Yeah this is what I was thinking.
Dmac had his flaws, but he was solid for us, and I hope us letting him go doesnt come back to haunt us.
Only differences in that side are D-Mac and Party all the time... just need a striker.
Don't forget toto.
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I was counting Pantelis as a direct swap.
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it is probably reasonable to think the new owners would have been up for a high quality marque signing(would have been good business on and off the field...imagine).
My imagination must be lacking. Can you clarify who could be a Marque that delivers increased gate to a value that pays for their salary?
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Talking hypotheticals here but...
Is it worth gambling $500k on a striker who will score you 15 goals a season enabling you to sell a winning team which will garner more support? If you sold an extra chunk of merchandise because they have a profile and lead the team you'd need to get 1500-1800 more people in a match which isn't unreasonable when you compare how a Phoenix crowd looks for finals contenders vs not contenders.
It's also an interesting point to consider a potential negative impact of scoring no goals, not winning and finding yourself last in the league with a crowd of 597 and before you know it you've lost the engagement you already have, ignoring the chance of growth.
Then you find yourself starting from scratch having biffed away a million dollars on a season for nothing.
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Ahh, yes- a better calibre player who delivers results, rather than as a "name" people know that draws people to a game. My lack of imagination is confirmed.
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News, I hope you'll be at the fans forum tomorrow night asking all these questions.
Speaking of strikers. Ritgers sounds like a dick. Doloras2011-10-04 11:00:23
Speaking of strikers. Ritgers sounds like a dick. Doloras2011-10-04 11:00:23
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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Ahh, yes- a better calibre player who delivers results, rather than as a "name" people know that draws people to a game. My lack of imagination is confirmed.
The 'name' player becomes more like a million and even if a couple of dozen fake scousers turn up to watch said has-been (whoops 'name') it doesn't make a winning team - See Glory, Perth and Fury, North Queensland.
It's a fine line. Invest to make money or leave and hope for a miracle. I've watched spend fail (due to ill-informed decision makers) and I've watched leave fail but I'm far more scared for the future of the Phoenix if we chose the latter option rather than try and do something inspiring.
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News, I hope you'll be at the fans forum tomorrow night asking all these questions.
I was locked in, even had a spot booked until I relaised I have Junior News' school production to attend...
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News, I hope you'll be at the fans forum tomorrow night asking all these questions.
Speaking of strikers. Ritgers sounds like a dick.
Speaking of strikers. Ritgers sounds like a dick.
he seems to have mastered the art of opening his mouth and talking sh*t
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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Yeah, fancy him saying that he liked the nix players, and they were all professionals. What a twunt.
zonknz2011-10-04 11:27:01
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Yeah, fancy him saying that he liked the nix players, and they were all professionals. What a twunt.
I know. Like I said, he didn't say anything outrageous, I'm really struggling to see why people are hating on him because of that interview.
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On another transfer note-
1) Did Michael Owen ever arrive in Australia?
2) Did anyone do a Corleone on the racehorse he was promised?
1) Did Michael Owen ever arrive in Australia?
2) Did anyone do a Corleone on the racehorse he was promised?
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
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Talking hypotheticals here but...
Is it worth gambling $500k on a striker who will score you 15 goals a season enabling you to sell a winning team which will garner more support? If you sold an extra chunk of merchandise because they have a profile and lead the team you'd need to get 1500-1800 more people in a match which isn't unreasonable when you compare how a Phoenix crowd looks for finals contenders vs not contenders.
It's also an interesting point to consider a potential negative impact of scoring no goals, not winning and finding yourself last in the league with a crowd of 597 and before you know it you've lost the engagement you already have, ignoring the chance of growth.
Then you find yourself starting from scratch having biffed away a million dollars on a season for nothing.
The numbers are pretty simple really.
If your new star striker adds 1,000 people to the average home attendance, then based on 14 home games and a notional ticket price of $25, he will generate $350,000 extra revenue.
Conversely, if you need to cover a $500,000 salary your star striker will need to add about 1,400 people to the average attendance.
This doesn't take into account other revenue generating possibilities like merchandise and sponsorship.
The new owners have a one-off opportunity to capitalise on the goodwill around their take-over and create a feeling of momentum. It's a risk but if I were them I'd do it. Preaching financial responsibility is all well and good but I'm worried that an average or bad start to the season will cost them a lot more in the long run than finding an additional $500,000 salary will.
This is where their understanding of football and football fans will be really put to the test.
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Yeah, fancy him saying that he liked the nix players, and they were all professionals. What a twunt.
