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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bwtcf wrote:
holeinone wrote:
i think it is a little unfair of gareth to compare our crowd numbers with australian cities, they at least get a decent away crowd for some of there matches not like wellington where their is little or no away support because of the travel involved.
 
We need to get over it. He appreciates all of that.
 
Gareth was being deliberatively provocative. He did that to get traction in the media and get peopel talking, debating and thinking.
 
And possibly to jolt some of the casuals into turning up.
 
It's worked. It's got media traction. It stirred up the YF forums. GREAT ideas are bubbling to the surface. Relax. Gareth wants what we all want... a successful club, bigger crowds, and the team doing well on the pitch. He's not stupid.
 
 
This. Very cunning plan by our Gaz! 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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sir les wrote:
goldienz wrote:
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Maybe work with football clubs in those target areas. Help them organise it. Bus, tickets, burger & a beer for $50. $5 from every ticket goes to the club. Supporting local football etc

I can't speak for ideas to work with locals, but i know the things that would help make it more realistic for my family & friends to get to games.

I remember back in the day going to a wellington rugby game at athletic park, and one of the pubs in town did a deal where you paid $30 or something, you got a beer before and after the game, and a bus to the park.
 
this is something that the nix could work on even in wellington with either footbal clubs themselves, with clubs like island bay, karori, miramar etc, or pubs
 
I think package deals with businesses round town is a good idea too. "Buy our product and receive a phoenix ticket for just $20". Hotels can also do package deals that include a phoenix ticket.
 
To get this to work you can have 'ticket vouchers' that can be redeemed for phoenix tickets. The club can have package deals for these vouchers, that maybe equate to a season ticket in price on a per game basis. You can make these available to businesses and either work out a promotion together, or let them use them how they wish. Maybe even make these voucher packages available to the public?
 
Again, the problem with ticket vouchers that are then redeemed for free is ticketek wouldn't be happy with losing their fee...So maybe the club can work something out with ticketek such as: for every one of these ticket voucher packages that is sold, ticketek gets some sort of fee. You could work something out, as like any voucher, not all of them would actually be used before theyre expired.

Allegedly

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
sir les wrote:
goldienz wrote:
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Maybe work with football clubs in those target areas. Help them organise it. Bus, tickets, burger & a beer for $50. $5 from every ticket goes to the club. Supporting local football etc

I can't speak for ideas to work with locals, but i know the things that would help make it more realistic for my family & friends to get to games.

I remember back in the day going to a wellington rugby game at athletic park, and one of the pubs in town did a deal where you paid $30 or something, you got a beer before and after the game, and a bus to the park.
 
this is something that the nix could work on even in wellington with either footbal clubs themselves, with clubs like island bay, karori, miramar etc, or pubs
 
I think package deals with businesses round town is a good idea too. "Buy our product and receive a phoenix ticket for just $20". Hotels can also do package deals that include a phoenix ticket.
 
To get this to work you can have 'ticket vouchers' that can be redeemed for phoenix tickets. The club can have package deals for these vouchers, that maybe equate to a season ticket in price on a per game basis. You can make these available to businesses and either work out a promotion together, or let them use them how they wish. Maybe even make these voucher packages available to the public?
 
Again, the problem with ticket vouchers that are then redeemed for free is ticketek wouldn't be happy with losing their fee...So maybe the club can work something out with ticketek such as: for every one of these ticket voucher packages that is sold, ticketek gets some sort of fee. You could work something out, as like any voucher, not all of them would actually be used before theyre expired.
Just add the fee onto local clubs' charges for the artifical turfs.
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:

sir les wrote:
goldienz wrote:
. Maybe work with football clubs in those target areas. Help them organise it. Bus, tickets, burger & a beer for $50. $5 from every ticket goes to the club. Supporting local football etc I can't speak for ideas to work with locals, but i know the things that would help make it more realistic for my family & friends to get to games.



I remember back in the day going to a wellington rugby game at athletic park, and one of the pubs in town did a deal where you paid $30 or something, you got a beer before and after the game, and a bus to the park.
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this is something that the nix could work on even in wellington with either footbal clubs themselves, with clubs like island bay, karori, miramar etc, or pubs

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I think package deals with businesses round town is a good idea too. "Buy our product and receive a phoenix ticket for just $20". Hotels can also do package deals that include a phoenix ticket.
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To get this to work you can have 'ticket vouchers' that can be redeemed for phoenix tickets. The club can have package deals for these vouchers, that maybe equate to a season ticket in price on a per game basis. You can make these available to businesses and either work out a promotion together, or let them use them how they wish. Maybe even make these voucher packages available to the public?
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Again, the problem with ticket vouchers that are then redeemed for free is ticketek wouldn't be happy with losing their fee...So maybe the club can work something out with ticketek such as: for every one of these ticket voucher packages that is sold, ticketek gets some sort of fee. You could work something out, as like any voucher, not all of them would actually be used before theyre expired.


