Hmmm Kick Off at 7.00pm So they all must finish work at 5.00 getting paid overtime??
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I just want to change the perception that people can't be fans of the Phoenix and fans of ASB Premiership teams.
but unfortunatly you are in the huge minority mate which is part of my point!!
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I enjoy the ASB Prem.� Fever has done it's little bit to push players from that league, and I think Jordy you're right that there are more players in that league who could play professionally for the Phoenix, as the examples you've given highlight.
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In the minority which way?
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I actually think we have a fair amount in common you and I, except that for me the Phoenix are at the top of the local pyramid and for you Auckland City are.
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I don't think either view is wrong.
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I also don't think it's necessary for either side of the argument to "win" - the point being that no "system" or "structure" is going to be perfect.� The trick is to be pragmatic and work within the framework that exists.
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Incidentally, it's exactly that "working within the system" approach that has brought ACFC all the gaming machine riches they have.� They've been pragmatic, and effective, and good luck to them.� I don't begrudge them a cent of it, and I think there's merit in the "other franchises should try to emulate us" way of thinking.
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It's a shame that some people in both the Phoenix and the ACFC fanbase are fractious and just want to wind the "other side" up because really, those little squabbles are fairly childish.
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Not that I mind a windup from time to time mind you.
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In the minority that Wellington got 9500 on Sunday
were as the toal attendance at the 1st rd of ASBP would of struggled to top 1500!!
With not many at TW v Otago game 272 according to NZFC.co.nz
I would say your in the minority of Phoenix fans that support the ASBP
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Hmmm Kick Off at 7.00pm So they all must finish work at 5.00� getting paid overtime??
At least 5 ACFC players in Olympic squad for game tomorrow
I wonder how many Wellington Phoenix players???
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Agreed!!
But is that your whole point? Is that why you have a problem
with ACFC because they secure more funding and sponsorship than any other ASBP club? So it is jealousy then?
Because they are a better run and organised club than any other in the comp?
But is that your whole point? Is that why you have a problem
with ACFC because they secure more funding and sponsorship than any other ASBP club? So it is jealousy then?
Because they are a better run and organised club than any other in the comp?
I don't really have a problem with ACFC at all, but with some of their supporters who denigrate the importance of the Phoenix in the NZ football landscape.
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Firstly i do answer Jeffs questions and comment on his opinions whether i agree or disagree. thats what a forums for discussion and debate. So Buildit you can take your hands out of Vaders pockets.
Yes i dont deney that i believe Auckland City are paying players. Id say every franchise will be paying a player/players rightly or wrongly. AuckLand City because oif their efforts have generated income and are able to pay more than others. But you can have a pop at Auckland City when we know a fact Waitak for out a bit and smaller franchises will be throwing players money here and there. You just want to have a dig at City. Again down to jealousy and disliking.Cheers
A very, very debatable statement. Sure ACFC have made themselves (and the rest of the league) a bit of money from CWC, but the level of funding they get from Trillion is incomparable to what the other ASB sides get (with the possible exception of Waitak).
And fair enough, I don't begrudge them that, if you can get it, why wouldn't you? But let's not pretend (and I'm not saying that you are, but there are some who do) that ACFC's success is not premised upon a very large fund base for an outwardly amateur side, which at the same time dwarfs the budgets of their competition in the ASB Prem. So in that context the success of ACFC is hardly surprising. Just like if that funding was to suddenly go away, ACFC's fortunes on the field would more than likely significantly dip too.
You are more than right. Of course at some stage at some stage will go away and Auckland City may have to cut down in some areas. Teams all around the world suffer this. However for the time being Auckland City is keeping The ASB League afloat.
Just like NZ Football were keeping the Phoenix afloat last year when they were pouring NZ's World Cup money they received into the side.
People should just be grateful and accept thing for how they are.
Cheers
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Agreed!!
But is that your whole point? Is that why you have a problem
with ACFC because they secure more funding and sponsorship than any other ASBP club? So it is jealousy then?
Because they are a better run and organised club than any other in the comp?
