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thegaffa wrote:
Elliottt had a great world cup but I don't think he is what the Phoenix need. Surely It would make more sense to sign Clapham Ive watched him plenty of times in NZFC and he can make some players look very average. I enjoy watching Phoenix but Id love to see a creative Clapham playing in midfield. Maybe even a Roy Krishna up front.�


Get your NZFC blinkers off. Both players have trained or trialled with the Phoenix and Ricki didn't like what he saw. Mulligan is tearing up the ASB Premiership, and we all know what he was like at the Phoenix. Elliottt would do the same if he was playing amateur football. The fact he starts and is a standout on many occasions for the All Whites, proves that he is better than Clapham. Maybe one day we will sign the latter, but he's not better than Elliottt, and Krishna is not even close to starting material.
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Elliott is the man, can't wait to salute him in a nix shirt.

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Black Plague wrote:
Elliottt is the man, can't wait to salute him in a nix shirt.
 
It pisses me off we have to sign Elliottt - not because  I don't think he will make a positive difference. I think he will add much needed creativity to a very lackluster midfield. What frustrates me is the reason we have to sign him is because Diego has proved to be the waste of space many knew he would be, Toto has barely been deemed good enough for any game time, Ward is hot and cold and Brown has gone MIA.
 
I will welcome Elliottt's signing and hope he sparks our season but I also hope that Herbert has learned from the poor recruitment that has necessitated Elliottt's signing.
 
I also take my hat off to Terry AGAIN - it's not like he can afford to shell out for Elliottt yet he has dug deep AGAIN.
 
I also want to see North starting - it is bloody ridiculous to have player of his ability not in the starting 11. We have a grand final CB combination just waiting to get re-established.  
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Does anyone wonder whether Terry and Ricki always planned to sign him up halfway through the season to save a bit of coin? Just a thought
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Whitby boy wrote:
Black Plague wrote:
Elliotttt is the man, can't wait to salute him in a nix shirt.



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It pisses me off we have to sign Elliotttt - not because� I don't think he will make a positive difference. I think he will add much needed creativity to a very lackluster midfield. What frustrates me is�the reason we have to sign him is because Diego has proved to be the waste of space many knew he would be, Toto has barely been deemed good enough for any game time, Ward is hot and cold and Brown has gone MIA.

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I will welcome Elliotttt's signing and hope he sparks our season�but I also�hope that Herbert has learned from the poor recruitment that has necessitated Elliotttt's signing.

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I also take my hat off to Terry AGAIN�- it's not like he�can afford to shell out for Elliotttt yet he has dug deep AGAIN.

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I also want to see North starting - it is bloody ridiculous to have player of his ability not in the starting 11. We have�a grand final�CB combination just waiting to get re-established.��

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great to sign Elliott but disagree with some points
Brown- not ricky's fault he gone missing in action, played great last year
Ward - so is the team. i agree he is little hot and cold but it the same with the rest of the team
North - so you dont remember the game a couple weeks ago when he got benched at half time? or did i just imagine that?

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Whitby boy wrote:
It pisses me off we have to sign Elliotttt - not because  I don't think he will make a positive difference. I think he will add much needed creativity to a very lackluster midfield. What frustrates me is the reason we have to sign him is because Diego has proved to be the waste of space many knew he would be, Toto has barely been deemed good enough for any game time, Ward is hot and cold and Brown has gone MIA.[/quote]
 
It has been observed that changes in footballing systems can make players less effective.
 
Whitby boy wrote:
I will welcome Elliotttt's signing and hope he sparks our season but I also hope that Herbert has learned from the poor recruitment that has necessitated Elliotttt's signing.
 
 
[QUOTE=Whitby boy]I also take my hat off to Terry AGAIN - it's not like he can afford to shell out for Elliotttt yet he has dug deep AGAIN.
 
I also want to see North starting - it is bloody ridiculous to have player of his ability not in the starting 11. We have a grand final CB combination just waiting to get re-established.  
 
Yeah.  Good thing the club got rid of McKain.  Pity that Al-Nassr only paid $1.5 million for him - a mere 60% of the club's salary cap!
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Brown - MIA  yet gets to start week in week out ? What system requires a midfielder to be invisible ?
 
North >>>>>>> Sigmund, even on a bad day yet can't make the bench let alone starting 11.
 
Toto - where ?
 
