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Nix v WS Wanderers Sun 13th 4.30pm

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Paston was never going to get it so that statement is just incorrect. He should however demanded that Sigmund hoof it. I still blame Sigmund for not doing what he does best - hoof it.



When I yell at my backline to hoof it, they get shitty at me for "stating the obvious". I would have done exactly what Pasty did - if you're not sure whether you can get to it and your centreback is motoring towards it, stay out of his way, and assume he won't totally screw it up.

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Doloras wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:
Paston was never going to get it so that statement is just incorrect. He should however demanded that Sigmund hoof it. I still blame Sigmund for not doing what he does best - hoof it.



When I yell at my backline to hoof it, they get shitty at me for "stating the obvious". I would have done exactly what Pasty did - if you're not sure whether you can get to it and your centreback is motoring towards it, stay out of his way, and assume he won't totally screw it up.


So Paston doesn't communicate in case the defenders go in a bad mood with him? Great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Our best player was the wind. In first half Made us look alot better than we are.   But second half when the wind was subbed off showed how crap we actually are. 

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What game were you watching nufc?!?!? Totori was shite (again). Stein was solid. But lets be honest, no one turned up all game

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Doloras wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:
Paston was never going to get it so that statement is just incorrect. He should however demanded that Sigmund hoof it. I still blame Sigmund for not doing what he does best - hoof it.



When I yell at my backline to hoof it, they get shitty at me for "stating the obvious". I would have done exactly what Pasty did - if you're not sure whether you can get to it and your centreback is motoring towards it, stay out of his way, and assume he won't totally screw it up.


That's all well and good provided your CB is actually moving towards the ball, not just holding onto it and looking aimlessly in your dierection.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Do we really think 1 player will fix all our problems? Thats why I asked the question...


Clearly not. Right now we are facing several interconnected problems, and we're not gonna be resolving them by the end of the season. The way I see it, the problems are, at the very least, fourfold:
1) Problem with tactical integration of our lines to get them to function cohesively on the field. The problems in the midfield are most obvious, but they are not helped with what's happening both in front of and behind them. This is partly a coaching, and partly a player problem.
2) Lack of technical ability to play the kind of game they're being asked to and lack of football intelligence to choose the correct options on the part of several of our players. This is just the reality we're faced with in the squad.
3) Serious loss of form from a number of traditionally well-performed player. This is just bad luck, although perhaps could have been anticipated given the respective ages of those players.
4) Meddling of the ownership into the football side of things, which seems to have exacerbated some of the on-field problems we have.
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sadly our "who are ya?" seemed to wake up the Moo-er, who until then had been sleeping relatively peacefully in his field in fact at one time he seemed to fall over asleep just when he lost possesion
patrick478 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Feverish wrote:

negatives: paston. siggy, lia, referee, fever, dead balls

positive: the chick doing the face painting looked quite fit

The Fever sounded quite good on TV.
The Who Are Ya just after the ref's massive cockup was possibly the loudest I have ever heard the Fever.
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Ok so of the two teams on display today we had one team that was cobbled together at the beginning of the season from a bunch of rejects from other clubs and another that has been built up over 6 years under the same management. One team was disciplined, worked as unit, defended solidly and moved the ball well through midfield, the other looked disjointed, fell away under pressure and made serious defensive errors.

We can bag the players all we like and some probably deserved it but the bottom line is that at the beginning of the season it was commonly agreed we had the best squad ever. We certainly would have not swapped any players with any of the cast-offs recruited by WSW(apart from Ono, who actually came on after the game was won). Sure we have missed an in form Ifill but  we shouldn't have to rely on  him to win every game for us.

