Transfer Talk - 2018/19 Season

He'll be use to mediocrity too

I'm starting to think some young kiwis are picking up the young Brit attitude of wanting/expecting it all with out putting the effort in.  I also wonder if this plays a part in the current ferns fiasco (entitled/snowflake syndrome).

Nah, the snowflakes are the older white men who go whining to the media about CONSPIRACY every time a young person won't put up with their shark

The thing with domestic players not wanting to play for the Nix is surely their belief that the Nix is a shark club which is doomed to collapse and won't look good on their CV.

It's not a new thing. Too many think when they play for the AWs and/or at national league they've "made it". Only have to look at the number who sign lower league/youth deals overseas and are back home within a couple of years. The recent interview with Boyd summed it up - you have to very single-minded to really achieve. And the fact that so many NRFL clubs are prepared to pay stupid money to have these guys makes it easy for them to take the easy road.

Given that a large chunk of the Ferns squad do actually have pro contracts around the world suggests they don't fit into the "entitled" camp

Or they’re already on more money ‘coaching’ while playing in an ‘amateur’ league. 

Beginning to sound like there are some in NZ who think they are better than they are. Then again has always been a problem here of coaches/parents inflating the egos of their little johnnies.

Ever notice that the coaches son was always captain and NEVER got dropped?

It's hard to come out looking like roses when you're playing for a team 10ft deep in manure.

Some players come out looking better. Seen that they managed to do well at a struggling club, speaks volumes for them.

Can kiss goodbye the hopes and dreams of Torres coming to the A-League.

Sagan Tosu announced that he will be joining them and wearing the #9 Jersey

https://twitter.com/MattHDGamer/status/1016614715005526017

Very good first signing from Rudan, Needed that experience, knowledge and work ethic at the back. Also feel he'll be a very good signing for a player like Dylan Fox, who should be relishing the fact he'll be able to pick this guys brains every day on the training field and on matchday.  

Good start, who've we got lined up next?

this a prank:

"I know that I am joining an exciting project under Mark as well as playing in one of the best leagues in the world in the A-League

Or maybe Payne? As neither of these two have actually trialled yet?

Still my money would be on Howieson. And no you can’t just expect a pro contract. Rudan would barely know him, and so of course the coach wants to see him trial before offering a deal. He's not a guy who's had a 10 year career in the EPL.

Disappointing that Cole Peverley and Kris Bright replying to Piney's twitter post, seem to back the attitude of this AWs player (presumably Howieson), ie if you get picked for a weakened AWs team, you are automatically good enough for a Nix contract. Esp since the Nix have a new coach who will know very little about standard of Handy Prem, or best players in it. It's a soft, entitled outlook.

Maybe like Albert Riera, Howieson just doesn’t want to be a day in day out pro footballer. Maybe burnt out after stints at Burnley and Scotland, struggling away. Doesn’t he have a PT business? Throw in some coaching, and starring at Handy level and maybe that’s his lot.

Anyway is rightly the wrong attitude for coach Rudan.

Contrasts poorly to the current bunch of young Kiwis, all heading off to Europe determined to try their luck. Also kudos to Welnix academy where a few of these kids, have been based the last few years. Whether the academy is financed by Welnix or lottery funds, it's producing results (and not just Singh & Libby)!

If you're Fritz Schmid, do you reckon you keep picking Payne and Howieson if they are not prepared to push on to professional football at the Phoenix? Like I get that Payne is a starting New Zealand player but is it really that offensive to be asked to trial, even if you think you are good enough? If you are THAT good then Rudan will sign you after the trial anyway... 

Like the Phoenix academy amateurs?

The nix academy players are on more than the nix first team players? That’d certainly be unusual. 

Maybe they do a lot of ‘coaching’

And Ole players are too good for The Nix

I’m guessing it’s Howieson who choose not to trial and not Payne. Get feeling Payne would love to be a full time pro.

Midfield is not exactly a strength of the AWs, but turning down an opportunity to be a full time pro, shows a lack of ambition and that can’t sit well with Schmid as national coach. Plus in the coming FIFA windows he will have hopefully much more a full strength team to pick, plus is now a growing number of youngsters getting overseas pro gigs, which will see some of them come into AWs environment in the near future.