Diego - who ?
 
Mac - ????
 
My point is we are paying the price, in terms of position on the ladder and having to shell out for Elliottt, for poor recruitment.
 
Remember all the talk in the off season was about signing players who would be starters.
 
Having said that I'm glad Terry is prepared to do that but really what choice did he have - our season is going nowhere fast and something had to change. As was the case last year when we signed Dadi and Reedy.
 
P.S. McKain's transfer fee was fantastic for the club but let's be honest - that was down to his old coach moving to a cashed up Saudi club.
 
Whitby boy2010-10-31 16:40:27
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Did we get $1.5 million for McKain? If so, man that's a sweet deal. But I totally agree with everyone who suggests North > Sigmund.
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We're getting closer and closer to signing him...hurry up Ricki!
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Whitby boy wrote:
Brown - MIA  yet gets to start week in week out ? What system requires a midfielder to be invisible ?
 
North >>>>>>> Sigmund, even on a bad day yet can't make the bench let alone starting 11.
 
Toto - where ?
 
Diego - who ?
 
Mac - ????
 
My point is we are paying the price, in terms of position on the ladder and having to shell out for Elliotttt, for poor recruitment.
 
Remember all the talk in the off season was about signing players who would be starters.
 
Having said that I'm glad Terry is prepared to do that but really what choice did he have - our season is going nowhere fast and something had to change. As was the case last year when we signed Dadi and Reedy.
 
P.S. McKain's transfer fee was fantastic for the club but let's be honest - that was down to his old coach moving to a cashed up Saudi club.
 
Diego was signed last season, and I haven't seem Big Mac do too much wrong. Or Toto for that matter

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Whitby boy wrote:
Brown - MIA  yet gets to start week in week out ? What system requires a midfielder to be invisible ?
 
North >>>>>>> Sigmund, even on a bad day yet can't make the bench let alone starting 11.
 
Toto - where ?
 
Diego - who ?
 
Mac - ????
 
My point is we are paying the price, in terms of position on the ladder and having to shell out for Elliotttt, for poor recruitment.
 
Remember all the talk in the off season was about signing players who would be starters.
 
Having said that I'm glad Terry is prepared to do that but really what choice did he have - our season is going nowhere fast and something had to change. As was the case last year when we signed Dadi and Reedy.
 
P.S. McKain's transfer fee was fantastic for the club but let's be honest - that was down to his old coach moving to a cashed up Saudi club.
 


Brown's been out of it since the World Cup, I think not getting to play there really affected him mentally.
I think North's a bit overrated, he's not that good from what I've seen of him and Sigmund plays quite well as a fullback.
You can't judge Toto, he's hardly played.
Diego won't be around next season.
Macallister just needs to get his fitness up and form a better connection with Ifill before I'll be wanting to see him back in the side again.

Just wondering but have we still got McMaster? Or did he leave when we signed Vukovic?
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McMaster is training with the Victory, heard it when I was watching the highlights of their game against Adelaide
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Feverish wrote:
Diego was signed last season, and I haven't seem Big Mac do too much wrong. Or Toto for that matter
 
Diego was a bad signing that could have been avoided.
 
Mac - I have no problem with his attitude and I think, when he plays, he plays to the best of his abilities but I just don't think he is good enough to fill the role we were recruiting for i.e. player to partner Greeny and be an automatic starter.
 
I agree with Toto comment - I would like to have seen him given more of chance and, when we have other midfielders playing poorly, I can only assume he doesn't look to have the goods on the training pitch.
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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I'd love Elliottttt to sign but it seems kind of pointless only having him here for a handful of games.

Feverish wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:
Brown -�MIA �yet gets to start week in week out ? What system requires a midfielder to be invisible ?
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North >>>>>>> Sigmund, even on a bad day yet can't make the�bench let alone starting 11.

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Toto - where ?

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Diego - who ?

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Mac - ????

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My point is we are paying the price, in terms of position on the ladder and having to shell out for Elliotttttt, for poor recruitment.

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Remember all the talk in the off season was about signing players who would be starters.

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Having said that I'm glad Terry is prepared to do that but really what choice did he have - our season is going nowhere fast and something had to change. As was the case last year when we signed Dadi and Reedy.

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P.S. McKain's transfer fee was fantastic for the club but let's be honest - that was down to�his old coach moving to a cashed up Saudi club.