Hey, I like that. Hotel room , beer and chips at 4kings, and 2 tickets to the match. Best. Anniversary. Idea. Ever!

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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bwtcf wrote:
Hehehe, that pacific incorrect�turn of phrase is one of the ones that annoys me the most...


I'm going to assume you're deliberately trolling there.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bwtcf wrote:
holeinone wrote:
i think it is a little unfair of gareth to compare our crowd numbers with australian cities, they at least get a decent away crowd for some of there matches not like wellington where their is little or no away support because of the travel involved.



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We need to get over it. He appreciates all of that.

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Gareth was being deliberatively provocative. He did that to get traction in the media and get people talking, debating and thinking.

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And possibly to jolt some of the casuals into turning up.

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It's worked. It's got media traction. It stirred up the YF forums. GREAT ideas are bubbling to the surface. Relax. Gareth wants what we all want... a successful club, bigger crowds, and the team doing well on the pitch. He's not stupid.

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I think he has every right to say something. We all got fired up when there might be no more nix.

Gaz & co saved the nix, but it's a business, not a charity.

And as mentioned, it got coverage, it's got us all thinking.

I'm pleased we have an owner who is not willing to do & say nothing.

Nice work!

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jag wrote:
bwtcf wrote:
holeinone wrote:
i think it is a little unfair of gareth to compare our crowd numbers with australian cities, they at least get a decent away crowd for some of there matches not like wellington where their is little or no away support because of the travel involved.



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We need to get over it. He appreciates all of that.

�

Gareth was being deliberatively provocative. He did that to get traction in the media and get peopel talking, debating and thinking.

�

And possibly to jolt some of the casuals into turning up.

�

It's worked. It's got media traction. It stirred up the YF forums. GREAT ideas are bubbling to the surface. Relax. Gareth wants what we all want... a successful club, bigger crowds, and the team doing well on the pitch. He's not stupid.

�



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This.�Very cunning plan by our Gaz!�


This.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Junior82 wrote:
 
 
Edit: I should add that while I go on about SM I don't actually do it.  I'm certainly interested, but the Peter Plumley-Walker incident has put me off getting into it.
 
 
I said " by the balls, not Huka Falls!!!!"
 
"How much extra is this going to cost me?"
 
Oldies but goldies......
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jag wrote:
bwtcf wrote:
holeinone wrote:
i think it is a little unfair of gareth to compare our crowd numbers with australian cities, they at least get a decent away crowd for some of there matches not like wellington where their is little or no away support because of the travel involved.
 
We need to get over it. He appreciates all of that.
 
Gareth was being deliberatively provocative. He did that to get traction in the media and get peopel talking, debating and thinking.
 
And possibly to jolt some of the casuals into turning up.
 
It's worked. It's got media traction. It stirred up the YF forums. GREAT ideas are bubbling to the surface. Relax. Gareth wants what we all want... a successful club, bigger crowds, and the team doing well on the pitch. He's not stupid.
 
 
This. Very cunning plan by our Gaz! 
 
Especially the bit about wearing black.
 
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
goldienz wrote:
Gaz & co saved the nix, but it's a business, not a charity.
 
CureNix?
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Junior82 wrote:

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Edit: I should add that while I go on about SM I don't actually do it.� I'm certainly interested, but the Peter Plumley-Walker incident has put�me off getting into it.

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I said " by the balls, not Huka Falls!!!!"
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"How much extra is this going to cost me?"

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Oldies but goldies......


I wonder whether I should talk about the professional dominatrices I've known. Eh, perhaps in Off Topic.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
 
 
Edit: I should add that while I go on about SM I don't actually do it.  I'm certainly interested, but the Peter Plumley-Walker incident has put me off getting into it.
 
 
I said " by the balls, not Huka Falls!!!!"
 
"How much extra is this going to cost me?"
 
Oldies but goldies......
How did they pay for his funeral?
They had a whip around.
 
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Junior82 wrote:

 

 

Edit: I should add that while I go on about SM I don't actually do it.  I'm certainly interested, but the Peter Plumley-Walker incident has put me off getting into it.

 

 
I said " by the balls, not Huka Falls!!!!"
 