I know. Like I said, he didn't say anything outrageous, I'm really struggling to see why people are hating on him because of that interview.
I agree. No story here, nothing to see, move along.....
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Talking hypotheticals here but...
Is it worth gambling $500k on a striker who will score you 15 goals a season enabling you to sell a winning team which will garner more support? If you sold an extra chunk of merchandise because they have a profile and lead the team you'd need to get 1500-1800 more people in a match which isn't unreasonable when you compare how a Phoenix crowd looks for finals contenders vs not contenders.
It's also an interesting point to consider a potential negative impact of scoring no goals, not winning and finding yourself last in the league with a crowd of 597 and before you know it you've lost the engagement you already have, ignoring the chance of growth.
Then you find yourself starting from scratch having biffed away a million dollars on a season for nothing.
The numbers are pretty simple really.
If your new star striker adds 1,000 people to the average home attendance, then based on 14 home games and a notional ticket price of $25, he will generate $350,000 extra revenue.
Conversely, if you need to cover a $500,000 salary your star striker will need to add about 1,400 people to the average attendance.
This doesn't take into account other revenue generating possibilities like merchandise and sponsorship.
The new owners have a one-off opportunity to capitalise on the goodwill around their take-over and create a feeling of momentum. It's a risk but if I were them I'd do it. Preaching financial responsibility is all well and good but I'm worried that an average or bad start to the season will cost them a lot more in the long run than finding an additional $500,000 salary will.
This is where their understanding of football and football fans will be really put to the test.
You are confusing revenue with profit. An additional $500k revenue from gate takings equals how much "profit to the club". Merchandise profit margin is probably even worse for the club in so far as they would in reality get bugger all from the sale of a stripey
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My understanding of the model is that use of the stadium costs pretty much the same if you have 1200 in or 12k as you have to pay for 12k in case that many turn up anyway. Certainly a 20k is a different proposition but you are paying the base amount anyway.
I could have that wrong but it is certainly the impression i was given a few years back.
The key paragraph for me is this one though:
The new owners have a one-off opportunity to capitalise on the goodwill around their take-over and create a feeling of momentum. It's a risk but if I were them I'd do it. Preaching financial responsibility is all well and good but I'm worried that an average or bad start to the season will cost them a lot more in the long run than finding an additional $500,000 salary will.
So much better worded than mine. So much this.
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Talking hypotheticals here but...
Is it worth gambling $500k on a striker who will score you 15 goals a season enabling you to sell a winning team which will garner more support? If you sold an extra chunk of merchandise because they have a profile and lead the team you'd need to get 1500-1800 more people in a match which isn't unreasonable when you compare how a Phoenix crowd looks for finals contenders vs not contenders.
It's also an interesting point to consider a potential negative impact of scoring no goals, not winning and finding yourself last in the league with a crowd of 597 and before you know it you've lost the engagement you already have, ignoring the chance of growth.
Then you find yourself starting from scratch having biffed away a million dollars on a season for nothing.
The numbers are pretty simple really.
If your new star striker adds 1,000 people to the average home attendance, then based on 14 home games and a notional ticket price of $25, he will generate $350,000 extra revenue.
Conversely, if you need to cover a $500,000 salary your star striker will need to add about 1,400 people to the average attendance.
This doesn't take into account other revenue generating possibilities like merchandise and sponsorship.
The new owners have a one-off opportunity to capitalise on the goodwill around their take-over and create a feeling of momentum. It's a risk but if I were them I'd do it. Preaching financial responsibility is all well and good but I'm worried that an average or bad start to the season will cost them a lot more in the long run than finding an additional $500,000 salary will.
This is where their understanding of football and football fans will be really put to the test.
You are confusing revenue with profit. An additional $500k revenue from gate takings equals how much "profit to the club". Merchandise profit margin is probably even worse for the club in so far as they would in reality get bugger all from the sale of a stripey
In saying that however, I agree with the need to "speculate to accumulate
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The new owners have a one-off opportunity to capitalise on the goodwill around their take-over and create a feeling of momentum. It's a risk but if I were them I'd do it. Preaching financial responsibility is all well and good but I'm worried that an average or bad start to the season will cost them a lot more in the long run than finding an additional $500,000 salary will.
This is where their understanding of football and football fans will be really put to the test.
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Right. Refreshed after an off-season break.
Who's gonna fill me in on what's happening? 
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Anyone got the latest on the three European strikers situation. Would be good to get one signed in the next couple of days.
The more I think about this the mjore concerned I am. This whole line of thought and discussion disappeared with Terry.
