Central League 2

Chungus23 wrote:

 bigfudge wrote:

 Chungus23 wrote:

 bigfudge wrote:
Just did a little look at what next season might look like with teams going up to NL and if only 4 go up from CL, and 4 go up from CL2, if 4 teams come up from Cap Prem and the Central federation (2 from Cap Prem and 1 each of east and west prems would be my guess) into CL2, that will leave only TK as the club team in Cap Prem, if Greytown and Welly Marist go up (which they might not). This is based on the league tables so far so obviously this will change. But if it is first teams only in CL2, it looks very likely that in a few years Cap Prem could be all Reserve sides. Island Bay and North Welly are the best performing teams in Cap 1 without teams in the div above.

I'm bringing this up because while I'd like to see CL and CL2 stay club only, it would be pretty crazy if teams from Cap 1 were going to CL playoffs if there are no other club teams in Cap Prem in the future, or if teams like Wellington Marist choose not to go for promotion. 

This is all very hypothetical but would love to hear peoples thoughts on this. The Reserve sides in CL2 argument definitaly has some ground, but it also feels like this would crush some CL2 teams. Why would someone play for a CL2 club team, if they could play for a res side in CL2, and potentially play National League.

They have teams in other regions like whanganui athletic and rumours of a Nelson based team that would be prioritised over cap 1 before that happens

My point is more to do with once teams like Whanganui or even Nelson are in CL2, what happens with the Capital representative in the CL2 playoffs?

That won’t change, so everything will stay the same how it has been, so you’ll start seeing cap prem being dominated by reserve sides as it should be. Teams like Wellington united will still have to graft all their way up which they should do in the next few years. Cap prem will be dominated by reserve for “development” unless they widen the region for it.

Bigboot wrote:

 Chungus23 wrote:

 bigfudge wrote:

 Chungus23 wrote:

 bigfudge wrote:
Just did a little look at what next season might look like with teams going up to NL and if only 4 go up from CL, and 4 go up from CL2, if 4 teams come up from Cap Prem and the Central federation (2 from Cap Prem and 1 each of east and west prems would be my guess) into CL2, that will leave only TK as the club team in Cap Prem, if Greytown and Welly Marist go up (which they might not). This is based on the league tables so far so obviously this will change. But if it is first teams only in CL2, it looks very likely that in a few years Cap Prem could be all Reserve sides. Island Bay and North Welly are the best performing teams in Cap 1 without teams in the div above.

I'm bringing this up because while I'd like to see CL and CL2 stay club only, it would be pretty crazy if teams from Cap 1 were going to CL playoffs if there are no other club teams in Cap Prem in the future, or if teams like Wellington Marist choose not to go for promotion. 

This is all very hypothetical but would love to hear peoples thoughts on this. The Reserve sides in CL2 argument definitaly has some ground, but it also feels like this would crush some CL2 teams. Why would someone play for a CL2 club team, if they could play for a res side in CL2, and potentially play National League.

They have teams in other regions like whanganui athletic and rumours of a Nelson based team that would be prioritised over cap 1 before that happens

My point is more to do with once teams like Whanganui or even Nelson are in CL2, what happens with the Capital representative in the CL2 playoffs?

That won’t change, so everything will stay the same how it has been, so you’ll start seeing cap prem being dominated by reserve sides as it should be. Teams like Wellington united will still have to graft all their way up which they should do in the next few years. Cap prem will be dominated by reserve for “development” unless they widen the region for it.

CL 2027 
6 remaining CL teams plus top 3 CL2  plus Nelson Suburbs (could be an extra team if Wests/Napier win the NL playoff)

CL2 2027 
7 remaining teams plus West winner, East winner and Prem winner 

2028
Cap Prem winner v East/West playoff winner up to CL2* 

* In my opinion Reserve teams from Cap Prem allowed - it will only be one up each year…. If they win the playoff 

Southernix wrote:
Could bring in the policy from Southern where a team must finish Top 2 in their regional league to contest promotion. It would prevent the theoretical risk of say TK finishing 9th and still constesting promotion.

Nelson Suburbs makes sense, although Nelson region becomes an interesting problem. Either it moves to Central (presumably needing a promotion spot somewhere) or stays Southern, which either reduces to 8 teams or has to promote an extra team, quite possibly FC Nelson (and putting two Nelson teams competing in different leagues at the same level).

hotchips wrote:

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hotchips wrote:
I have seen a document somewhere else that says only National League reserve teams would be eligible for promotion to CL2, no CL reserve sides. Can't find it right now though.

hotchips wrote:
I have seen a document somewhere else that says only National League reserve teams would be eligible for promotion to CL2, no CL reserve sides. Can't find it right now though.

LT01 wrote:
Sorry, what's with all the chat about Nelson sides joining central league or central league 2? Struggle to believe that's even being considered.