But is that your whole point? Is that why you have a problem
with ACFC because they secure more funding and sponsorship than any other ASBP club? So it is jealousy then?
Because they are a better run and organised club than any other in the comp?
I don't really have a problem with ACFC at all, but with some of their supporters who denigrate the importance of the Phoenix in the NZ football landscape.
Then why all the funding complaints then?
how the club operates has no connection to some (me included) of there supporters opinions on Wellington Phoenix?
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Just like NZ Football were keeping the Phoenix afloat last year when they were pouring NZ's World Cup money they received into the side.
Can you give us some evidence of this?
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Agreed!!
But is that your whole point? Is that why you have a problem
with ACFC because they secure more funding and sponsorship than any other ASBP club? So it is jealousy then?
Because they are a better run and organised club than any other in the comp?
But is that your whole point? Is that why you have a problem
with ACFC because they secure more funding and sponsorship than any other ASBP club? So it is jealousy then?
Because they are a better run and organised club than any other in the comp?
I don't really have a problem with ACFC at all, but with some of their supporters who denigrate the importance of the Phoenix in the NZ football landscape.
Then why all the funding complaints then?
how the club operates has no connection to some (me included) of there supporters opinions on Wellington Phoenix?
It does if those same supporters hold up ACFC as the source of all good in New Zealand football, and the Phoenix as the source of all evil.
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Comment was made in weekend herald sometime last year...sorry can not locate exact source. Also have strong connections with people in power. However dont play dumb on the issue El.
And if you look back on my comments i have never said Phoenix are the evil or however you put it. I have always said that both sides are good for NZ football. But dont start having a pop at funding or money issues because there's alot that goes down behind the scenes that the supporters of both clubs do not know.
Cheers
And if you look back on my comments i have never said Phoenix are the evil or however you put it. I have always said that both sides are good for NZ football. But dont start having a pop at funding or money issues because there's alot that goes down behind the scenes that the supporters of both clubs do not know.
Cheers
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Phil if you read the comments, most people would like to know HOW ACFC do it because when you look at the facts in the cold light of day, you have to come to a conclusion that the players are paid. Thats goes against the rules of the competition. Now you guys are not the only ones (cue Adam Cowan telling the media he jacked up $10k for Jason Hayne) but with the amount of money that you guys pull in from the trust (and the only figures talked about by TX is the trusts) then ACFC would certainly be the worst abusers on first look. When you throw in the Barbara Striesand syndrome (our team are an amateur club and that the players are not paid) then people naturally gravitate to throwing stones at you. AND you do it in a smug manner. You also continue to preach the mantra of ACFC being all about grassroots coalface NZ football when you have a fair few imports of your own. This is why people open up on you. I've tried today to lay off the stone throwing and put up conversation pieces to debate the football points. You keep coming back to the other stuff yet you know perfectly well why people are taking shots at you. You make Richard Nixon look innocent with the degree with which you blindly believe that ACFC are all righteous and holy.
To give you a different point of view, no one is taking cracks at Waitakere and their supporters because they are not in here saying that Waitakere are all righteous and holy, the Phoenix are evil, they are all about grassroots football and that they are a good honest amateur club. See how it works?
Jeff Vader2011-11-02 19:47:32
To give you a different point of view, no one is taking cracks at Waitakere and their supporters because they are not in here saying that Waitakere are all righteous and holy, the Phoenix are evil, they are all about grassroots football and that they are a good honest amateur club. See how it works?
Jeff Vader2011-11-02 19:47:32
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Comment was made in weekend herald sometime last year...sorry can not locate exact source. Also have strong connections with people in power. However dont play dumb on the issue El.
And if you look back on my comments i have never said Phoenix are the evil or however you put it. I have always said that both sides are good for NZ football. But dont start having a pop at funding or money issues because there's alot that goes down behind the scenes that the supporters of both clubs do not know.
Cheers
And if you look back on my comments i have never said Phoenix are the evil or however you put it. I have always said that both sides are good for NZ football. But dont start having a pop at funding or money issues because there's alot that goes down behind the scenes that the supporters of both clubs do not know.
