You mean the same U20's that played week in and week out with the Phoenix last season? The Phoenix staff know more about those players in that side than anyone on here (with maybe two exceptions) and if they think they are good enough they will get a chance.
I'll stick to facts rather than conjecture for the others. Hard News2011-06-14 15:16:14
But he isn't an aussie reject
No, but at that stage he hadn't played an A-League game so hadn't been picked up by any Aus sides. Think a young Manny Muscat.
Personally I'm rabidly pro NZ youngsters but if we missed out on a player of Leckie's skill because he's an Australian we're not doing what is best for the clubs performance.
If you have to balance an equivalent talent or potential then take the local but if you have an Australian option who is significantly better then for the success of the club it has to be considered.
I see your point HN, I was thinking of Crowther when I wrote that.
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Crowther is an interesting one though.
Yes we could have had Spoonley instead (although he lost yoof status) but then you have one of NZ's top four keepers never playing and if any position needs to be playing to maintain form it's a keeper.
Remembering that in the main if Pasty has gone down we've recruited (Reddy and Vuka) rather than playing him I think Crowther was a wise use of an Australian spot for us. We don't have the depth of keepers in this country to have a youngster wasting away.
An example is James McPeake who has trained on and off with the Phoenix - I think he's at college now - he's gained close to the same experience as Crowther although he wasn't in the squad so was free to play Central League or for Team Wellington while training with the Phoenix.
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It would be great if we did get a genuine reserve team. I wonder just how expensive it would be and if NZF would be prepared to fund it.
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When it was first looked at it was called 1 million a year and I'd say highly unlikely.
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http://wellingtonphoenixfc.blogspot.com/
It was like the first day back at school after the summer holidays when the lads got together on Monday.
Some familiar faces were missing but there were a couple of new ones with former Adelaide United midfielder Lucas Pantelis and former Perth Glory, North Queensland Fury and Sparta Rotterdam fullback Jimmy Downey in for the first time.
Another former Fury player, Jack Hingett, along with Nigerian teenager Saka, was supposed to be in attendance as well having been invited to trial for the coming season.
As it happened the pair were victims of the Chilean volcano ashes and were still grounded in Australia when training kicked off.
Both made it for day two however and each made a promising start as they hoped to impress coach Herbert.
Saka certainly announced himself with a couple of hefty tackles on Lia and Muscat, but somebody obviously warned him about Tim Brown, because he steered clear of the combative All Whites captain.
Some familiar faces were missing but there were a couple of new ones with former Adelaide United midfielder Lucas Pantelis and former Perth Glory, North Queensland Fury and Sparta Rotterdam fullback Jimmy Downey in for the first time.
Another former Fury player, Jack Hingett, along with Nigerian teenager Saka, was supposed to be in attendance as well having been invited to trial for the coming season.
As it happened the pair were victims of the Chilean volcano ashes and were still grounded in Australia when training kicked off.
Both made it for day two however and each made a promising start as they hoped to impress coach Herbert.
Saka certainly announced himself with a couple of hefty tackles on Lia and Muscat, but somebody obviously warned him about Tim Brown, because he steered clear of the combative All Whites captain.
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Vinnie more likely to lump you I would have thought...
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http://westafricanfootball.com/2010/11/06/ayo-saka/
This guy?
It suggests he was "most likely born in 1989, 1990 or 1991", which would naturally make him just on or slightly older than a teenager. Gotta love Nigerian birth records.
I found this by google so I have no idea, was just interested.
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Jack Hingert has some promise, in my opinion. Right back, too - not exactly a position we've had much luck with.valeo2011-06-14 17:03:34
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http://westafricanfootball.com/2010/11/06/ayo-saka/
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This guy?
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It suggests he was "most likely born in 1989, 1990 or 1991", which would naturally make him just on or slightly older than a teenager. Gotta love Nigerian birth records.
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I found this by google so I have no idea, was just interested.
I only know as much as you, but searching Saka in the footy manager editor only returns the one you mention.
So it's fair to say it's pretty much confirmed his name is Ayo Saka.