"How much extra is this going to cost me?"

 

Oldies but goldies......


I wonder whether I should talk about the professional dominatrices I've known. Eh, perhaps in Off Topic.
AFF Ladies Div 1?
Junior822012-01-24 12:29:25

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:
bwtcf wrote:
Hehehe, that pacific incorrect turn of phrase is one of the ones that annoys me the most...


I'm going to assume you're deliberately trolling there.
Smarter than your average beer Boo-boo! bwtcf2012-01-24 12:29:35

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:
tweet from Gourdie wrote:
Stance from @YellowFever_NZ sounds a bit like cutting off your nose despite your face. Without their core support, there'd be no club at all
If wider fan base continue to be as fickle as they are, ONE extra game on the road should be seen as a necessary evil to keep the club alive


(Actually, Andrew, that's "to spite their face".)
 
While I see where he is coming from, I think Mr G is missing the point somewhat.
 
Ask any hard core group of supporters anywhere in the World how they'd feel about a number of games being played hundreds of miles from their "home ground" and you'd get the same reaction.
 
Buying a season ticket is based on the assumption that you will go to every game, if games are being played "away", the likelihood of getting to every game becomes less, because of travelling costs, work commitments etc. Why should supporters pay for seats at games that they know they will be unlikely to attend?
 
If the club decides to play more games away  elsewhere, they should (IMO) offer the option of a season membership for the games being played at the ROF only, with the corresponding drop in price.
Jag2012-01-24 12:32:24

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The more games played away, the more detatched a supporter becomes from the club. There has to be a point where a supporter becomes completely detatched.

Allegedly

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
The more games played away, the more detatched a supporter becomes from the club. There has to be a point where a supporter becomes completely detatched.
 
I agree. I believe that the Wellington Phoenix should play in Wellington.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
As an out-of-towner I think 2 maximum. But I'm not voting because im not a season pass holder. ahmad2012-01-24 12:36:55

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jag wrote:
Tegal wrote:
The more games played away, the more detatched a supporter becomes from the club. There has to be a point where a supporter becomes completely detatched.

I agree. I believe that the Wellington Phoenix should play in Wellington.

Even if it means they don't exist to play due to financial collapse?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oh dear.
Sorry, but I think Gareth's comments sound too much like a petulant rant for my liking.
Reading the previous few pages (esp Terminator X) there are some really good ideas here. Perhaps Welnix should have invited input from this forum before trying any new marketing ideas? There's some really clever stuff here, lots of it cost-neutral to the Club, yet the best AbFab Marketing Inc. could come up with is a sh*te All Blacks day? Speaks for itself really.

We need to win. That brings crowds. It's been proven several times. Keep winning, we'll build our fan base. And always remember.......

We are the Mighty Phoenix! We can beat anyone!

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
here what Fred has to say
 
last paragraph where he echos the Newcastle evidence that Wellington should be getting bigger crowds - like Gareth and eeryone else not in YF they seem to be forgetting the ease of access to Newcastle the away fans have. Noobcastle vs Sydney - for sydney fans its a 2 hour drive, or probably a simply train ride to the game. Against CCM the away fans have an hour to drive. To get to Welly it's a 3.5hour flight which not only costs a lot but takes a lot more effort than "let's drive for an hour" to watch the game.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Re buses from regional centres - why should the club put these on? There are such things in the world called "supporters clubs" that organize buses to take fans to and from the games at their own expense.

Perhaps groups of like minded individuals in Kapiti, Manawatu and Wairarapa could start up their own regional W.P.S.Cs and organise buses too/from games (and speak to the stadium management about bus parking at the ground)

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ahmad wrote:
Jag wrote:
Tegal wrote:
The more games played away, the more detatched a supporter becomes from the club. There has to be a point where a supporter becomes completely detatched.

I agree. I believe that the Wellington Phoenix should play in Wellington.

Even if it means they don't exist to play due to financial collapse?
 
I didn't say that. Like I said earlier, I can see what Gourdie was talking about.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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ginger_eejit wrote:
Re buses from regional centres - why should the club put these on? There are such things in the world called "supporters clubs" that organize buses to take fans to and from the games at their own expense.

Perhaps groups of like minded individuals in Kapiti, Manawatu and Wairarapa could start up their own regional W.P.S.Cs and organise buses too/from games (and speak to the stadium management about bus parking at the ground)

 
"The wheels on your house go round and round..."
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think the club need to look at themselves and try things, before threatening the fans. Tegal2012-01-24 12:44:54

Allegedly

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So is this 10K figure accurate??