Cheers
What you are referencing was that NZF had an arrangement whereby they were giving the Phoenix 50k towards Ricki's salary as opposed to Ricki directly for being All Whites coach. Effectively Ricki was getting 1 salary but from two parties. My guess would be a tax issue.
If you go ask Colin Margison, the out going FC at NZF, he will tell you much the same.
Jeff Vader2011-11-02 19:44:36
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Comment was made in weekend herald sometime last year...sorry can not locate exact source. Also have strong connections with people in power.� However dont play dumb on the issue El.� And if you look back on my comments i have never said Phoenix are the evil or however you put it. I have always said that both sides are good for NZ football. But dont start having a pop at funding or money issues because there's alot that goes down behind the scenes that the supporters of both clubs do not know.Cheers
The reason I'm asking for the evidence is that that particular rumour gets bandied around all the time by people who want to portray the Phoenix as a drain on NZF's limited resources. It is my understanding that the Phoenix do receive payments from NZF - but those are in recompense for Ricki doing the All Whites job, which is certainly a reasonable thing for NZF to be doing. And it is not an astronomical sum by any means, so it is a bit disingenuous to suggest that NZF was keeping the Phoenix alive.
And please do not find yourself called out in these discussions, most of it is aimed at JordyBean and some of the other ACFC fans (well, one in particular) who used to frequent this forum.
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Comment was made in weekend herald sometime last year...sorry can not locate exact source. Also have strong connections with people in power. However dont play dumb on the issue El.
And if you look back on my comments i have never said Phoenix are the evil or however you put it. I have always said that both sides are good for NZ football. But dont start having a pop at funding or money issues because there's alot that goes down behind the scenes that the supporters of both clubs do not know.
Cheers
And if you look back on my comments i have never said Phoenix are the evil or however you put it. I have always said that both sides are good for NZ football. But dont start having a pop at funding or money issues because there's alot that goes down behind the scenes that the supporters of both clubs do not know.
Cheers
What you are referencing was that NZF had an arrangement whereby they were giving the Phoenix 50k towards Ricki's salary as opposed to Ricki directly for being All Whites coach. Effectively Ricki was getting 1 salary but from two parties. My guess would be a tax issue.
No...Entry fee -partial im led to believe - also player wages - week by week basis. Not all was reported in the press. However back to the the ACFC thread and talk ACFC.
Cheers
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Objectively, if NZF were going to pay the players wages, it would have been near the end when Terry was in a hole. As it was, they didn't. It makes me loathe to think they would when Terry had cash...
However if you got evidence, I'm sure we would all listen.
Jeff Vader2011-11-02 20:06:39
However if you got evidence, I'm sure we would all listen.
Jeff Vader2011-11-02 20:06:39
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Objectively, if NZF were going to pay the players wages, it would have been near the end when Terry was in a hole. As it was, they didn't. It makes me loathe to think they would when Terry had cash...
However if you got evidence, I'm sure we would all listen.
However if you got evidence, I'm sure we would all listen.
Not going to name sources.
Anyway Auck City vs Welly Lads this weekend...on paper they have a good young side but struggled against what looks like poor Otago side after watching the highlights. Thoughts on how this game may pan out? I think ACFC will give the young boys a lesson but hope its a close game and a spectacle!
Cheers
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Why not? I named my one. I'd say its a pretty good one too.
Jeff Vader2011-11-02 20:19:18
Jeff Vader2011-11-02 20:19:18
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This.
It's the party line from a very tiny minority of NZ football suporters (about 15) and has never been in any way proven.
That one is a put up or shut up.
It's the party line from a very tiny minority of NZ football suporters (about 15) and has never been in any way proven.
That one is a put up or shut up.
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Comment was made in weekend herald sometime last year...sorry can not locate exact source. Also have strong connections with people in power. However dont play dumb on the issue El.