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Diego was signed last season, and I haven't seem Big Mac do too much wrong. Or Toto for that matter


and have you seen big Mac do anything good? He was given enough chances to.

Ricki sees Toto in training every day and obviously he isn't up to scratch.

Diego was a silly signing. Adelaide let him go for a reason. Ward will turn out the same.valeo2010-10-31 17:42:34

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Ward has potential and has shown it. North is obviously the same, so let the pair find their feet before we trash them.
MacAllister has also shown potential, however when we play him the tactics switch to lobbed balls forward/into the box and this just isn't working, particularly as the delivery has been poor. If Elliottt plays anywhere near as good as at the World Cup, that delivery will be there.
Toto has hardly played - so it really may be a case of him not looking the goods, or having the right attitude in training. Has shown glimpses of potential though.
I really cannot wait to see this team fire - the potential really is there!
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Elliott....bring him on!!

Great signing IMO. The guy has got everything we need to ignite our lacklustre season. Anyone who looked good in the midfield playing Italy in the WC will do OK in the A-League.
 
Imagine.....a Nix midfielder with a some creative vision, who can pass well with either foot, who's vastly experanced at a high level, who is currently in good form, who knows quite a few of the lads and will slot in easily. Yes please!!!!
 
Not sure how soon he will make an appearance but next Wednesday against the Roar would be fine! The team looks like they are playing with no confidence....Elliott calm direction in midfield could be just what we need.
 
Big thankyou to Terry for digging deep and coming up with the $$$ for this signing!!! Could pay off with a few more punters through the gate to see Elliott play....and maybe a revitalised team.
 
 
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Luis Garcia wrote:
thegaffa wrote:
Elliotttt had a great world cup but I don't think he is what the Phoenix need. Surely It would make more sense to sign Clapham Ive watched him plenty of times in NZFC and he can make some players look very average. I enjoy watching Phoenix but Id love to see a creative Clapham playing in midfield. Maybe even a Roy Krishna up front. 


Get your NZFC blinkers off. Both players have trained or trialled with the Phoenix and Ricki didn't like what he saw. Mulligan is tearing up the ASB Premiership, and we all know what he was like at the Phoenix. Elliotttt would do the same if he was playing amateur football. The fact he starts and is a standout on many occasions for the All Whites, proves that he is better than Clapham. Maybe one day we will sign the latter, but he's not better than Elliotttt, and Krishna is not even close to starting material.
I've been a season member from day one and missed only three home games.  I have very little idea what Mulligan was like at the Phoenix.  Herbert gave him time in three games, and I think mostly in a position he'd not favour, but I may be wrong with that. While a bunch of players have had a heap of chances and looked ordinary.  Ferrante in particular. 
Same with Toto.  I watched him play at hutt park v NZ U21 I think it was and thought he looked quick, possiby very quick, enthusiastic, creative with a lot of good first touches and flicks that the other Nix players were too slow to anticipate.  Plus prepared to work back in defense.
 
I'd be interested in why most on this forum seem to write of both of those guys. Maybe Toto hasn't stood up physically at practices.  He's small.  Dunno.  And Mulligan could hardly have been worse than Hearfield and Sigmund trying to play right back.
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valeo wrote:
and have you seen big Mac do anything good? He was given enough chances to.

Ricki sees Toto in training every day and obviously he isn't up to scratch.

Diego was a silly signing. Adelaide let him go for a reason. Ward will turn out the same.
I have liked McAllister has been good when he has played. And I don't think you can even comment on Ward..

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Good signing but it begs the question why he wasn't signed earlier? Now he's just signing in a 'guest spot' but really we've been struggling in midfield most of the season.
 
Anyway, hopefully we can get some decent points out of him over the next 10 games!

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toto - i think his list of 3 thousand clubs in a decade might have been a clue. He's averaged something like a dozen games per year throughout his career. He was always a ridiculous signing, pobably only to get us our mandatory player quota in place before the FFA deadline.
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Marius Lacatus wrote:
toto - i think his list of 3 thousand clubs in a decade might have been a clue. He's averaged something like a dozen games per year throughout his career. He was always a ridiculous signing, pobably only to get us our mandatory player quota in place before the FFA deadline.