What have the attendance averages been through Nix history? Is 10K totally unrealistic?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Re the Ten ticket idea.. Think it's great and think there could be some options around the following..
Ten ticket single, ten ticket family
Six ticket single, six ticket family

Realize now that you can't lock down seats as you don't know specific dates..duh.
One possible solution is for Ticketek to create a degree of access or a self service portal to manage these tickets.
If they allowed you to buy at the fixed price, access online or via mobile to lock in games and seats, saying which you will definitely attend, with firm deadlines to confirm by for each game or you miss out.The onus is then on you to manage your ten or six match allocation and confirm by the due time.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
I think the club need to look at themselves and try things, before threatening the fans.


Spot on.

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah but jets got way over 11000 for phoenix game the other night and you couldnt say there were 5000 nix fans from welly there!!! that example a direct comparison with nix crowds and sadly at the mo we're not getting the numbers. not sure how to fix it


theprof wrote:
here what Fred has to say

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last paragraph where he echos the Newcastle evidence that Wellington should be getting bigger crowds - like Gareth and eeryone else not in YF they seem to be forgetting the ease of access to Newcastle the away fans have. Noobcastle vs Sydney - for sydney fans its a 2 hour drive, or probably a simply train ride to the game. Against CCM the away fans have an hour to drive. To get to Welly it's a 3.5hour flight which not only costs a lot but takes a lot more effort than "let's drive for an hour" to watch the game.
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that's fair, but then if you read the artivle Gareth's assumption that our $NZ29 + booking fee. is the cheapest in town is wrong, $A25 to get into Perth, $A60 including booking fee for family tickets, where we pay $NZ70 + booking fee. If $36 for an adult is seen as too high then the nix need to reduce the cost or get Ticketeck to stop gauging us $5 a time.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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When I first read Gareth's tweet I thought the tone was unfortunate and reminiscent of the NZRFU's threat to take test matches away from Dunedin (?) unless more people bought tickets - threats typically result in the opposite effect to that desired.
 
On reflection I thought fair enough - the guys stumped up with his own money, and is investing significant time, to save and secure the Nix for the benefit of NZ football and Wellington. It is not unreasonable for football supporters and Wellingtonians to be challenged to front up at games.
 
Sometimes I think we can all be a little precious and sensitive about the way messages are delivered - yes the tone could have been better but the message is not unreasonable and the subsequent discussion (as have previous similar threads) is generating a number of good ideas.
 
I like having an owners' spokesperson who just tells it the way it is.  
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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I think you are all being high and mighty about this.  Cry babies.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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I must say I rolled my eyes at the comments on the Herald article suggesting that Gareth should just continue to bankroll the Nix out of his own pocket. The last owner did that and look where it got him.

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Junior82 wrote:
I think you are all being high and mighty about this.  Cry babies.
 
If we all wear black to every game from now on, we won't have a problem. Trust me.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Doloras wrote:
I must say I rolled my eyes at the comments on the Herald article suggesting that Gareth should just continue to bankroll the Nix out of his own pocket. The last owner did that and look where it got him.
A nice YF t shirt.
Junior822012-01-24 13:03:03

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Junior82 wrote:
I think you are all being high and mighty about this.� Cry babies.

It's not often we see eye to eye but I TOTALLY agree with you on this one.

It's wearing black just for ONE game FFS!

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ahmad wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
I think you are all being high and mighty about this.  Cry babies.

It's not often we see eye to eye but I TOTALLY agree with you on this one.

It's wearing black just for ONE game FFS!
 
So many serious debates. My head hurts.
 
 
Thats better.
Tegal2012-01-24 13:05:21

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
ahmad wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
I think you are all being high and mighty about this.  Cry babies.

It's not often we see eye to eye but I TOTALLY agree with you on this one.

It's wearing black just for ONE game FFS!
 
So many serious debates. My head hurts.
 
Headache? As long as you don't have a blackout!
 
 
See what I did there?  I'll get my coat...

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Ok Mr Morgan - been a Gold Season ticket holder since day 1 and rarely miss a game (well never miss one if I am in Wellington).
 
By all means move the home games all over the country, but be sure you will lose at least one season ticket holder as a result.  
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ahmad wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
I think you are all being high and mighty about this.  Cry babies.

It's not often we see eye to eye but I TOTALLY agree with you on this one.

It's wearing black just for ONE game FFS!
 
I'd wear black for one, grudgingly for two, but would stay at home if it was three matches.
 
 
Junior822012-01-24 13:07:49

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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