Also: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000714563809arnies2011-06-14 17:17:22
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...or not.
That looks to be a level well below what would be researched in the Football Manager database. Thought one of those pitches was Naenae 2, in fact if he was skinnier and a bit taller wearing the red and white it could have been Alex Young.
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Yeah that guy looks more likely actually
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Adelaide Hills Hawks.
I'll check if my RADelaide spies know of him.
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Find out if he has an Aussie passport?
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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sheesh both of them sound promising to me. I've always wanted Hingert since the announcement of the fury folding. He's always been class and attacks well. Reminds me of another winger turned into a fullback, but turned early enough in his career for him to pick up the position well.
This Saka guy sounds really promising. Might have to go have a look sometime I reckon. Even if he's on a senior contract he could be worth a look if he is the creative link we are missing. Just hopefully hes got some aussie passport. Although not sure if all those links are him
This Saka guy sounds really promising. Might have to go have a look sometime I reckon. Even if he's on a senior contract he could be worth a look if he is the creative link we are missing. Just hopefully hes got some aussie passport. Although not sure if all those links are him
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Yep, Hingert still has a lot of learning to do but in my opinion has more potential at right back than Hearfield ever did.
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Saka = Nigerian born Australian passport holder!
C-Diddy2011-06-14 20:33:06
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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Six posts up you lazy Novacastrian twat.
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Stephen Aanuoluwapo Kehinde Adesodun
SAKA
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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Top That News!!!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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If the youth player is going to be pushing for a first team starting spot i am happy for him to be foreign. If not, there is no reason not to have a NZ player.
I like this distinction
Normo's coming home
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Crowther is an interesting one though.
Yes we could have had Spoonley instead (although he lost yoof status) but then you have one of NZ's top four keepers never playing and if any position needs to be playing to maintain form it's a keeper.
Remembering that in the main if Pasty has gone down we've recruited (Reddy and Vuka) rather than playing him I think Crowther was a wise use of an Australian spot for us. We don't have the depth of keepers in this country to have a youngster wasting away.
An example is James McPeake who has trained on and off with the Phoenix - I think he's at college now - he's gained close to the same experience as Crowther although he wasn't in the squad so was free to play Central League or for Team Wellington while training with the Phoenix.
To counter that though Spoonley is nowhere near the All WHites though and seems unlikely to get out of domestic football now.A year playing and training professionally and with a professional club on his CV isn't he more likely to get a gig after that? The club has to do what they gotta do but I'm not sure that this has worked out that well for Spoonley. I bet if you asked him he'd rather be at the Phoenix than ACFC...
We recruited Reddy and Vuka because thye were available which was more coincidence than good management. It could have easily been crowther in goal (a scary thought)
james dean2011-06-14 21:01:39Normo's coming home
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Vinnie more likely to lump you I would have thought...
Easy gag there...will let it be
End of an era. Vinnie - It's over.
If anyone cares for my inane babbling follow @iluvnix17 on the Twitter.
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Looks good. Real composed on the ball.
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Easy gag there...will let it be
Ran in to him this evening and gave him the 'evening' and a nod. Thought of you. No chance to slip him your card.
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To counter that though Spoonley is nowhere near the All WHites though and seems unlikely to get out of domestic football now.A year playing and training professionally and with a professional club on his CV isn't he more likely to get a gig after that? The club has to do what they gotta do but I'm not sure that this has worked out that well for Spoonley. I bet if you asked him he'd rather be at the Phoenix than ACFC...
We recruited Reddy and Vuka because thye were available which was more coincidence than good management. It could have easily been crowther in goal (a scary thought)
If Gleeson hadn't had made a late run Spoons would have been number 2 behind Moss for the Mexico and Australia games.
He did spend a year training professionally with the Phoenix. The first season. That CV got him the Auckland City gig,
He wouldn't dare say that. He'd get lynched by the knitting circle.
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Looks good. Real composed on the ball.
The best part of that clip is him skinning Judas Rojas a couple of times.
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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...or not.
Anyone who knows Nigeria will know why I am highly disturbed by the appearance of the number 419 in that YouTube channel name.