And if you look back on my comments i have never said Phoenix are the evil or however you put it. I have always said that both sides are good for NZ football. But dont start having a pop at funding or money issues because there's alot that goes down behind the scenes that the supporters of both clubs do not know.
Cheers
And if you look back on my comments i have never said Phoenix are the evil or however you put it. I have always said that both sides are good for NZ football. But dont start having a pop at funding or money issues because there's alot that goes down behind the scenes that the supporters of both clubs do not know.
Cheers
What you are referencing was that NZF had an arrangement whereby they were giving the Phoenix 50k towards Ricki's salary as opposed to Ricki directly for being All Whites coach. Effectively Ricki was getting 1 salary but from two parties. My guess would be a tax issue.
If you go ask Colin Margison, the out going FC at NZF, he will tell you much the same.
I think it is fair to assume that there were some short term loans given to the Phoenix by NZF - pretty sure that was confirmed in the media. Different to funding.
On the ACFC/Trillion relationship I remember clearly on here an ACFC fan (bluemaguic I think, not sure if he is still around) saying that Trillion had a box, or had access to a sponsors box at ACFC matches. That in itself is a clear breach of the rules - but again clearly there are breaches of the rules all around the league. In a way I'd rather the money went to football than another sport because you can be sure it goes on all over amateur sport in New Zealand.
Normo's coming home
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Interesting points, I cant reply to fully as im using my phone at work and the screen aint big enough
but you seem to be putting forward an all our eggs in one basket arguement?
Thats part of the problem all we hear about is Phoeninx and more Phoenix in the media while that happens our domestic league will never grow and its not just football its the same in Basketball and League and to a certain extent Rugby
As for Rojas and Barborouses they are prime examples as to why i have a problem with the Phoenix why are more players not given a chance? Those 2 have shown players from NZFC are good enough as has SigmUnd, and surely Spoonley ( or Imray for that matter) would have be a better bet than a 37 year old Warner!!
No I'm not advocating all eggs in one basket approach. I'm merely pointing out the benefits the Phoenix provide to football in NZ. As for Spoonley and Imray, yes I agree, but isn't Imray classified as an import and Spoonley is studying full time law with a double major? but you seem to be putting forward an all our eggs in one basket arguement?
Thats part of the problem all we hear about is Phoeninx and more Phoenix in the media while that happens our domestic league will never grow and its not just football its the same in Basketball and League and to a certain extent Rugby
As for Rojas and Barborouses they are prime examples as to why i have a problem with the Phoenix why are more players not given a chance? Those 2 have shown players from NZFC are good enough as has SigmUnd, and surely Spoonley ( or Imray for that matter) would have be a better bet than a 37 year old Warner!!
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A question I would like to ask and this is a chance for you to have you uninterrupted say:
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
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A question I would like to ask and this is a chance for you to have you uninterrupted say:
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
Into the ground will probably be the Short Answer JV 
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The truth is that the Phoenix is privately funded and ACFC (like all other NZFC franchises) is a mix of "private" and public funding.
terminator_x2011-11-03 11:58:08
NZF pay the Phoenix a very modest sum for Ricki Herbert's services. There is no way they could find a new national coach for anywhere near the amount they pay the Phoenix. In fact, this arrangement could reasonably be seen as the Phoenix subsidising NZF by providing their national coach with a near-full-time role elsewhere. If NZF had to find a new national coach the cost would be significant and would be passed on to the rest of the game.
NZF also appear to have provided the Phoenix with loans in the past to cover short-term cashflow issues.
The other financial entanglement that I know of involving NZF and the Nix is the now defunct ASB challenge. This appears to have been funded largely by the sponsor, however, and regardless it was an arrangement that all parties involved benefited from.
If people are aware of other payments from NZF to the Phoenix then, as Hard News says, they should put up or shut up.
By contrast, all NZFC franchises are largely funded by a mix of charitable trust funding (public money) and CWC prize money (pseudo private money*). There's a little bit of genuine sponsorship in there, gate takings etc but bugger all in the grand scheme of things.
