Was - Phoenix Transfer Speculation (Part 1)

Well unless he ups his pep talk or buys a striker his season will be in vain

But but, when the commentators say his name they go nuts, BARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOO Schelotttttttttttoooooooooooooooo

valeo2011-01-02 15:28:21

Agree with ya there valeo. CB is not an issue for us. Musa can be backup there for me, Id rather wingbacks be the main targets for defence.
And obviously a playmaker and a striker or two

Commentators talking Dean Heffernan can't even make the Heart bench. We could pick him up? Finally give Lochhead competition and can cover center back.

When are we going to stop being happy when we sign other sides rejects?

Sigh. Anyone we sign will be another sides reject.

Yes, but we should not be HAPPY.

So we should never be happy when we sign any player? Yeah good one.

I think brisbane are happy with their signing of Kosta,a Phoenix reject.

From a Phoenix perspective i was happy with the signing of our captain - a Newcastle reject,and local hero Bertos - a Perth reject.

But yeah you're right,we shouldn't be happy when we sign players from other A league clubs.Tegal2011-01-02 20:34:46

I think there is an obvious difference between picking up a player unwanted by their current club at the end of their contract (i.e. a reject, e.g. Diego) and winning / losing a competitive bidding process for a player wanted by both their current and another interested club(s) e.g. Kosta and Smeltz. Whitby boy2011-01-02 20:45:21

Heffernan was good at CCM, and for some reason just hasn't gelled at the Heart. A few weeks ago I could be saying the same about Simon Colosimo, if you remember, was one of the best players in the league last season.

Kosta left as he wasn't getting the gametime here..there wasn't really a bidding process. In the a league there aren't exactly many big money shifts between clubs.

Most would leave as they're looking for footballing opportunities elsewhere.

Durante and bertos were not rejects at their clubs. They chose to come here as they were off contract. Durante was the player of the grand final, he came for money initially but chose to stay. Bertos chose to come home AucklandPhoenix2011-01-02 20:50:17

The difference with Kosta was that the Brisbane coach knew the first time he saw him, how good he was. It was on an interview with Fox sports, which I'm sure you never saw.
As with Bertos, he wanted to leave Perth. Get you facts right.

So the point is that some players are rejects (i.e. unwanted by their current club) and some, whilst wanted by their current club, chose, for whatever reasons ($s, opportunity, weather) to move on. Whitby boy2011-01-02 20:56:31

Not strictly correct. Could be someone wanting a move away but still wanted by the club.
Eg Durante
hepatitis2011-01-02 20:56:15

Doesn't change the fact that he was a reject here.

By your argument they weren't allowed to be happy that they signed him.

(in response to leggy)Tegal2011-01-02 20:58:44

Fair enough whitby boy,I went a bit far. But similarly it is also nonsense to suggest we should stop being happy at picking up other clubs rejects,if they're worth being happy about then why not.

I still maintain that most players are rejects from other clubs,Definetly not all though.

He wasnt a reject here as far as I know

He didn't get gametime here,and moved on because of that.

Fits the reject description I thought.

Not mine, as the club offered him a contract. He rejected the club, (is a rejector LOL)

maybe you need to rewrite your original statement with a list of the extraordinary circumstances that make it void.

philosophical propositions, such as 'happiness', aside

Heffernan is a dirty git and on that basis I can do without him in the side

What a rubbish page to read over.  Who cares how to define a reject player.  Get a hobby, boys.

And for what it's worth I don't really want Heffernan.

Fact is, players move around the A-League so much that it's pretty hard to call every player who signs for a new club a 'reject' of their old club.

Strangely,that is what I was trying to say. Sort of.

I think the underlying issue is the feeling that our successful acquisitions from other A-League clubs (i.e. players who have performed over a period of time, e.g. Dura) have been players still wanted by their current club but the players have, for whatever reason, chosen the Nix ahead of their current club. Whitby boy2011-01-03 09:04:05

For me, we get Ifill and greenacre talking to their brit mates to see whose keen, we need to try utilise our foreign spots and bring in players who will all make the starting lineup.

My ideal starting lineup next year would be:

                                  Paston
Fgn Rightback   Sigmund Durante Lochhead
                          Muscat       Brown
                         Fgn Attacking Mid
Rojas/Bertos       Fgn Striker              Ifill

I think we should definitely look at an asian player as they generally are quite good technically, could make a good fullback or even creative midfielder?
I wouldnt mind giving the marquee status to a striker or a playmaker, but I think whoever we get needs to be able to play up top on their own, ie van dijk because ricki likes playing a 3 man midfield.playwithFire2011-01-03 10:09:48

For your team, the bench would be this:

New Keeper, Musa, Lia, Greenacre?

Adding in Pavlovic, that gives us 13 players. So means we need to find at least 7 new players, 3 can be imports (if the quota doesnt change), and 1 youth. That really is alot of new players to find.

Yeah well I think Greenacre needs to be looked as a good bench man with experience to bring when he comes on. I'd have him and Leo/Rojas and maybe Troy?

Hopefully we can also keep Wardy for another season.

I can see Hearfield going back to aussie, dunno where tho. If we signed a right back, he would be a bench/squad player at best and the chance to play games in the ASB challenge wont be enough to keep him here.

If Ward is on a one season contract, I hope we sign him up for another season. He does provide us options in midfield, and gives us something we dont have with the other mids we have signed up already.

I would be fine with Crowther staying as the back up keeper, but not sure he would want too stay. Last season we signed Reddy instead of playing him, and Vukovic this season, that has to be like a slap in the face to him.

After the Boca game, I thought we had something with Macallistar. His partnership with Greenacre looked promising. With Ifill hurt, it gives Macallistar a chance to prove his worth for a contract for next year. At the moment, I wouldnt be fussed either way if we signed him or not.

A right back (who can cover centre if needed), and a couple attacking mids would be top of my list for next season. Maybe we should use the Guest slot for this year to trial someone in these positions, much like Adelaide & Gold Coast are doing.

Didn't we offer him a contract? Round about the time greeny and others re-signed? I'd like to see Ward stay, he should be starting every match.

Ward would be great to keep for a another season and to sign a good attacking mid, a Flores/Culina/Broisch type player would be fantastic and a kick-ass new striker.
Personally I'd like a striker to play alongside Greenie, a DMac upgrade 2.0 kind of deal who could also let Pav develop off the bench ect.

Have to re-sign Nicky Ward. He's a quality player. Ward and hopefully Jade North.

With Ljubo going overseas, North might be the first one the Jets look at to replace him.

Good point there RR. I don't think we have to neccessarily replace North, think Musa as a back up is enough, especially if we can find a right back who can play center if needed.

A real target could be an aussie marquee. If we can find someone willing to come here then we could really boost the squad with an additional 3 fgn players. That could be 4+ players who would go straight into the starting lineup.

I would only be happy letting Jade North go if we can sign a good rightback. One of our biggest problems from last year was the hole Jon McKain created when he departed. Letting North go and saying it's okay because James Musa can cover means you are fine with our team being weaker than this season.

I would be very nervous having musa as our first choice reserve cb based on his brief cameos thus far. It's similar to having pav as your only reserve striker

Griffiths to Newcastle

Allsop to Victory

Smeltz to GCU

Nobody to Nix

We are f**ked.

Yeah that wouldnt be very ideal, so finding a RB that can cover CB would be a better option