverage then fair dues, lay into them, buts its only been a couple of weeks, and schedules are planned and booked months in advance where possible"

Sorry don't know how to quote properly.

I was just wondering. Wasn't SKY able to reshuffle its schedule in week one, at very short notice, to show the opening match?  It can't be that hard then can it?
 

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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Am I showing signs of being beaten then, when all I want is the chance to watch the game within 12 hours? Even 24 hours would do at this point.
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You have to wonder whether the "prior commitments to scheduling" argument is just blowing smoke..?

Is the actual reason for Sky's treatment of A-League more about protecting their significant investment ..or the parent company's investment... in other sports, particularly rugby?
With the A-League on the rise in terms of more teams,football in Australia building profile with the Socceroos qualifying for the World Cup, Wellington's little foot-in-the-door on a Great Big World Of Hurt for Sky might be particularly irksome right now..especially given Sky's untidy recent past involvement in A-League ownership.
A sellout crowd at the ROF and NZ qualifying for the World Cup too would be icing on the cake, I'd imagine..the cherry on top being the Nix qualifying top 6 and pushing on...
Yes dreams are free...and Sky's subs aren't...we'll see, I guess.
RedGed2009-08-19 22:26:15

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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Does SKY or TVNZ have the rights to the WC Qualifier does anyone know?

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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Both games?
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Sent a message to TVNZ. doubt it will do any good. But hope that they could run a story. Telling of SKYs mistreatment. I vaguely remember them doing it once before a long time ago. I mean it would help get the football comunity on their side and advertise the fact they have the WC Q

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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UberGunner wrote:
Sky didn't f**k the A-league coverage, A-league fans not watching anything but the phoenix games for the last 2 years f**ked it.
look at yourselves and think what you have done to make showing the other a-league games a tempting option to sky?
even if their statement of 95% of viewers of the a-league only watched a phoenix matches is inaccurate it cant be too far from the truth, how do you justify continuing that business model when it is just pissing money away.
If the director of sports programming went to his boss and asked for the complete A-league package  he would struggle to argue his case for funding the full thing when they cant get  any sponsors or advertising in the other matches. Phoenix games - no problem, the rest... not so much..


What has been highlighted for me in this discussion is the importance of programming my Sky decoder correctly each week for the football...and a question about lies, damn lies and statistics.

When I'm at the rellies, where I know I can watch the A-league, I don't give a thought to my decoder at home....apparently its been merrily telling Sky I'd seen all the replays of the Air New Zealand Cup rugby,the golf live and replays and the Kayaking to boot on any given night... but no A-League..it was on another channel!

Not anymore.
 That blessed decoder is programmed with every football game or programme going,whether I'm home or not. And its on previews channel or Rialto for safety if I go out.

While I'm at my rellies watching, their Sky decoder is telling them that decoder is watching the A-League.
It doesn't know that the rooms full of swearing yelling hooting fans ..or how many eyeballs are glued to the screen at any one time?
Sky as a business has to measure performance and viewer numbers of course..but its not the complete picture.

RedGed2009-08-19 16:34:58

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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I guess the problem for me is with regard to the showing of football on sky sports and the the other sports that they are choosing to show. There must be lots of sports that they show that dont have a huge following baseball etc but they still show it. I would prefer to see a dedicated sports channel for football akin to the rugby channel and i would be happy to subscribe to it....and then maybe ditch the sh*te movie channels

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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I found it funny (just watching the replay of the Nix)  Andrew Dewhurst commenting on how good all the goals were from the games played over the weekend and how good the A-league has become as a whole yet all we were afforded to make our own decisions was a 1minute highlight package just before the Nix kicked off  
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I thought that too when I got home and re-watched the match.
 
Have to say though, despite forebodings about how bad a commentator who would be from comments here, I thought he was okay.... ( despite having apparently had access to watch those games we haven't had yet).
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RedGed wrote:

What has been highlighted for me in this discussion is the importance of programming my Sky decoder correctly each week for the football...and a question about lies, damn lies and statistics.
 
