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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Allsopp would be a great acquisition - Allsopp and Ifill together, now that starts to get exciting.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So how solid are these rumours around Allsopp/MV generally then?
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Whitby boy wrote:


Allsopp would be a great acquisition - Allsopp and Ifill together, now that starts to get exciting.


Can remember some seasons ago when most of the people on here were bagging him. Reckoned he was rubbish.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why would the get rid of Allsopp when they've 79 midfielders? And how many 'disgruntled' MV players are likely to be squawking to RH? Only one I can think of.
E + R + O

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Someone who commented on that 442 article about Smith seems to think we are interested in Steffen Vroom?
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nzmanu wrote:
Someone who commented on that 442 article about Smith seems to think we are interested in Steffen Vroom?

He went over there during the week - I work with one of his mates.

Presumably as a Plan F in case Smith didn't work out.
E + R + O

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Leggy wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:


Allsopp would be a great acquisition - Allsopp and Ifill together, now that starts to get exciting.


Can remember some seasons ago when most of the people on here were bagging him. Reckoned he was rubbish.

Im not sure if there is a legitament link to it being Allsopp, Ive been specualting it could be him for a few months now.

I think we have abused him on this forum is because hes been a bloody good against us in the past- ask manny bout him maybe


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Hard News wrote:
Who's Twitter.
This guy who's forever posting on the web - really loved Steve Jobs.
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nzmanu wrote:
Someone who commented on that 442 article about Smith seems to think we are interested in Steffen Vroom?


Spotted that too and did a bit of research

http://www.liberosports.com/players/steffen-vroom

Interestingly, hes with the same agent/company as Cole Peverley ...who is apparently 41 years old now
gings2011-10-06 22:04:39


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dunnix wrote:
Apparently Smith's signing is pretty close...

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/219483,phoenix-to-sign-grand-final-star-smith.aspx

3 month temporary contract, but unlikely to make it here for Gold Coasts game, unfortunately
FourFourTwo are jumping the gun here- story not very factual.
Check out Ricki's comments in the local media today- he's much more non-commital on Smith,
calling him a "decent enough player" and saying he's only here on trial, will decide on signing him next week....
 
Interesting player recommendation from FourFourTwo forum comments on above Smith story from Sydney Olympic fan:
Skatz
6/10/2011 4:38:25 PM
They should sign Peter Triantis from Olympic, a good young player who got man of the match in the grand final.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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Triantis was here trialling a few weeks back.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Big ups to the Dom Post (HB ed) for their photo of Cameron Lindsay yesterday

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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Binkley wrote:
Pondeljak is more of an attacking midfielder isn't he? And we have enough of those. I quite like the sound of Smith, and if he isn't up to scratch then I would be happy to see someone like Payne or Lovemore get a shot as injury cover. The frontline is so thin that they would be sure to get a bit of game time, and that would be good for their development if nothing else.

I am feeling reasonably good about not having a target man this year. Last season our attack seemed very one dimensional until Rojas added some spice - and I would hate for us to go back to that cross-and-hope-the-big-man-gets-a-touch style of play. With Sanchez (and Ward) we can look to play through the middle more, which I think might give Ifill a chance to be a bit more influential and to capitalise on balls received at the edge of the area.
 
Cross-and-hope-the-big-man-gets-a-touch is better than our usual cross-and-hope-the-small-man-called-greenie-gets-a-touch.
 
Unless Sanchez changes our play dramatically I think we'll be the same. We've always been a team that goes wide first and tries to whip crosses in.
valeo2011-10-07 12:11:12

a.haak

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Good to see you back and warming up for the game tomorrow Valeo 

I dont expect much different, Ricki has the same group basically and hasnt been able to bring in anyone to change things, except maybe Sanchez as you say. Still we have done ok in the last 2 seasons. Has the league taken another step up though ? We'll see over the weekend. Bring it on
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League has definitely taken a step up. Do I still think we can compete? Sure. We've got a good group and I think our first 11 can compete with anyone - especially at home. The biggest worry is our lack of depth and that donkeys like Downey, Griffiths and Niko are the next in line.
 
Would be frustrated if I see Leo crossing to no one like the bad old days but have a feeling that might happen against GC.
 

a.haak

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Big Pete 65 wrote:
dunnix wrote:
Apparently Smith's signing is pretty close...

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/219483,phoenix-to-sign-grand-final-star-smith.aspx

3 month temporary contract, but unlikely to make it here for Gold Coasts game, unfortunately
FourFourTwo are jumping the gun here- story not very factual.
Check out Ricki's comments in the local media today- he's much more non-commital on Smith,
calling him a "decent enough player" and saying he's only here on trial, will decide on signing him next week....
 
Interesting player recommendation from FourFourTwo forum comments on above Smith story from Sydney Olympic fan:
Skatz
6/10/2011 4:38:25 PM
They should sign Peter Triantis from Olympic, a good young player who got man of the match in the grand final.
Triantas might miss out if we are keen on a marquee later in the season - Smith will do for now, short term cover?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hopefully Smith can have the same sort of effect that Manny Muscat had a couple of years ago. From memory didn't Manny arrive as a temporary injury replacement and has now gone on to become probably our most reliable player and IMO one of the most underrated players in the league.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Correct.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
All our injury cover signings have been amongst the best players at the club:

- Manny
- Reddy
- Vukovic

We should sign more people as injury covers.. Wait that means injuring more of the squad.



