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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
^ agree with this wholeheartedly....Welnix are new to the scene, lets not cry about the lack of purchases - lets allow them some time to get themselves settled and then hope they make some decent calls about players in January,

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Safire wrote:
.......We have to admit that Ricki has done a superb job so far, the Nix is playing way better football than previous years, creating way more chances, yet we've never fielded our first XI......
 
Agree on the quality of football and Herbert deserves due creidt. His hand has been forced by injuries and suspensions  to journeyman DMs but hopefully he is now more comfortable with starting with a more attacking line-up.
 
I hope he and the team get due reward for the quality of play and commitment - which I thought was outstanding on Sunday.
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
You know who needs to do his job?
Our goddamn striking coach.
You'd think after that Newcastle game he'd have a stern word with Brown about not taking three touches when the ball falls to him in the box.
And if Leo can't put his foot through the ball, why doesn't he use the side of his boot and curl one in?
We're obviously not getting a new striker, and Brown's not being benched, so our midfielders need to learn how to do the job.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Striking coach?? Thats our kitman isn't it?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah,Chris greenacre needs to teach himself to shoot better!

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
^ agree with this wholeheartedly....Welnix are new to the scene, lets not cry about the lack of purchases - lets allow them some time to get themselves settled and then hope they make some decent calls about players in January,
 
+1
 
I'm still just happy they stepped in to save our club.  Lets not lose sight of this.  As  Ricki always says Patience
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
Yeah,Chris greenacre needs to teach himself to shoot better!


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Whitby boy wrote:
Safire wrote:
.......We have to admit that Ricki has done a superb job so far, the Nix is playing way better football than previous years, creating way more chances, yet we've never fielded our first XI......
 
Agree on the quality of football and Herbert deserves due creidt. His hand has been forced by injuries and suspensions  to journeyman DMs but hopefully he is now more comfortable with starting with a more attacking line-up.
 
I hope he and the team get due reward for the quality of play and commitment - which I thought was outstanding on Sunday.
 
+1 - just lacking the killer difference
Ifill back for Daniel or Leo and Manny back for Tsatts and we likely win that one.
(but I don't think Lia for Sanchez or Smith would be an improvement)
 
playing very well as a team, but you need some-one to take advantage of the opportunities the team is creating to then beat some-one, hit a ripper shot, or simply finish very well to score
 
very very close to being a damn fine team
 
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:
Seriously. Wasn't this what people like T_X and myself were saying all along - that the financial solvency of new owners was only part of the puzzle, the other part being having Clue One about how to run a football team? To put it in terms Gareth Morgan might understand: you don't run a succesful, solvent business by refusing a budget for staff who can get the job done.

Pulling the European striker contracts might well be the original sin which dooms the Welnix tenure, and we'll have to wait for Peter Jackson to decide he wants a football team.
You also don't build a strong team by opening the checkbook and rushing around.  You cetainly don't help by doing what Terry and Ricki did with Rigters and f$%k up a guy who flys half a world awayto find you have him here on false pretenses about what you can pay
 
I have no problem with the board saying let's see how we go for a bit and get some real clarity around
1) exactly what we need to add to the club, in more than one area, what we can afford to spend, the balance between marquee, quality and squad level players and what our squad "non-retention plan" is to help finance the addtional expenditure
2) be a bit patient to make sure we pick up some-one who is good value for money in those areas and who will fit in with the strong team culture
3) and spend a bit more time targeting who we want
 
let's face it - with terry and herbert running the show we bought twice as many dogs as we did good players
i don't begrudge welnix expecting us to be a bit more cautious building the squad
 
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Twice as many dogs as good players is a massive exaggeration.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
Twice as many dogs as good players is a massive exaggeration.
of course
but
 
brownlie
cleberson
cornejo
diego
draper
elrich
george
G**
jiang chen
johnson
 
isn't a bad effort at wasting money
if it was my money i might be encouraging a little more planning and thought about it
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
mjp2 wrote:
Tegal wrote:
Twice as many dogs as good players is a massive exaggeration.
of course
but
 
brownlie
cleberson
cornejo
diego
draper
elrich
george
G**
jiang chen
johnson
 
isn't a bad effort at wasting money
if it was my money i might be encouraging a little more planning and thought about it
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Diego not a dog, more a victim of circumstance.  Richard Johnson? Wow.
 