Hopefully it's just the new owners keeping their cards close to their chests but if they took a look at what Terry was offering them and pulled the plug it's not a good sign.
Of course the worrying thing with Terry was that it seemed (at least from the Rigters situation) that he talked up one amount, and then came up with another when the talk turned into pen on paper. That is, if you believe what Rigters is saying.
Completely agree that we need to spend a bit of a coin and attract someone that can add a bit of buzz about the team though, as at the moment it's very much a case of tried and true, which won't attract punters (unless of course they get on a winning streak).
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Right. Refreshed after an off-season break.
Who's gonna fill me in on what's happening?
LOL Nothing has happened, nothing has changed, quietest off season ever (and the longest )
4 days to go
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Right. Refreshed after an off-season break.
Who's gonna fill me in on what's happening?
LOL Nothing has happened, nothing has changed, quietest off season ever (and the longest )
4 days to go
are you forgetting that Doloras has changed her avatar.....still 4 days to go
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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Right. Refreshed after an off-season break.
Who's gonna fill me in on what's happening?
LOL Nothing has happened, nothing has changed, quietest off season ever (and the longest )
4 days to go
are you forgetting that Doloras has changed her avatar.....still 4 days to go
And the WGA loan came through. Which was nice.
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Right. Refreshed after an off-season break.
Who's gonna fill me in on what's happening?
LOL Nothing has happened, nothing has changed, quietest off season ever (and the longest )
4 days to go
are you forgetting that Doloras has changed her avatar.....still 4 days to go
And the WGA loan came through. Which was nice.
And Terry has a new Car
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No he doesn't. Are you being over the top again Doloras?
Jeff Vader2011-10-04 12:45:03
Jeff Vader2011-10-04 12:45:03
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Right. Refreshed after an off-season break.
Who's gonna fill me in on what's happening?
LOL Nothing has happened, nothing has changed, quietest off season ever (and the longest )
4 days to go
are you forgetting that Doloras has changed her avatar.....still 4 days to go
And the WGA loan came through. Which was nice.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Re: Cameron Lindsay
Mount Everest: Forbidding, Aloof, Terrifying. The Mountain with the biggest tits!
START AGAIN..
Some people have been dropping hints suggesting we are trying to sign Cameron, but I don't believe that's correct. Would agree that there's a Blackburn connection but think it refers to a Mr Tim Payne rather than Cameron Lindsay.
Remember hearing reports that Ricki was interested in signing him if his trial at Blackburn came to nothing, and as we haven't heard anything I am assuming he has not impressed enough to secure a contract.
Mount Everest: Forbidding, Aloof, Terrifying. The Mountain with the biggest tits!
START AGAIN..
Some people have been dropping hints suggesting we are trying to sign Cameron, but I don't believe that's correct. Would agree that there's a Blackburn connection but think it refers to a Mr Tim Payne rather than Cameron Lindsay.
Remember hearing reports that Ricki was interested in signing him if his trial at Blackburn came to nothing, and as we haven't heard anything I am assuming he has not impressed enough to secure a contract.
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So who's stalking training?... trialist arrived yesterday via corporate jet.
E + R + O
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Alex Smith. Read back already.
Tim Payne was mentioned by Ricki...
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Alex Smith. Read back already.
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Tim Payne was mentioned by Ricki...
Alex Smith isn't the only American striker in Aussie State Leagues.
E + R + O
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My understanding of the model is that use of the stadium costs pretty much the same if you have 1200 in or 12k as you have to pay for 12k in case that many turn up anyway. Certainly a 20k is a different proposition but you are paying the base amount anyway.
I could have that wrong but it is certainly the impression i was given a few years back.
Why do they tape off the nor-west corner for every game?
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Alex Smith. Read back already.
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Tim Payne was mentioned by Ricki...
Alex Smith isn't the only American striker in Aussie State Leagues.
As much as I'd like us to sign a Smith so I can get his name on my shirt
E + R + O
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No, but he's the only one that has told Aus 442 and the Sydney Morning Herald that he's in Wellington to trial as injury cover.
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double post, zzzzz
Therk2011-10-04 14:22:11
Therk2011-10-04 14:22:11
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89 viewing and nothing - disappointing
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No, but he's the only one that has told Aus 442 and the Sydney Morning Herald that he's in Wellington to trial as injury cover.
I've heard of one other, not sure whether for Inj Cov or not though. You can work it out HN.
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Alex Smith.. american footballer.. umm.. cool
goldienz2011-10-04 14:22:41
goldienz2011-10-04 14:22:41Yellow Whever Whanganui
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