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After watching the performance of our strikers this season....I have been a little underwelmed. The last straw was the performance of Greenie and Dmac against the Fury. The conditions should have suited them both but they looked slow, inaccurate and not very lethal.
We really have to hit the transfer market next season. Greenie at 33 is showing signs of falling off the pace and is totally unequiped to play solo upfront. Dmac is just a journeyman. Pav has some potential but is nowhere good enough at the moment to lead the line.
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Yup 100% percent with you there.

I would personally like 2 new striking options signed over the summer. 1 being a goal scoring machine, or at least an established goal scorer who can play next to greeny but also do a job on his own if needed, eg Smeltz, Killen, Griffiths etc.
And also another youth striker to work under Greeny and Ifill with some pace, eg Lovemore?


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With Terry's financial woes and Herbert's propensity for picking up others castoffs (Diego, Mac, ....) and leaving signings too late (Chen & Toto) I am quite worried about next seasons new signings.
 
Please; a smaller squad so we can spend the budget on better players, another couple of Ifill quality players (a striker and an AM) and having more than one specialist FB in the squad wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
I think we have the core of a good team we just lack a class striker (e.g. Smeltz, Thompson or Kruse) and a class middle of the park play maker (e.g. Hernandes).
 
With Ifill, Bertos and Daniel not as quick as they were we could probably do with some more pace - resigning Rojas obviously helps with that challenge.
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Whitby boy wrote:
With Terry's financial woes and Herbert's propensity for picking up others castoffs (Diego, Mac, ....) and leaving signings too late (Chen & Toto) I am quite worried about next seasons new signings.
 
Please; a smaller squad so we can spend the budget on better players, another couple of Ifill quality players (a striker and an AM) and having more than one specialist FB in the squad wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
I think we have the core of a good team we just lack a class striker (e.g. Smeltz, Thompson or Kruse) and a class middle of the park play maker (e.g. Hernandes).
 
With Ifill, Bertos and Daniel not as quick as they were we could probably do with some more pace - resigning Rojas obviously helps with that challenge.
 
 


The FFA stipulate a minimum squad size of 23? Otherwise would agree with you.


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no the minimums actually 20 players.

If you have the three marquee spots filled you could effectively be splitting the salary cap over 17 players.
Plus signing a few youth players as squad players rather than Diegos, mulligans etc would mean even more cash for better players


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We're losing Diego at the end of the season which is good and will free up money - what a waste of space he was.  1 good game in two years and that was against Newcastle in 40 degree heat when we won 1-0.

Not sure if we should just ditch D-Mac.  3 goals in the last few games.  Sure he can be blundersome and offside but I like him.  Lia's another I'm on the fence about.

Ditch Toto.  Ditch Hearfield if a better option comes along.

Can't see us keeping Ward.  He even said he wouldn't be here if he could have kept his contract in Aus and then smiled sheepishly at the camera realizing that what he said sounded ungrateful and rude.  I also doubt we can keep North but definitely worth a go.  Australian marquee for him, youth marquee for Rojas provided a Kiwi can fulfil the criteria and hopefully get Ifill under the cap and get another player better than him as marquee.

All this on a minimal budget, of course.
loyalgunner2010-12-29 15:26:43
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I'd say ditch Big Mac. No offense to him, but I think we could surely find someone similar or better than him.

I guess we could quite easily find someone better than lia, but i dont see him being dropped all of a sudden.

Wonder when we will hear from all these guys greeny and Ifill have contact with..?


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Hearfield is a dream utility. He will be resigned so he will be eligible for Ricki and the all whites. Likewise lia

Auckland will rise once more

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Not sure they are the two I'd want to be throwing into the AWs.
Although I guess theres vey little competition in the centre of the park now


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If we really want to be league contenders (I mean not just saying it but meaning it) the question to ask is; would Lia, Mac, Daniel, Hearfield....... make the Roar or GCU starting 11 or even their benches - the answer seems a very obvious no except for maybe Hearfield because of his versatility.

If they are not good enough for the Roar or GCU then they're not good enough for us.
 
Players like Ifill, Hernandez, Kruse, Culina, van Djyk, are the bench mark - of course you can't afford to have a team of players of this calibre but you need them in key positions complemented by a backbone of solid players.
 