I'd argue that Draper is harshly judged as well.  He's no A-League player but scored a hat load of NZFC goals at a young age so was well worth the punt.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ok would you trade o'dor or old for johnson?  Spoonley?
 
sure, i'm exagerating, but like i say this is real money, we've had enough bad buys to justify a slightly more cautious approach
 
and if our lads hadn't gone f%#king nuts with reds and yellows we'd probably be able to field a team that would have won on Sunday.  Manny may have been just enough difference at the back, or at DM and allowed Smith to play at striker
 
I just don't go with this getting all deloras angsty about the new owners not spending money yet
 
edit - i can just imagine
Ricki - want injury cover for up front - Mirvan's down
WelNix - Ok go for it
Ricki - I'm using our striker injury cover at DM, cuase of cards, can I have another one?
Welnix - ya wot?
 
mjp22011-10-31 17:11:17
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Clebersonstarted a few games for us too. There is also a difference between a squad player and a 'dog'

I don't agree with doloras either,for the record. Tegal2011-10-31 17:13:31

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I do. The squad is thin enough as it is (without suspensions taken into account) and Ricki wanted another striker before all of the injury problems. Welnix has money, so Ricki should be able to spend it.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think Deloras is simply making a point about how a lot of the "OMG we must get rid of Terry" melodrama included angst over how terrible the squad looked in pre-season and how we must get new owners and spend more money on getting a decent squad.
 
As one of those who wanted Terry to go on his own terms if possible (and that was kind-of achieved) I wasn't too bothered about the squad and I lowered my expectations about the season ages ago. As it turns out the squad looks pretty solid and at least some of that angst seems to have been unnecessary.
 
The new owners having come in though, I have to admit I am a little disappointed they couldn't see the wisdom of making just one key signing that was a statement of their intent, as well as a genuine attempt to create a bit of interest and excitement and put some bums on seats.
 

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
There is no evidence that they have tightened any purse strings though. Or have I missed something

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i am probably in reality in somewhat the same place, except that I think it is unreasonable to expect them to rush into a big signing.  If you pick up a marquee you probably want him for at least a couple of years and at marquee pricing that's a lot of dosh to be committing
 
i just suspect that the attempt to sign a new striker was getting pretty late and would have been hasty, so i don't blame the new owners for holding off a bit
 
any angst right now still deserves to be placed more at Terry's feet.  If he had not hung on as long as he did then Welnix and Ricki would have had the time to manage a considered recruitment period.
 
As it was Terry hung on to the last minute and, I will repeat, if I was putting out millions for the club I would not want that to be hastily done.  It seems a cheap shot to be bitching about them already.
 
Bit of luck we pick up some-one decent after xmas and the squad has us in good placing to then make a run for a decent finals finish.  Ricki said we would not get a signing this year - i am expecting he still means calendar year, consistent with the earlier suggestions about when we may go for a strong signing.  If we get nothing after xmas I'd probably be like you, a bit uncomfortable about Welnix's position.  Right now I think i can understand their perspective and live with it.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
patrick478 wrote:
I do. The squad is thin enough as it is (without suspensions taken into account) and Ricki wanted another striker before all of the injury problems. Welnix has money, so Ricki should be able to spend it.
tend to agree - if the team is to get better - i just think they intend to go marquee for striker, so you don't rush into that
 
assuming current injuries come right, as you'd hope, and we get these dumb cards a bit under control, then we look pretty good
sanchez is going well, ifill will make a difference, smith getting the chance to gel, in a more up front position, we could do very well with what we have
 
ok, we are still light at RB/LB, but we've gone years with Terry like that
we are better at CM than we have ever been, no worse at striker than we have been pre-xmas every other season, and ward gives us reasonable cover at wide mid, especially assuming iffy gets back on the horse, so sure, we'd love better right now, but I'd be happier if they come up with a two year cracking marquee signing after xmas
 
 
 
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We were told Ricki would have the entire salary cap available but the position on the various marquees was not classified. Are we right on the cap or is there room?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Has to be room. Three of our 20 are youth players and how many players have we signed have been at a loose end? Those guys aren't earning lots.TopLeft072011-10-31 18:26:10

Fuck this stupid game

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
There is no evidence that they have tightened any purse strings though. Or have I missed something


The evidence is that Ricki had contracts in front of three Euro strikers, and Welnix told him to pull the plug.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I, for one, wouldn't want the job of trying to recruit for the A League. Reality is that if anyone is any good chances are they are in Europe playing in lower divisions under the noses of scouts of big clubs with big cheque books. So that means A League teams are resigned to, in the most part, sifting through either really young up-and-comers looking for a breakthrough, journeymen who are unwanted by Europe, or ex-superstars in the twilight of their careers looking to put something back in to football at "grass roots" level.

Given the field of players they have to pick from they are bound to pick more dogs than stars.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:

Tegal wrote:
There is no evidence that they have tightened any purse strings though. Or have I missed something
The evidence is that Ricki had contracts in front of three Euro strikers, and Welnix told him to pull the plug.


Didn't Ricki sign Alex Smith, taking up the last import spot instead of Welnix pulling out?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Alex Smith is an injury cover. That happened after Welnix pulled the plug on the three Euro strikers in front of whom Ricki had contracts.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
And isn't today the last day of the transfer window? Or did I imagine that.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yesterday I was clammering for some new strike power....a gun striker and a good winger. But after thinking about it I think it is quite reasonable for Welnix to hold fire for a while. Don't forget we have Ifill returning soon and there is another striker in Pav who must be nearing returning from his bust arm.
 