The reality is the A-League has moved on in quality....and quite dramatically, especially this season. Teams have recruited better more skillful players and coaches have upped their game as well. As it has turned out our preseason recruitment was not good enough. Totori and Smith are just not good enough to warrant import slots. We have retained a few players who do not have the skill  to now compete at the higher levels required(Lia and possibly Siggy)) In addition our coach has failed to lift his standard to the new level. Tactically we have been exposed in several games this year. IMO Ricki does not have what is required to get the team to perform at the level required. Put simply we are getting outcoached every week. Twice in a row now the opposition have come out after the half time talk and completely countered our game..and we have had no response.

We have probably got two options now. One is to get Muscat back...pack the midfield, grind it out, revert to longball and hope Ifill comes back and can turn games for us....which is a game Ricki understands or Two, keep trying to play the current game with the poor resources(mainly midfield) we have and hope it comes right.


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Option two seems to be the only option Ricki is allowed to utilise, it's going to be ugly - which is sad given we had the "best preseason thus far"

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i vote for option 1 this season and recruit and option two for next season i also vote for more holidays, Hull City to get promoted, a second trans pacific fibre link, strong action on climate change and independent breweries remaining free from carbonated sugar water take-overs
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el grapadura wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Do we really think 1 player will fix all our problems? Thats why I asked the question...


Clearly not. Right now we are facing several interconnected problems, and we're not gonna be resolving them by the end of the season. The way I see it, the problems are, at the very least, fourfold:
1) Problem with tactical integration of our lines to get them to function cohesively on the field. The problems in the midfield are most obvious, but they are not helped with what's happening both in front of and behind them. This is partly a coaching, and partly a player problem.
2) Lack of technical ability to play the kind of game they're being asked to and lack of football intelligence to choose the correct options on the part of several of our players. This is just the reality we're faced with in the squad.
3) Serious loss of form from a number of traditionally well-performed player. This is just bad luck, although perhaps could have been anticipated given the respective ages of those players.
4) Meddling of the ownership into the football side of things, which seems to have exacerbated some of the on-field problems we have.
That was the point I was trying to make. The problems are a lot bigger than 'sign a marquee midfielder'. He wont fix the form of Sigmund, Manny, Lochhead, Lia et all. Thank you.

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tigers wrote:
i vote for option 1 this season and recruit and option two for next season i also vote for more holidays, Hull City to get promoted, a second trans pacific fibre link, strong action on climate change and independent breweries remaining free from carbonated sugar water take-overs
I used to work there. No chance of that.

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Feverish wrote:

negatives: paston. siggy, lia, referee, fever, dead balls

positive: the chick doing the face painting looked quite fit


Omg just about to say that. Weird.



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tpmyhill wrote:

What game were you watching nufc?!?!? Totori was shite (again). Stein was solid. But lets be honest, no one turned up all game


No, lol. I was joking ! Hence my avatar...



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austin10 wrote:

Ok so of the two teams on display today we had one team that was cobbled together at the beginning of the season from a bunch of rejects from other clubs and another that has been built up over 6 years under the same management. One team was disciplined, worked as unit, defended solidly and moved the ball well through midfield, the other looked disjointed, fell away under pressure and made serious defensive errors.

We can bag the players all we like and some probably deserved it but the bottom line is that at the beginning of the season it was commonly agreed we had the best squad ever. We certainly would have not swapped any players with any of the cast-offs recruited by WSW(apart from Ono, who actually came on after the game was won). Sure we have missed an in form Ifill but  we shouldn't have to rely on  him to win every game for us.

The reality is the A-League has moved on in quality....and quite dramatically, especially this season. Teams have recruited better more skillful players and coaches have upped their game as well. As it has turned out our preseason recruitment was not good enough. Totori and Smith are just not good enough to warrant import slots. We have retained a few players who do not have the skill  to now compete at the higher levels required(Lia and possibly Siggy)) In addition our coach has failed to lift his standard to the new level. Tactically we have been exposed in several games this year. IMO Ricki does not have what is required to get the team to perform at the level required. Put simply we are getting outcoached every week. Twice in a row now the opposition have come out after the half time talk and completely countered our game..and we have had no response.