On that, do we have a simple way of finding out when games are going to be shown? Right now, I have to scroll as far forward as the EPG will allow.
 
That's one week, but of course with 4 day delays that's a lot of scrolling and you can only find the match on the guide when you're approaching the weekend itself.
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bxela123 wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
Im tired of being the devils advocate but people have to realise that it's a business decision
 
Exactly.  And I can see only two categories of people who have a right to question this decision:
 
1. Sky shareholders
2. Those Sky customers, who were enticed to join or stay with Sky by a promise (if such indeed was ever made) that has been since broken.
 
Sky has no obligations to football fans in general.
 
Well I was one of those then. I joined Sky so I could watch football. There was NO indication from Sky that their A-League coverage was changing, other than speculation on here a few days before the season started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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UberGunner wrote:
Sky didn't f**k the A-league coverage, A-league fans not watching anything but the phoenix games for the last 2 years f**ked it.
look at yourselves and think what you have done to make showing the other a-league games a tempting option to sky?
even if their statement of 95% of viewers of the a-league only watched a phoenix matches is inaccurate it cant be too far from the truth, how do you justify continuing that business model when it is just pissing money away.
If the director of sports programming went to his boss and asked for the complete A-league package  he would struggle to argue his case for funding the full thing when they cant get  any sponsors or advertising in the other matches. Phoenix games - no problem, the rest... not so much..
 
That may be true (I dunno, I wasn't even in NZ for Phoenix season 1) but surely this year the viewership is more likely to increase?? We have ex-Phoenix players and other Kiwis over there, not to mention guys like Fowler being added into the mix along with 2 brand new teams. For me, the A-League is looking a lot more exciting than it has in previous years, and I don't know if anyone else is feeling the same?
 
Even stupid stuff like having the new strips and getting to see the new stadiums ramps up the interest levels.
 
I think Sky would find that more people would tune in this season than before but how will they ever know with this terrible coverage?
 
If they MUST show only one game a week, could they at least make it the 'biggest' game of the week, whoever that may be?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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RedGed wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
Sky didn't f**k the A-league coverage, A-league fans not watching anything but the phoenix games for the last 2 years f**ked it.
look at yourselves and think what you have done to make showing the other a-league games a tempting option to sky?
even if their statement of 95% of viewers of the a-league only watched a phoenix matches is inaccurate it cant be too far from the truth, how do you justify continuing that business model when it is just pissing money away.
If the director of sports programming went to his boss and asked for the complete A-league package  he would struggle to argue his case for funding the full thing when they cant get  any sponsors or advertising in the other matches. Phoenix games - no problem, the rest... not so much..


What has been highlighted for me in this discussion is the importance of programming my Sky decoder correctly each week for the football...and a question about lies, damn lies and statistics.

If I was at the rellies, where I knew I could watch the A-league, I didn't give a thought to my decoder at home..whichapparently has merrily told Sky I'd seen all the replays of the Air New Zealand Cup,the golf live and replays and the Kayaking to boot that night... but no A-League..it was on another channel.

Not anymore.
 That blessed decoder is programmed with every football game or programme going,whether I'm home or not. And its on previews channel or Rialto for safety if I go out.

While I'm at my rellies watching, their Sky decoder is telling them that decoder is watching the A-League.
It doesn't know that the rooms full of swearing yelling hooting fans ..or how many eyeballs are glued to the screen at any one time?
Sky as a business has to measure performance and viewer numbers of course..but its not the complete picture.

 
Exactly - I mean how many people were in the Four Kings for the Newcastle game the other week?? 500 or so? Does that just register with Sky as '1' viewer???
 