In Dura, Brown, Sigmund, Paston...... we have the backbone we just lack a class striker and play maker.
 
P.S. I really think we need a couple of big signings - not just for on the field reasons but also off the field - this season has been very disappointing for many fans - not just results wise but the quality has been poor. A couple of "names" will help reignite the support base.
 
I know, I know; $s.  
 
 
 
Whitby boy2010-12-29 16:25:09
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Agree we need new signings but how can you say we have the backbone in paston, sigmund or brown? None would make the Brisbane team, none would make a go of it in Europe. Hearfield has pace, time up his sleeve, two feet, can dribble, an engine. Just needs to work on his crossing somewhat!

Auckland will rise once more

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Hearfield is a dream utility. He will be resigned so he will be eligible for Ricki and the all whites. Likewise lia


I wouldn't say dream utility. But he is a utility, and every squad needs at least one of them. I wouldn't mind Vince Lia as a squad player. He should be the likes of Diego, Mulligan, Toto. Someone who we can actually use in an injury crisis.
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agree with hearfield comments aucknix
 
would be silly to get rid of disco troy and not just because of his versatility
 
he has promising basic ingredients, could really take off as he gains further experience
 
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100% agree with ya mate. Daniel hasnt been completely terrible but yeah not sure he'd make roar or GCU's bench.

Surely Diego and Toto will leave at season's end, so this means two import spots which realistically should go to our two most needed positions- Striker and Playmaker. I really hope we can get some players with a bit of class.

Do we still have an import spot open currently? Greeny, Ifill, Toto, Diego? We get 5 right?


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Whitby boy wrote:

If we really�want to be league contenders (I mean not just saying it but meaning it)�the question to ask is; would Lia, Mac, Daniel, Hearfield....... make the Roar or GCU starting 11 or even their benches - the answer seems a very obvious no except for maybe Hearfield because of his versatility.


If they are not good enough for the Roar or GCU then they're not good enough for us.

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Players like Ifill, Hernandez, Kruse, Culina, van Djyk, are the bench mark - of course you can't afford to�have a team of players of this calibre but you need them in key positions complemented by a backbone of solid players.

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In Dura, Brown, Sigmund, Paston...... we have the backbone we just lack a�class�striker and play maker.

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P.S. I really think we need a couple of big signings - not just for on the field reasons but also off the field -�this season has been very disappointing for many fans - not just results wise but the quality has been�poor. A couple of "names" will help reignite the support base.

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I think you are being a bit kind when you only mention those three. There are a few more that would not make those teams.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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who else would you take out?
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Oceanic6 wrote:
who else would you take out?


Greenacre and Bertos. I think the year Leo came to us he was magic, but has gone backwards.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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I actually think Greeny could make it into one of those squads, but he has sort of slowed down of late.

Think we are gonna have to slowly wean him out of the team and treat him like next season is his last. Start leaving him on the bench and use him similarly as Newcastle use Petrovski


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We could try grab Winston Reid :). Maybe on loan? Would help the attendances
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Leggy wrote:
Oceanic6 wrote:
who else would you take out?


Greenacre and Bertos. I think the year Leo came to us he was magic, but has gone backwards.
 
Leo is very obviously struggling physically and mentally because of his injury. A good long rest will see him back to his best next season.
 
 
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What's done is done, who has already signed has signed. Mark my words no one is going to come and sign greenacre or sigmund. Now however is the chance to sort the rest. Any player in the reserves or on the bench should not be resigned, period. Out goes toto, Diego, crowther, Daniel, mcalister(I count him as a reserve as he is only filling in for ifill). Those 5 players will free up some cash and with it buy 3 imports (2 strikers, as greenacre is sub at best) and a central midfielder). Hearfield and lia stay. Nice quality squad members. Trim the squad to 20 I agree. That is possible with the injury rule, guest stints, January transfer window. This is the template/formula which will make us champs. Terry have I your acting (gosh I hate that word 2/3 of the way through the season) CEOs job? AucklandPhoenix2010-12-29 19:36:46

Auckland will rise once more

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I don't think we should get rid of Greeny until we have someone better. It would have to be an import.

Do any of you wish we signed BamBam on reflection?