We have been super unlucky with Ifills injury, as well as Pantellis. Smith looks like he will be a useful signing. With Sanchez looking the goods playing attacking mid there is only room in our setup for one out and out striker IMO. We are playing some excellent football....sure a Shane Smeltz or a Killen might have had a hattrick by half time against the Victory, but we don't have them.
 
I am more than prepared to wait until the January transfer window. If we can get Ifill back and in year 1 form, if Pav can up his game and give poor exhausted Greenie a rest. The style of football we are playing now will trouble most sides in this comp. As Rickie said he would be more concerned if we were not creating chances.
 
I think we should cut the Welnix guys some slack. They have done an incredible thing putting their hands into their pockets and buying the club. Their steady as it goes policy will win out in the end IMO. The time to recruit a gun striker was about 6 months ago...I would hate to think who would be out there now looking for a club.
 
 We have quality players, we just need to keep them on the park for every game.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
zinidane wrote:
I think we should cut the Welnix guys some slack. They have done an incredible thing putting their hands into their pockets and buying the club. Their steady as it goes policy will win out in the end IMO.


You've got no proof they've actually spent a cent of their own money yet.

And the indications are they think they might not have to.

That's the problem.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So  its the new guys fault we dont have strikers. Interesting im more than happy to cut them some slack.Not sure just where this super striker who must come cheap is going to appear from.

Pity the new guys dont seem to be  given the same slack as TS was.As an interesting aside at least one of them was prepared to join some of the YF pre game.

As for proof where is the proof they havnt.



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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ballane wrote:
So  its the new guys fault we dont have strikers. Interesting im more than happy to cut them some slack.Not sure just where this super striker who must come cheap is going to appear from.

Pity the new guys dont seem to be  given the same slack as TS was.As an interesting aside at least one of them was prepared to join some of the YF pre game.

As for proof where is the proof they havnt.


I was prepared to have low expectations under Terry, who had earned about $4m worth of slack.

But the king is dead, long live the new king.

Welnix took over and expectations should now be higher, don't you think?

Or are you one of those PC types who thinks that winning doesn't matter and taking part is all that counts?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:
Alex Smith is an injury cover. That happened after Welnix pulled the plug on the three Euro strikers in front of whom Ricki had contracts.

And how likely were those ?? Of course if Terry had stayed on it would all still be sweet...

Is there a new campaign starting here ? Spare us please
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
terminator_x wrote:

ballane wrote:
So� its the new guys fault we dont have strikers. Interesting im more than happy to cut them some slack.Not sure just where this super striker who must come cheap is going to appear from.Pity the new guys dont seem to be� given the same slack as TS was.As an interesting aside at least one of them was prepared to join some of the YF pre game.As for proof where is the proof they havnt.
I was prepared to have low expectations under Terry, who had earned about $4m worth of slack.But the king is dead, long live the new king.Welnix took over and expectations should now be higher, don't you think?Or are you one of those PC types who thinks that winning doesn't matter and taking part is all that counts?


Yeah 4 games in, sack them all

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
Yeah 4 games in, sack them all


No, just asking them to invest in one above average new player who knows where the goal is.

Speculate to accumulate and all that.

I just find it interesting that those who were baying for Terry's blood when he wasn't in any position to invest and the squad was looking a bit ropey, are now happy to let Welnix (who we know have some cash) do EXACTLY the same thing.

 

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
zinidane wrote:
I think we should cut the Welnix guys some slack. They have done an incredible thing putting their hands into their pockets and buying the club. Their steady as it goes policy will win out in the end IMO.


You've got no proof they've actually spent a cent of their own money yet.

And the indications are they think they might not have to.

That's the problem.
I have to say it.
 
You guys gave TS, a guy renowned around town for not paying his contractors and being an arse to deal with, more slack than the new owners.
 
you need to pull your heads in and be appreciative of what you've got.  otherwise you deserve f**k all.
 
bunch of moaning muppets.
 
otherwise YOU buy the team you bunch of useless moaning sh*tes lol
 
now take your gaming attention spans and petulant want everything now attitudes, stick them where the sun doesn't shine and grow up
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
A Mrs Merton handbag moment is appropriate about now.
Junior822011-10-31 22:54:28

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...or a Shooting Stars one?

Amusing that it's Term who is generally a (somewhat rabid) voice of reason being slammed.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah but "be appreciative of what you've got" is what was being said when TS was in charge,those people were ridiculed for saying it.

Now those who said it before,are now ridiculing those saying it about the new owners.

In summary: the whole argument is stupid...

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
YF - more infighting than a Tard starting XI.
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
YF  arguments - not quite (but almost) as stoopid as Jordybean.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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