Football is surely more of a 'watch in the pub' sport than the likes of netball, kayaking, golf etc so these viewing figures are somewhat inaccurate I would suggest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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at the end of the day they made a decision for better or worse the best we can do is watch what they do offer religiously and prove they made a mistake, that full a-league coverage is viable financially, then we can only expect things to improve. Even if as Steve-O said the viewership is likely to increase this year, they only had the figures for the last 2 years to go on. Those are the same figures that advertisers and sponsors look at aswell. If things bounce back, the sponsors will jump on board again and we will all win, us, Sky and the sponsors.
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Steve-O wrote:
RedGed wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
Sky didn't f**k the A-league coverage, A-league fans not watching anything but the phoenix games for the last 2 years f**ked it.
look at yourselves and think what you have done to make showing the other a-league games a tempting option to sky?
even if their statement of 95% of viewers of the a-league only watched a phoenix matches is inaccurate it cant be too far from the truth, how do you justify continuing that business model when it is just pissing money away.
If the director of sports programming went to his boss and asked for the complete A-league package  he would struggle to argue his case for funding the full thing when they cant get  any sponsors or advertising in the other matches. Phoenix games - no problem, the rest... not so much..


What has been highlighted for me in this discussion is the importance of programming my Sky decoder correctly each week for the football...and a question about lies, damn lies and statistics.

If I was at the rellies, where I knew I could watch the A-league, I didn't give a thought to my decoder at home..whichapparently has merrily told Sky I'd seen all the replays of the Air New Zealand Cup,the golf live and replays and the Kayaking to boot that night... but no A-League..it was on another channel.

Not anymore.
 That blessed decoder is programmed with every football game or programme going,whether I'm home or not. And its on previews channel or Rialto for safety if I go out.

While I'm at my rellies watching, their Sky decoder is telling them that decoder is watching the A-League.
It doesn't know that the rooms full of swearing yelling hooting fans ..or how many eyeballs are glued to the screen at any one time?
Sky as a business has to measure performance and viewer numbers of course..but its not the complete picture.

 
Exactly - I mean how many people were in the Four Kings for the Newcastle game the other week?? 500 or so? Does that just register with Sky as '1' viewer???
 
Football is surely more of a 'watch in the pub' sport than the likes of netball, kayaking, golf etc so these viewing figures are somewhat inaccurate I would suggest.
pub/club/ enetretainment Venue decoders count seperatley for ratings and billing. be have to purchase cahnnels on a individual basis. the BB has 2 decoders with 5 sky channels - sport plus the box (free to air channels are free), and we pay around $800 a month.
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UberGunner wrote:
pub/club/ enetretainment Venue decoders count seperatley for ratings and billing. be have to purchase cahnnels on a individual basis. the BB has 2 decoders with 5 sky channels - sport plus the box (free to air channels are free), and we pay around $800 a month.
 
Fair enough, wondered how that worked re: ratings.
 
I know pubs have to pay some crazy amounts though, worse in the UK, five figure sums for a season (in pounds that is)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Exactly - I mean how many people were in the Four Kings for the Newcastle game the other week?? 500 or so? Does that just register with Sky as '1' viewer???
 
Football is surely more of a 'watch in the pub' sport than the likes of netball, kayaking, golf etc so these viewing figures are somewhat inaccurate I would suggest.
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I dunno. There must be a pub around with 500 packed in for a kayaking night, surely?
They could do a free pint offer if you wear your favourite kayakers wet suit or bring a paddle.
Royal2009-08-19 13:48:22
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How can repeats showing of Kayaking and golf compared to LIVE A-League are being justified???

And if it has been preseason booked in their schedules, that has to be a joke since the TV programmers in advanced, has the A-League itinerary to make their schedules so there should be no clashes.AllWhitebelievr2009-08-19 13:45:56
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Royal wrote:
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Exactly - I mean how many people were in the Four Kings for the Newcastle game the other week?? 500 or so? Does that just register with Sky as '1' viewer???
 
Football is surely more of a 'watch in the pub' sport than the likes of netball, kayaking, golf etc so these viewing figures are somewhat inaccurate I would suggest.
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I dunno. There must be a pub around with 500 packed in for a kayaking night, surely?
They could do a free pint offer if you wear your favourite kayakers wet suit or bring a paddle.
 
haha good call sir!
I like tautologies because I like them.
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