We have probably got two options now. One is to get Muscat back...pack the midfield, grind it out, revert to longball and hope Ifill comes back and can turn games for us....which is a game Ricki understands or Two, keep trying to play the current game with the poor resources(mainly midfield) we have and hope it comes right.




I don't agree with that at all. In fact I reckon the standard this season has overall been rather lower. Possibly this is because Roar is no longer a force. Last season they and CCM set the bar very high which had the knock-on effect of generally forcing teams to lift their game, both tactically and technically. I certainly don't see better coaches in the league this season.

Unfortunately our failure so far has little to do with the quality of other teams and everything to do with our own lack of it.


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el grapadura wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Do we really think 1 player will fix all our problems? Thats why I asked the question...


Clearly not. Right now we are facing several interconnected problems, and we're not gonna be resolving them by the end of the season. The way I see it, the problems are, at the very least, fourfold:
1) Problem with tactical integration of our lines to get them to function cohesively on the field. The problems in the midfield are most obvious, but they are not helped with what's happening both in front of and behind them. This is partly a coaching, and partly a player problem.
2) Lack of technical ability to play the kind of game they're being asked to and lack of football intelligence to choose the correct options on the part of several of our players. This is just the reality we're faced with in the squad.
3) Serious loss of form from a number of traditionally well-performed player. This is just bad luck, although perhaps could have been anticipated given the respective ages of those players.
4) Meddling of the ownership into the football side of things, which seems to have exacerbated some of the on-field problems we have.

Agreed.
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theprof wrote:

yeah, their spend no money policy is starting to hurt, both on the signings front and marketing


remind me, what were the NZ/Aus, international and youth marquees that TS signed?
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mjp2 wrote:

theprof wrote:

yeah, their spend no money policy is starting to hurt, both on the signings front and marketing


remind me, what were the NZ/Aus, international and youth marquees that TS signed?

Jade North, Jon Mckain, offered Rojas youth marquee (even when he was broke), guess you could count freds stint.  

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

theprof wrote:

yeah, their spend no money policy is starting to hurt, both on the signings front and marketing


remind me, what were the NZ/Aus, international and youth marquees that TS signed?

Jade North, Jon Mckain, offered Rojas youth marquee (even when he was broke), guess you could count freds stint.  

Thanks - wasn't sure who/if any were marquees. 
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terminator_x wrote:

I cannot believe that in amongst all this angst not one of you has managed to put your finger on the actual problem here...

Once again we were forced to attack the Yellow Fever end in the first half.

It is just mega-bad juju. The worst.

Losing the toss at home is just killing us this year.

Apart from that I think everything else is fine.


so much this!
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mjp2 wrote:

Tegal wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

theprof wrote:

yeah, their spend no money policy is starting to hurt, both on the signings front and marketing


remind me, what were the NZ/Aus, international and youth marquees that TS signed?

Jade North, Jon Mckain, offered Rojas youth marquee (even when he was broke), guess you could count freds stint.  

Thanks - wasn't sure who/if any were marquees. 

None of those were...
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hepatitis wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

Tegal wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

theprof wrote:

yeah, their spend no money policy is starting to hurt, both on the signings front and marketing


remind me, what were the NZ/Aus, international and youth marquees that TS signed?

Jade North, Jon Mckain, offered Rojas youth marquee (even when he was broke), guess you could count freds stint.  

Thanks - wasn't sure who/if any were marquees. 

None of those were...

North was Aus marquee i think
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arnies wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

Tegal wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

theprof wrote:

yeah, their spend no money policy is starting to hurt, both on the signings front and marketing


remind me, what were the NZ/Aus, international and youth marquees that TS signed?

Jade North, Jon Mckain, offered Rojas youth marquee (even when he was broke), guess you could count freds stint.  

Thanks - wasn't sure who/if any were marquees. 

None of those were...