Toto, Diego, Hearfield, Crowther out. Lia out too or dropped. He does nothing but get booked.

I wouldn't mind a couple of import forwards, a import player maker a couple of young kiwis.

I hope we bring alot of players on trial. I know that it costs money but i'd rather that than get x 10 Toto'sScottishbhoy2010-12-29 19:33:39

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Crowther is the best third choice keeper in the league at the moment :) N-Bomb2010-12-29 19:39:32
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N-Bomb wrote:
Crowhter is the best third choice keeper in the league at the moment :)


Wouldn't someone like Gleeson be cheaper?

And do we need 3 keepers?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Prettyu sure Gleesen would prefer to stay in the states.

and No we don't
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Scottishbhoy wrote:

Do any of you wish we signed BamBam on reflection?


He didn't want to sign.
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2ndBest wrote:

Scottishbhoy wrote:
Do any of you wish we signed BamBam on reflection?

He didn't want to sign.


oh ok.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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2ndBest wrote:
Prettyu sure Gleesen would prefer to stay in the states.and No we don't


so either keep crowther as back up with vuko going or replace him.

Leaving us with cap space and squad space

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Greenie seems like a top bloke, awesome guy to have at this club. I just think we need a goal poacher who has genuine pace. Is Rojas the only guy in our team who can run fast? My major solution is having the likes of Greenacre, Bertos, Lia on the bench. Get rid of Toto, Diego, and sign three players who are good enough to start.
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Spoonley to take Crowther's place please. Would rather a kiwi keeper. Crowther may be better, but he's just warming the bench. If Paston received a serious injury then we can just bring in someone else, similar to the Vukovic scenario.
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I still think Toto needs to be given a good shot before seasons end. He does have pace and He could end up being better than Daniel I reckon.

But yeah kiwi keeper in, and I agree, we need two new strikers, get Ifill on the phone now while hes out with injury


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StopOut wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Oceanic6 wrote:
who else would you take out?
Greenacre and Bertos. I think the year Leo came to us he was magic, but has gone backwards.

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Leo is very obviously struggling physically and mentally because of his injury. A good long rest will see him back to his best next season.

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In fact if you want to be brutally honest, with what they have achieved so far this season, the Roar coach would not take any of the Nix players. The answer lies in the way they play and the results they have had.
In the deluge of last week-end they got over 13000 people in. Had it been fine the would have gove over 20000.
It is a combition of playing good football and winning.
I went to the first A league game in Brisbane and they had 23000.
If the Nix were winning and playing well, I reckon we could get 15000 every week.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Hard News wrote:
Have you seen Toto?It would be a huge shock for him to magically become better than Daniel.


In all honesty, I havnt seen nearly enough of him. Give him a few more games in the youth team so hes full fitness and he might produce something?

I guess I'm just hoping for some spark, but yeah get rid of him then


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playwithFire wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Have you seen Toto?It would be a huge shock for him to magically become better than Daniel.


In all honesty, I havnt seen nearly enough of him. Give him a few more games in the youth team so hes full fitness and he might produce something?

I guess I'm just hoping for some spark, but yeah get rid of him then


how do you know he has pace?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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because he looked semi quick in the few cameos he made earlier in the season.

Did you get a different impression or did you just not see those games?


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Hearfield is a dream utility. He will be resigned so he will be eligible for Ricki and the all whites. Likewise lia


So you think Ricki is lining up Lia and Herfield for the AWs?
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Agree we need new signings but how can you say we have the backbone in paston, sigmund or brown? None would make the Brisbane team, none would make a go of it in Europe. Hearfield has pace, time up his sleeve, two feet, can dribble, an engine. Just needs to work on his crossing somewhat!


Err exactly how many a-league players would make it in Europe? 
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Luis Garcia wrote:
Greenie seems like a top bloke, awesome guy to have at this club. I just think we need a goal poacher who has genuine pace. Is Rojas the only guy in our team who can run fast? My major solution is having the likes of Greenacre, Bertos, Lia on the bench. Get rid of Toto, Diego, and sign three players who are good enough to start.


Why do you need a goal poacher with pace?  A goal poacher scores goals from 6 yards.  They don't latch onto a through balls with their blistring pace.
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