Future full strength AWs sides are unlikely to have many if any Handy Prem players.

It's just as I said - there is a feeling of contempt out there among "semi-pro" footballers that the Nix are a shark club not worth doing any work for.

However, it is their decision and their career, its just disappointing that some of our best domestic players have that level of disrespect for the "only" professional club in NZ.

Perhaps this is a reason for the state of NZ football - people can make a good living from "shamateurism" at the HandyPrem or even lower levels (Pevs plays in the WaiBOP premiership FFS) so why should they make the commitment to being a pro.

I was absolutely amazed when I found out how much women pros make at the top level in Europe - something like $30,000 our money. Less than minimum A-League wage. And yet these ladies take a decade out of their lives to do it professionally, for love of the game / personal challenge. That's the attitude that we need from our top local male footballers.

Until that day, I will not support "affirmative action" at the Nix for (male) Kiwi players who want everything handed to them on a plate.

Not sure where you get your sums from, but the one femal pro I know is closer to $150k.

I don't like the attitude, but if you are getting paid more to play as an amatuer, and have the opportunity every year to play at the club world cup and get a nice cup bonus for showing up, the reality is a low paying Pro gig probably doesn't hold too much appeal.

Good thing Auckland City / Eastern Suburbs won the OCL.

That will eat into the $80-100k I hear some Auckland region players get paid to play amateur football coach.

Fixed. Remember that some of these players have already failed to make the grade as pros once. Makes you wonder why when you hear these stories...

don't be so sure.

Also.  Might pay to be careful we don't unfairly malign players.  If we could talk in generalisations might be better as Piney mentioned one player and assumptions have been made about who that is that could be right or wrong.

Would be poor form to lay into someone who is not in this boat.

Exactly. Plus FIFA are looking to move the CWC to a 4 year cycle. 

So you may spend your career playing in one of the best teams, in NZ - but that's all you are doing. Big fish in a tiny pond, and all that.

That is true, but if Piney's story is correct - it can only be one of two players Howieson or Payne.

Apologies to Howieson if is not him.

I don't think anyone is necessarily to blame for any of this. I keep trying to compare some of these footballing scenarios to examples in the real world and I can't blame these guys for making the choices they have because [I assume] they are doing what they think is best for them. As a young man I had the opportunity to turn pro but turned it down because I already had started a career that firstly was paying more than I was offered to play and certainly had better long term prospects [I stayed with that employer for 23 years]. In those days, we all [or 99% of us] actually had jobs or careers outside the game and the dream of being a world class professional or even making a decent living from the game was a bit of a stretch. These days, there are far more opportunities to make a decent living from the game and so many youngsters would give their right bollock to be a pro, at any level. The likes of Howieson who have already dangled their foot in the pro water, have more insight that most into how hard the pro road is and I can't blame them for thinking, "do I want to go through all of this again?"

Three New Zealanders are scattered across the NWSL, and one of them, Rosie White, had to switch teams after her club folded. The salary levels aren’t amazing either – a minimum pay over the season of $15,000 USD, out of a $350,000 total salary cap. And it’s not much better in Europe either, where an average salary is about $30,000 a year.

The article isn't written very well - they might mean the latter figure to be in $US, in which case it's still less than A-League minimum wage.

https://twitter.com/ByPhillipRollo/status/10168356...

Been with QPR U-23 but was loaned out to Chelmsford City

https://us.soccerway.com/players/joshua-wallen/543...

Just watched a few bits and pieces online. 

Looks Tim Payne-ish / Alex Rodrigues-y styled player. Was playing DM in the game I saw. 

I think people are just annoyed as many want those two to get a shot as they're decent players, but turns out they were offered a foot in the door but didn't take it. - Rollo

Apparently both turned it down. Have to respect their choice. Also, why is it wrong for a football player to earn money coaching?

It's not. The problem some people have is with "coaching" as a cover for under-the-table payments. Shamateurism.