North was Aus marquee i think

Correct, and when Mckain was in our squad, we had the 'secret marquee' debacle. He is a socceroo, and is on big money, so assume he was on rather a lot when he was here. We also offered Rojas Youth marquee. You could exclude Fred, which is why I was tentative about it, but he was a guest player which is something Terry has done that Welnix are unlikely to do, so it fit...just. 

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:

arnies wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

Tegal wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

theprof wrote:

yeah, their spend no money policy is starting to hurt, both on the signings front and marketing


remind me, what were the NZ/Aus, international and youth marquees that TS signed?

Jade North, Jon Mckain, offered Rojas youth marquee (even when he was broke), guess you could count freds stint.  

Thanks - wasn't sure who/if any were marquees. 

None of those were...

North was Aus marquee i think

Correct, and when Mckain was in our squad, we had the 'secret marquee' debacle. He is a socceroo, and is on big money, so assume he was on rather a lot when he was here. We also offered Rojas Youth marquee. You could exclude Fred, which is why I was tentative about it, but he was a guest player which is something Terry has done that Welnix are unlikely to do, so it fit...just. 


So TS only signed one marquee then, an Aus one... I stand corrected.
Welnix must have spent some money, as we are at the limit of our cap, or so it is said
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2 marquees. Plus offered a third youth marquee. As well as bringing Fred and Elliot on for guest stints. My point is more that TS wasn't exactly tight in spending, that is 5 occasions when he was prepared to spend over the salary cap, something which Welnix are telling us they are not prepared to do. 


Allegedly

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dont forget elrich was a 'marquee'.

we also offered Kruse youth marquee spot


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 Highlight of the Match.

Doloras having a 'heated discussion' with another fan in the zone over who was to blame.

Paston or Siggy.

With a cheer thrown in at the end.

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Tegal wrote:

2 marquees. Plus offered a third youth marquee. As well as bringing Fred and Elliot on for guest stints. My point is more that TS wasn't exactly tight in spending, that is 5 occasions when he was prepared to spend over the salary cap, something which Welnix are telling us they are not prepared to do. 


TS, One Aus marquee signed officially in 4 years. Maybe 2 with Elrich. Welnix, none in 2 years. Just to be accurate...

Agree that TS had a generous nature. He did splash well for Fred, he made an impact, Simon Elliot didnt, but was worth a try. Elrich looked great on the first game, average thereafter. 

My hope is that Welnix will get it together next season (see sense) for the midfield creative player we have always needed from O/S as we dont seem to produce them in NZ

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Jeff Vader wrote:

tigers wrote:
i vote for option 1 this season and recruit and option two for next season i also vote for more holidays, Hull City to get promoted, a second trans pacific fibre link, strong action on climate change and independent breweries remaining free from carbonated sugar water take-overs
I used to work there. No chance of that.
You worked for Hull?

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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Ard Choille wrote:

 Highlight of the Match.

Doloras having a 'heated discussion' with another fan in the zone over who was to blame.

Paston or Siggy.

With a cheer thrown in at the end.



Yeah... I've apologised for my use of foul language up the thread. ;)

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Dear me. After having been away for a few weeks travelling it was my first game back at the RoF.

At half time I was quietly optimistic.

By 75 minutes I was close to suicidal. What a truly AWFUL second half.

The three highlights for me were:

1. Vinnie LIa doing at least as many good things as bad things. We scored him +1 point when he won a tackle, got an opposition player booked or won a foul, or made a pass stick (to a Phoenix player), and -1 point when he gave the ball away or committed a foul. When he was subbed off he was at +1. And his shot to sting the palms of the Wanderers keeper was one of the high points of the game.

2. Waffles hitting the bar, and looking dangerous on a number of occaisions running at and through the defence.

3. Fenton on the ball. Still looks great. I do wish he'd push on into the box and force the issue and see if a defender or two doesn't scythe him down for a penalty... he keeps backing away like the 18 yard box is an electric fence...

Oh, and most of the time Siggy and Dura tidying up at tyhe back were good too... well, some of the time...


Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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I was there awesum rant

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A few suggestions amongst the general angst - Boxall on for Siggy, Hogg definitely on for Lochhead and stop playing Totori so far back. His only asset is to run at defenders, he's too easily brushed off the ball to be largely defending.

Push Bertos up more as a wing back, it's where he's more inclined.

Draft in Luis Corrales as an attacking midfielder if he really is moving back to Wellington..

Oh and someone kick Brockie up the bum and tell him it's a 90 minute game.

Felt sorry for Huysegems who made good runs but didn't usually get good ball to his feet.

In the words of Bob Dylan - "when you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose".

 

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Trueblue wrote:

A few suggestions amongst the general angst - Boxall on for Siggy, Hogg definitely on for Lochhead and stop playing Totori so far back. His only asset is to run at defenders, he's too easily brushed off the ball to be largely defending.

Push Bertos up more as a wing back, it's where he's more inclined.

Draft in Luis Corrales as an attacking midfielder if he really is moving back to Wellington..

Oh and someone kick Brockie up the bum and tell him it's a 90 minute game.

Felt sorry for Huysegems who made good runs but didn't usually get good ball to his feet.

In the words of Bob Dylan - "when you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose".

 

Pretty hard to blame Brockie (or Heinekens) for quiet second half performances - the ball rarely got over half way. No striker would have looked good in that no matter who they are. The only way they could have got involved was to get back and help and there goes our "new style" as the shape goes. Turns out the new shape is pear shape
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austin10 wrote:

Ok so of the two teams on display today we had one team that was cobbled together at the beginning of the season from a bunch of rejects from other clubs and another that has been built up over 6 years under the same management. One team was disciplined, worked as unit, defended solidly and moved the ball well through midfield, the other looked disjointed, fell away under pressure and made serious defensive errors.

We can bag the players all we like and some probably deserved it but the bottom line is that at the beginning of the season it was commonly agreed we had the best squad ever. We certainly would have not swapped any players with any of the cast-offs recruited by WSW(apart from Ono, who actually came on after the game was won). Sure we have missed an in form Ifill but  we shouldn't have to rely on  him to win every game for us.

The reality is the A-League has moved on in quality....and quite dramatically, especially this season. Teams have recruited better more skillful players and coaches have upped their game as well. As it has turned out our preseason recruitment was not good enough. Totori and Smith are just not good enough to warrant import slots. We have retained a few players who do not have the skill  to now compete at the higher levels required(Lia and possibly Siggy)) In addition our coach has failed to lift his standard to the new level. Tactically we have been exposed in several games this year. IMO Ricki does not have what is required to get the team to perform at the level required. Put simply we are getting outcoached every week. Twice in a row now the opposition have come out after the half time talk and completely countered our game..and we have had no response.

We have probably got two options now. One is to get Muscat back...pack the midfield, grind it out, revert to longball and hope Ifill comes back and can turn games for us....which is a game Ricki understands or Two, keep trying to play the current game with the poor resources(mainly midfield) we have and hope it comes right.


In a nutshell well said. Other teams have developed, the Phoenix have not. Totori and Smith are not worthy of import slots at this level. RH has made too many of these mediocre signings.

The only thing left for this season is to give serious game time to Boxall, Hogg and Lindsay to augment the development of Fenton and Boyd. That at least will be a positive for the future of the franchise.

Have a look at how Paul Marshall has Waitakere playing in the ASBP. He could be a good choice for a new home-grown coach for the Phoenix next season. He has a good attacking mindset.

 

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brockie doesnt get involved enough for me - he and huysegems offered little by the end - although guess that was the same with the whole time.

Definitely thought Huysegems deeper than brockie worked a lot better than the reverse last week. 


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playwithFire wrote:

brockie doesnt get involved enough for me - he and huysegems offered little by the end - although guess that was the same with the whole time.

Definitely thought Huysegems deeper than brockie worked a lot better than the reverse last week. 

Agree, Huysegems looks much better with the ball at his feet. 

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