*It's important to remember that franchises only have access to this money in the first place through playing in a NZF/FIFA endorsed competition. The division of CWC prize-moneys is also subject to the license agreement between NZFC and franchises. It's not like franchises can go and earn this money on their own.
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I'm not even sure that there is any private funding of ACFC - if there is it's not immediately obvious in the accounts.
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Yeah, I'm giving them some leeway by defining "private" simply as "not public". They have a little bit of commercial sponsorship etc but it's not much. Essentially they run on community trust (Trillion Trust) money and CWC prize-money.
terminator_x2011-11-03 11:53:42
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A question I would like to ask and this is a chance for you to have you uninterrupted say:
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
I dont agree with having a team competing in the Australian league full stop!!
But if we have to have one then there should be more NZ players and all the Youth players that they are required to have in the squad should be NZ eligible.
And maybe not have a 37 year old Trinidad & Tobago Goalkeeper!!
Also they should not be given a cent by NZF
unless they are a completely NZ eligible team
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A question I would like to ask and this is a chance for you to have you uninterrupted say:
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
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Actually couldnt of put it better myself!!
Mind you stick with Herbert for much longer and he'll do the job himself
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A question I would like to ask and this is a chance for you to have you uninterrupted say:
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
I dont agree with having a team competing in the Australian league full stop!!
But if we have to have one then there should be more NZ players and all the Youth players that they are required to have in the squad should be NZ eligible.
And maybe not have a 37 year old Trinidad & Tobago Goalkeeper!!
Also they should not be given a cent by NZF
unless they are a completely NZ eligible team
That's fairly puritanical. NZ needs to be more pragmatic.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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A question I would like to ask and this is a chance for you to have you uninterrupted say:
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
I dont agree with having a team competing in the Australian league full stop!!
But if we have to have one then there should be more NZ players and all the Youth players that they are required to have in the squad should be NZ eligible.
And maybe not have a 37 year old Trinidad & Tobago Goalkeeper!!
Also they should not be given a cent by NZF
unless they are a completely NZ eligible team
so in meeting all these requirements would you expect the phoenix team you'd select to be remotely competitive? I have my doubts.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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A question I would like to ask and this is a chance for you to have you uninterrupted say:
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'
I dont agree with having a team competing in the Australian league full stop!!
But if we have to have one then there should be more NZ players and all the Youth players that they are required to have in the squad should be NZ eligible. who would you pick then?
And maybe not have a 37 year old Trinidad & Tobago Goalkeeper!! who would you replace him with?
Also they should not be given a cent by NZF unless they are a completely NZ eligible team
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Without wanting to inflame things. How can you demand that the Phoenix, for the good of the game, play all Kiwis when your own club don't?
I suspect for Tony Warner Jordy would give Spoonley a shout out, or Imray. Personally I think Imray > Spoonley. But I sort of agree with him on that front.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Most of us agree with him on that front, but I suspect that is unlikely to be acknowledged as it conradicts the Knitting Circkle agenda.
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I dont agree with having a team competing in the Australian league full stop!!
But if we have to have one then there should be more NZ players and all the Youth players that they are required to have in the squad should be NZ eligible.
And maybe not have a 37 year old Trinidad & Tobago Goalkeeper!!
Also they should not be given a cent by NZF
unless they are a completely NZ eligible team
In my view football in NZ can progress only if there is another A league club in Auckland (I know it didn't work in the past, but doesn't mean it wouldn't work in the future). It would create rivalry between the clubs and attract more fans.
Also, the third Auckland team in ASB would be very helpful (North Shore?). There are far too many young players choosing to go to USA colleges hoping to make it pro. Free education is attractive, but also the fact that they may not get a proper chance here could be why they make decision to leave NZ. In addition, good coaching with more modern approach (passing game with focus on technical development) to the game would improve quality of NZ football and make it internationally more competitive.
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I think i just heard Phil's head asplode.
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...There are far too many young players choosing to go to USA colleges hoping to make it pro. Free education is attractive, but also the fact that they� may not get a proper chance here could be why they make decision to leave NZ...