Agreed
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Marius Lacatus wrote:
toto - i think his list of 3 thousand clubs in a decade might have been a clue. He's averaged something like a dozen games per year throughout his career. He was always a ridiculous signing, pobably only to get us our mandatory player quota in place before the FFA deadline.
he puts on a decent half time show with Daniel

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Footpaul wrote:
Ward has potential and has shown it. North is obviously the same, so let the pair find their feet before we trash them.
MacAllister has also shown potential, however when we play him the tactics switch to lobbed balls forward/into the box and this just isn't working, particularly as the delivery has been poor. If Elliotttt plays anywhere near as good as at the World Cup, that delivery will be there.
Toto has hardly played - so it really may be a case of him not looking the goods, or having the right attitude in training. Has shown glimpses of potential though.
I really cannot wait to see this team fire - the potential really is there!
 
oh please doing some  flashy tricks once in a while is not potential. Potential is doing the basics and then adding to your game. I dislike it when people pick out bits of a players game. If you want potential then hearfield has potential with a whole season playing on the right side of mid im sure he'd develop the confidence and become a good player. But hey thats not how football works.
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Yeah but remember his first touch in a nix shirt,that fancy flick he did. Gosh he is amazing. What? It went into touch? well,thats too bad but gosh he has potential.

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awesome, this may give the midfield a little shake up....

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From the Dom - "Elliottt will add leadership and creativity to the Phoenix cause, although he might also pose some selection headaches in the central midfield because Tim Brown and Nick Ward are on the club's books"

Ha! What headaches would those be, whether Brown should slot in to the position of waterboy, or whether he'd be better suited to ball boy?!

On second thought, that's a tough one.
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ShowUsYaNix wrote:
From the Dom - "Elliotttt will add leadership and creativity to the Phoenix cause, although he might also pose some selection headaches in the central midfield because Tim Brown and Nick Ward are on the club's books"

Ha! What headaches would those be, whether Brown should slot in to the position of waterboy, or whether he'd be better suited to ball boy?!

On second thought, that's a tough one.
 

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Tegal wrote:
Yeah but remember his first touch in a nix shirt,that fancy flick he did. Gosh he is amazing. What? It went into touch? well,thats too bad but gosh he has potential.
 
In football, we tend to say that the ball goes out of play rather than "into touch". Just sayin' 

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Radio Sport this morning said Elliottt will be signed as an injury replacement for Lockhead and Toto and will be retained until both those players are fit
 
Toto injury? 
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Toto injury?�


Yeah, Marius dealt to him with a hammer.

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mjp2 wrote:
Radio Sport this morning said Elliotttt will be signed as an injury replacement for Lockhead and Toto and will be retained until both those players are fit
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Toto injury?�


Convenient much? It happened while the camera crews were there covering Mr Elliottt at the nix training

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mjp2 wrote:
Radio Sport this morning said Elliotttt will be signed as an injury replacement for Lockhead and Toto and will be retained until both those players are fit
 
Toto injury? 


I thought with injury replacement contracts, they have to play the same position? If thats the case it would be Toto's injury he is cover for, but doubt we could call Lochhead a midfielder.
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Ryan's Rovers wrote:

mjp2 wrote:
Radio Sport this morning said Elliottttt will be signed as an injury replacement for Lockhead and Toto and will be retained until both those players are fit
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Toto injury?�
I thought with injury replacement contracts, they have to play the same position? If thats the case it would be Toto's injury he is cover for, but doubt we could call Lochhead a midfielder.


Isn't that the same as calling Toto a midfielder?

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I heard on Radio Sport that he would be considered an injury replacement until one of them was fit again rather than both. In that case how long are we likely to have him for? I thought Lochead was an 8-12 week type thing and we must be around week 6/7 of that.
 
All for signing him, just hope he is around long enough to make a difference.

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lochy 3-4 week away i think
The replacement rule was pretty loose a couple of years ago. Wasnt it Sydney who got in a striker for a defender? Bridges maybe?

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The Herald says that Simon will be a injury replacement at first, but then the transfer window will open in a few weeks and he could be picked up longer-term at that stage.

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Doloras wrote:
mjp2 wrote:

Toto injury? 


Yeah, Marius dealt to him with a hammer.
 

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The Nix site press release says injury replacement for Toto
 
so where's all the insiders and guys who go to watch practices when you need them
wtf is the problem with Toto = how long do we expect to have Elliottt?
"It's a short little stint ..." says Elliottt
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