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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
In a sense, Marco came in to replace Ifill when he was injured, although not really but hey, thats another connection.

Wonder if we do have guys lined up as injury cover?Or if Smith is replacement for Pav? Would like another striker.


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
from Smiths twitter:
@al_smith: Signed all the paperwork this morning... Wellington it is...excited for the season and all the lads have been great

Sounds like we can add Smith to squad.
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i'm slightly concerned by this paragraph...

The Phoenix had contracts in front of three European-based strikers but Herbert said that hunt had now been put on hold following discussions with the new owners, who are receptive to the idea of signing a marquee player during the season.

I think I'd personally prefer a couple of decent European strikers rather than one marquee. Who knows what you get with a marquee signing. There aren't that many in the A-League that have been a roaring success.

The Welnix don't strike me as having much Football nous, however they do have plenty of business experience and a large part of that is recruiting the right people to advise you on (or run) parts of the business that arent your strong points, so i guess i'd trust them to do that.

But i think i'd prefer a couple of decent hard working pro's, rather than a flashy over-priced marquee...


"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
There is no way for us to assess the real quality of those so called 3 European strikers, now we got Smith, and if we can get just say the likes of Allsopp then i'll be happy.  in fact less worried than the gamble on journeyman strikers...just my thought...
 
RH must have done this for a reason...just let the season start!
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Safire wrote:
There is no way for us to assess the real quality of those so called 3 European strikers, now we got Smith, and if we can get just say the likes of Allsopp then i'll be happy.  in fact less worried than the gamble on journeyman strikers...just my thought...
 
RH must have done this for a reason...just let the season start!


Yes I agree - he wouldn't be a 'Marquee Siging' - would he? I suppose if Elrich can be one, anyone can...

Allsopp knows the league and has been successful in it...


"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Does a foreign Marquee signing count towards our foreign player total, we have Greenie, Ifill, Warner, Sanchez and perhaps Smith as our 5 non-Aussie/Kiwi players...?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Safire wrote:
RH must have done this for a reason...just let the season start!
 
It doesn't look like it was Ricki's choice remember.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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irnbru14 wrote:
Does a foreign Marquee signing count towards our foreign player total, we have Greenie, Ifill, Warner, Sanchez and perhaps Smith as our 5 non-Aussie/Kiwi players...?
 
was it just me but i remember i read it somewhere that Ifill is actually our Marquee???
 
Not sure about whether Foreign Marquee counts or not...but then Smith are likely to be an "injury replacement", so not sure if that counts??
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ifill does not take up a marquee spot

Alex Smith will take up a foreign spot I believe, unless theres some crazy stupid rule that injury replacements can be foreign?

Guest players can be foreign and dont count I think


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Dougie Rydal wrote:
i'm slightly concerned by this paragraph...

The Phoenix had contracts in front of three European-based strikers but Herbert said that hunt had now been put on hold following discussions with the new owners, who are receptive to the idea of signing a marquee player during the season.

I think I'd personally prefer a couple of decent European strikers rather than one marquee. Who knows what you get with a marquee signing. There aren't that many in the A-League that have been a roaring success.

The Welnix don't strike me as having much Football nous, however they do have plenty of business experience and a large part of that is recruiting the right people to advise you on (or run) parts of the business that arent your strong points, so i guess i'd trust them to do that.

But i think i'd prefer a couple of decent hard working pro's, rather than a flashy over-priced marquee...

 
Wouldn't be able to get a 'couple' of Euro strikers anyway becuase of lack of import spots
 
Still baffles me why we signed Warner but eh.

a.haak

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Because Paston will break in half again?

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playwithFire wrote:
Ifill does not take up a marquee spot

Alex Smith will take up a foreign spot I believe, unless theres some crazy stupid rule that injury replacements can be foreign?

Guest players can be foreign and dont count I think


For accounting purposes, Ifill might have been made a marquee to allow space under the cap for other players.

As for Smith, it depends who he is injury cover for. If its Pav, and only a short term contract, we will have the slot open for a marquee signing in Jan. If we sign a big name striker then, we could always offer Smith a guest contract to extend his stay a bit longer, if he proves to be a good player.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
pleased that Danny A might be in the frame (still can't quite see it though)

re Marquee later cf a striker now

could be some combo of i) new owners wanting time to determine how best to commit funds

ii)a marquee mid season being a better marketing opportunity than a lower profile transfer, and a transfer now - when media interest is cluttered by another sports event

the new owners are thinking beyond this season
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tigers wrote:
ii)a marquee mid season being a better marketing opportunity than a lower profile transfer, and a transfer now - when media interest is cluttered by another sports event



Also more players presumably becoming available when January European Transfer Window opens.

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
whats the bet that the marque will be Killen? he will come after the Chinese season finishes. Seems fairly logical to me, unless he gets picked up by another chinese club
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
seems the logical option, and also perhaps why the number 10 shirt has been left free - seeing as he'd be wanting it


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
done

who's got his number?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
as far as i knew the guest/injury players don't take up import slots.

Didn't the GC have 6 imports last season at one point?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
as far as i knew the guest/injury players don't take up import slots.

Didn't the GC have 6 imports last season at one point?


Nope only 5. Perchtold was a guest player, so doesn't count. They had an Asian dude as an injury replacement for Robson.

Adelaide was the same, Joe Keenan as an injury replacement for Cassio, and Slory as a guest player.
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