Going to the US is not a bad choice for a young Kiwi. Ryan Nelsen did it. If you do well in college soccer you have a good chance of being selected in the MLS Superdraft. And if you don't get a career out of it, you at least come back to NZ with a good education.
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I wouldn't mind another A League club (Christchurch) in the long-term, but first NZ Football needs to focus on the future of the ASB Premiership and the Phoenix.
I like what the new Phoenix owners are doing though :
I like what the new Phoenix owners are doing though :
"We want to start identifying young players and building talent through an academy system and feeder team, because longer-term that makes a lot more sense in terms of building a sustainable football club. The clubs that are doing best aren't the clubs who are actually spending the most money at the moment. We've got an open mind, hopefully the fans can have an open mind as well."
Morrison was confident an academy and feeder team would be up and running by next season and there was a possibility it could play in the ASB Premiership, although that would require approval from New Zealand Football.
The long-term goal is to base the club's entire operation at Newtown Park and improve the currently modest training facilities.
In terms of tangible developments this season, Morrison said there would be a boost to the currently skinny staffing numbers, both on the footballing and administration sides.
That's exactly what I expect from the Phoenix. Good job Morrison & co. Morrison was confident an academy and feeder team would be up and running by next season and there was a possibility it could play in the ASB Premiership, although that would require approval from New Zealand Football.
The long-term goal is to base the club's entire operation at Newtown Park and improve the currently modest training facilities.
In terms of tangible developments this season, Morrison said there would be a boost to the currently skinny staffing numbers, both on the footballing and administration sides.
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tbh Nathan was saying it before we had the new owners during the off-season. Plus the ASB Challenge and player academy operated last season were already a step in that direction.
Of course those facts (again) don't meet the knitting circle prpoganda.
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A question I would like to ask and this is a chance for you to have you uninterrupted say:
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'[/QUOTE]
I dont agree with having a team competing in the Australian league full stop!!
But if we have to have one then there should be more NZ players and all the Youth players that they are required to have in the squad should be NZ eligible.
And maybe not have a 37 year old Trinidad & Tobago Goalkeeper!!
Also they should not be given a cent by NZF
unless they are a completely NZ eligible team
'how do you think the Phoenix should be run in an ideal world where you and the rest of the ACFC dissenters would fully endorse it'[/QUOTE]
I dont agree with having a team competing in the Australian league full stop!!
But if we have to have one then there should be more NZ players and all the Youth players that they are required to have in the squad should be NZ eligible.
And maybe not have a 37 year old Trinidad & Tobago Goalkeeper!!
Also they should not be given a cent by NZF
unless they are a completely NZ eligible team
As I was reading this I was thinking 'You f**king hypocrite' and then I read this
[QUOTE=Smithy]Without wanting to inflame things. How can you demand that the Phoenix, for the good of the game, play all Kiwis when your own club don't?
and through 'at least I am not the only one'
I stayed quiet all day because as you said, there is too much mudslinging. I played fair, put up some reasonable conversation pieces, gave you a chance to at least engage in the conversation but instead you come up with that? You are not a supporter of grassroots NZ football like you proclaim the righteous and holy ACFC are - you are support of ACFC and anything that serves its interests to the detrement of football in this country provided ACFC win it all.
I don't think you really have too much more to say in this forum that is actually worth listening to Phil because you've just exposed yourself to be quite bigoted towards ACFC. 'The Phoenix should be all Kiwi while I'll support the righteous and holy ACFC who are all about grassroots NZ football but are actually chocked of imports'? Give me a break.
Fetch your coat mate, you have no legs to stand on.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10763681
6 months is all it takes to not be classified as an import. WOW.
6 months is all it takes to not be classified as an import. WOW.
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Don't know why Tade is considered a resident. He's been here for 2ish years. Perhaps he visited home recently and that resets it.2ndBest2011-11-04 08:31:29
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So these imports are only six months from being good honest kiwi coalface footballers. I'm okay with that. Do ACFC sing our national anthem at the CWC?
Fuck this stupid game
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