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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To counter that though Spoonley is nowhere near the All WHites though and seems unlikely to get out of domestic football now.A year playing and training professionally and with a professional club on his CV isn't he more likely to get a gig after that? The club has to do what they gotta do but I'm not sure that this has worked out that well for Spoonley. I bet if you asked him he'd rather be at the Phoenix than ACFC...
We recruited Reddy and Vuka because thye were available which was more coincidence than good management. It could have easily been crowther in goal (a scary thought)
If Gleeson hadn't had made a late run Spoons would have been number 2 behind Moss for the Mexico and Australia games.
He did spend a year training professionally with the Phoenix. The first season.
2 points - 1: Gleeson is playing and training professionally now and the spot is his to lose. We are talking pure speculation here but if he'd been reserve GK at the Phoenix this whole time that could well have been him.
2: when he was at the nix he was 3rd string behind NZ's 2 best keepers and a youth player. That's a different prospect to 2nd choice
Normo's coming home
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Anyone who knows Nigeria will know why I am highly disturbed by the appearance of the number 419 in that YouTube channel name.
Hadn't clicked but ARF!
SAKA = WGA ? Wait until Nipple finds out.
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Eidur Gudjohnsen is a free agent atm. Would we have space in our cap? We did free up a fair bit of room...
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He'd be miles beyond the cap. Marquee possible but Terry has got out of trouble, not been given 100 million dollars by a mysterious Indian benefactor.
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To counter that though Spoonley is nowhere near the All WHites though and seems unlikely to get out of domestic football now.A year playing and training professionally and with a professional club on his CV isn't he more likely to get a gig after that? The club has to do what they gotta do but I'm not sure that this has worked out that well for Spoonley. I bet if you asked him he'd rather be at the Phoenix than ACFC...
We recruited Reddy and Vuka because thye were available which was more coincidence than good management. It could have easily been crowther in goal (a scary thought)
If Gleeson hadn't had made a late run Spoons would have been number 2 behind Moss for the Mexico and Australia games.
He did spend a year training professionally with the Phoenix. The first season.
2 points - 1: Gleeson is playing and training professionally now and the spot is his to lose. We are talking pure speculation here but if he'd been reserve GK at the Phoenix this whole time that could well have been him.
2: when he was at the nix he was 3rd string behind NZ's 2 best keepers and a youth player. That's a different prospect to 2nd choice
Being 2nd string at the Phoenix hasn't exactly set the career prospects of Crowther alight. A reserve keeping spot is not a stepping stone, it is a back up position, even in New Zealand.
News is right, we're better off having our local keepers playing the game than wasting away on the bench.
I predict it will not be long until Spoonley falls off the radar altogether, because there are better younger keepers coming through (O'Keefe, McPeake, Basalaj, etc), and he is well on his way to a career as a lawyer (poor lad).
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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To counter that though Spoonley is nowhere near the All WHites though and seems unlikely to get out of domestic football now.A year playing and training professionally and with a professional club on his CV isn't he more likely to get a gig after that?� The club has to do what they gotta do but I'm not sure that this has worked out that well for Spoonley.� I bet if you asked him he'd rather be at the Phoenix than ACFC...
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We recruited Reddy and Vuka because thye were available which was more coincidence than good management.� It could have easily been crowther in goal (a scary thought)
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2 points - 1: Gleeson is playing and training�professionally now and the spot is his to lose.� We are talking pure speculation here but if he'd been reserve GK at the Phoenix this whole time that could well have been him.
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2: when he was at the nix he was 3rd string behind NZ's 2 best keepers and a youth player.� That's a different prospect to 2nd choice
So he'll either top himself or become an alcoholic.
Its no longer a problem.
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Five years until - "I don't even like football" Hard News2011-06-15 12:38:24
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where did crowther go? kinda feel he wasnt very well liked with herbert prefering gould at times ahead of him
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If Crowther was fit and available he was selected ahead of Gouldy.
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where did crowther go? kinda feel he wasnt very well liked with herbert prefering gould at times ahead of him
TV sales.
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