Feverish wrote:

 hotchips wrote:
I have seen a document somewhere else that says only National League reserve teams would be eligible for promotion to CL2, no CL reserve sides. Can't find it right now though.

Interesting - I didn’t think any decisions around that had been made 

maybe I'm reading too much into this line in the document I posted

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hotchips wrote:

 Feverish wrote:

 hotchips wrote:
I have seen a document somewhere else that says only National League reserve teams would be eligible for promotion to CL2, no CL reserve sides. Can't find it right now though.

Interesting - I didn’t think any decisions around that had been made 

maybe I'm reading too much into this line in the document I posted

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This would also suggest that as well.

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Bigboot wrote:

 LT01 wrote:
Sorry, what's with all the chat about Nelson sides joining central league or central league 2? Struggle to believe that's even being considered.

It is very much being considered. 

25min flight to Wellington vs 60min flight to Chch for starters. Then you add in Dunedin is an extra flight and Wānaka is two flights and an hour bus ride. 

The cost of the Southern League is something the rest of the country do not consider (and indirectly still pay for). So moving Nelson to the Central region solves quite a bit of the problem. 

It makes a lot of sense to me. 

Feverish wrote:
no chance Central/Capital want South Island teams

Nelfoos wrote:
Nelson doesnt even have the depth of talent to have 2 teams in the Southern League. Richmond AFC had a go a long time ago but couldn't keep the funding going, FC Nelson in recent times have had a good crack at promotion but haven't been able to make it happen. I can't see this being any different, except for the team picking up some NI based players which would defeat the purpose.

LT01 wrote:

 Nelfoos wrote:
Nelson doesnt even have the depth of talent to have 2 teams in the Southern League. Richmond AFC had a go a long time ago but couldn't keep the funding going, FC Nelson in recent times have had a good crack at promotion but haven't been able to make it happen. I can't see this being any different, except for the team picking up some NI based players which would defeat the purpose.

FC Nelson have been pretty close and would recruit more if they are promoted, don't think I agree with this claim about depth of talent. Nelson got enough for two teams.

Nelfoos wrote:

 LT01 wrote:

 Nelfoos wrote:
Nelson doesnt even have the depth of talent to have 2 teams in the Southern League. Richmond AFC had a go a long time ago but couldn't keep the funding going, FC Nelson in recent times have had a good crack at promotion but haven't been able to make it happen. I can't see this being any different, except for the team picking up some NI based players which would defeat the purpose.

FC Nelson have been pretty close and would recruit more if they are promoted, don't think I agree with this claim about depth of talent. Nelson got enough for two teams.

If they have to recruit the talent from outside the region then the talent isn't there. If they have the talent then there'll be an FC Nelson team in the Southern League very shortly - no need for a team in a North Island league either way.

Nelson produces plenty of talent, but so much of it moves away from the region after high school.

Shambles wrote:
A Nelson based team in CL or CL2 would be a logistical nightmare. It might suit Nelson but I can't see Douglas Villa driving from Masterton to Wellington or Palmy, to catch a flight to Nelson and then get to the ground, play the game, then do the reverse. Our, now annual, once in a lifetime weather events would mean a lot of admin to reschedule the inevitable missed fixtures as well. 

I know that in the UK Guernsey FC are forced to pay for visiting teams passage to and from the Island for their home games. If Nelson want to bear that cost then maybe, but still highly unlikely. 

Tyler wrote:
Getting back to the league, some wild results today.

Wainui 4-1 over Seatoun the most wild although Nth Wellington scraping past DV was a surprise. 

PNU cruising it huh

Bigboot wrote:
Just to start an early preview of this weekends matches, let us know your predictions in this crazy league! Everyone is dropping points - Taradale has won 3 on the bounce, Stop Out is 2 from 2 with PNM and DV struggling at the bottom.

Douglas Villa v Stop Out
Stop Out have had a good recent run at home. While not the biggest test to bottom place Douglas Villa, it could be a banana skin to travel over the hill. In saying that, they have shown they have a decent spine and the ability to score goals - Stop Out WIN

Seatoun v Taradale
After a strong start to the season, Seatoun have lost two on the bounce. They face the form team of the league in Taradale. In the CL2 distance derby, it shapes up to be a decisive game in both teams seasons. Based on recent fork alone - Taradale WIN

Tawa v North Wellington
In the game of the round (in my opinion), neighbouring Tawa and NW go head-to-head. I’ve been very critical of NWs off season $igning$, it’s time for them to step up. I think this game promises to have it all, cards, goals and momentum swings - NW WIN 

Wainui v Palmy Utd
Back at home after two strong away performances, Wainui takes on league leaders in an interesting clash. PNU dropping their first points of the season last week not have to travel to Richard Prouse Park. I back the Wainui locals to carry their team - DRAW

Lower Hutt v Palmy Marist
Lower Hutt surprised most (except themselves I’m sure) to take all 3 points away from PNU last week. I don’t see any other result - LH WIN 

Give us your thoughts and predictions!