Um so if you have 5 bosses, and only 3 of them supported you, you feel comfortable with that?
Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)
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Um so if you have 5 bosses, and only 3 of them supported you, you feel comfortable with that?
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So Morrison's back-up plan is five businessmen putting in $400k each per season over 5 years.
Any thoughts on the pros and cons of moving from a single-owner to multi-owner model?
Ask the Fury.... But, i still think its better than Terry.
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So Morrison's back-up plan is five businessmen putting in $400k each per season over 5 years.
Any thoughts on the pros and cons of moving from a single-owner to multi-owner model?
Ask the Fury.... But, i still think its better than Terry.
Now all Terry has to do is let go of the reins, and let the rescue mission begin - of the club and the season (if it's not already too late to fill out the roster with some new, quality players).
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Ah I see.
You do say this at the start of every season mind you
You do say this at the start of every season mind you
Not entirely sure that's true, but you can't deny this squad is worse than either of those we've started the last two seasons with?
I don't mind denying that.
Here's our top 11 players from 2009/10 by games started...
Andrew Durante
Paul Ifill
Tony Lochhead
Tim Brown
Manny Muscat
Leo Bertos
Vince Lia
Chris Greenacre
Ben Sigmund
Jon McKain
Troy Hearfield
And here's our top 11 players from 2010/11 by games started...
Tim Brown
Manny Muscat
Ben Sigmund
Andrew Durante
Vince Lia
Troy Hearfield
Chris Greenacre
Paul Ifill
Jade North
Leo Bertos
Nick Ward
So basically you're saying we're worse off because we've lost Jon McKain, Troy Hearfield, Jade North and Nick Ward??
I'll give you Jon McKain but that's it. Every one of those other players is either no loss (North) or has been replaced by someone at least as good (Hearfield by Downey/Tsattalios and Ward by Pantelis).
The goalkeepers don't appear on those lists because Paston/Reddy and Paston/Vukovic all started a similar number of games.
I said SQUAD, not starting 11. It remains to be seen whether the players that have replaced those who have left are as good, or better. I have my doubts.
Additionally, don't forget that our good run last season coincided with the emergence of Rojas who assisted a huge majority of our goals during that spell. He's also gone and that's a major goal threat gone. He hasn't been replaced.
Hearfield had his moments and was useful to have in the squad. McAllister? Scored a few goals last season - not replaced. Vukovic and Reddy were both better than Paston. Warner is not better than either of them either IMO.
The depth of the squad is alarming whether the core of the previous seasons starting 11s are still there or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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I said SQUAD, not starting 11. It remains to be seen whether the players that have replaced those who have left are as good, or better. I have my doubts.
Additionally, don't forget that our good run last season coincided with the emergence of Rojas who assisted a huge majority of our goals during that spell. He's also gone and that's a major goal threat gone. He hasn't been replaced.
Hearfield had his moments and was useful to have in the squad. McAllister? Scored a few goals last season - not replaced. Vukovic and Reddy were both better than Paston. Warner is not better than either of them either IMO.
The depth of the squad is alarming whether the core of the previous seasons starting 11s are still there or not.
I'd agree with all this, up to the "alarming" bit
a couple more players to sign and in the circumstances if we can put together a middle of the table side i'd live with that this year, anything better I'd be quite pleased about
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Now all Terry has to do is let go of the reins, and let the rescue mission begin - of the club and the season (if it's not already too late to fill out the roster with some new, quality players).
Exactly why do you think Rob Morrison and 4 mates could sign players that Terry can't? The doom patrol have never, ever said why they think that the season is screwed under the current ownership. It seems to be this belief that "no-one good will sign with us while Terry is in control", which I'm sure makes Pantelis, Downey and Sanchez feel very good about themselves.
Also, as I keep saying - Terry will not let go of the reins short of bankruptcy, jail time or death. I reiterate my contention, moreover, that changing ownership now or at any time before the end of the season would be mindbogglingly stupid unless it really is a question of that or the end of the club.
Doloras2011-08-31 20:58:18
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Now all Terry has to do is let go of the reins,�and let the rescue mission�begin - of the club and the season (if it's not already too late to fill out the roster with some new, quality players).
says it like it is, good on you for constantly puting your neck on the chopping block against all the haters
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Goota be the best sports story in a long time.... not only because of how this helps the Nix ... but when I worked in NZ in the mid 80's [ 3.5 years], and on a number of business trips until the mid 90's ... to think football would get sort of support means football has progressed light years from when I was there...
Sunshine lollypops and lemon coated sugar drops... this is a remarkable day and everyone involved from Terry down needs a big pat on the back...
Now as others have said for mercy sake .. put the word in the street ... buy some season tickets...
Again congrats YF
Sunshine lollypops and lemon coated sugar drops... this is a remarkable day and everyone involved from Terry down needs a big pat on the back...
Now as others have said for mercy sake .. put the word in the street ... buy some season tickets...
Again congrats YF
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A question- is it concievable that people who are currently squeezing Terry's 'nads, will "allow" him to continue to leak money into the Phoenix, with what amounts to 'their' money? Surely if you are as over-extended as Terry reportedly is, luxuries like owning a football club won't figure very high in the priorities of those to whom Terry owes many millions?
An image- Five owners. Does anyone else have in mind the grainy old black and white films of
Joe Stalin or Mao and their Generals standing on a balcony waving to an 'adoring' crowd? Could look even funnier than Terry in his designer mac......
perhaps it's just me......
Hopefully (and whatever) we've finally found a solid finacial foundation, and the 'Nix can start to prosper in every way, not just on the pitch. Brilliant news I hope, and I did predict it after all 
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
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My bold prediction is that Terry will not be allowed to continue to leak money into the Phoenix by his creditors or the Court. Shortly he will not be the owner of the club or even involved.
Multiple ownership shouldn't be a problem, many of our most successful businesses are owned by multiple owners. Have a Board, employ a GM and away you go.
This is good news, if Terry falls over, we now have hope. Just remains to be seen if these investors will materialise or not. Seem to remember many on here having serious doubts the last time Morrison made mention of rescuers waiting in the wings, why the change? still no names.
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A question- is it concievable that people who are currently squeezing Terry's 'nads, will "allow" him to continue to leak money into the Phoenix, with what amounts to 'their' money? Surely if you are as over-extended as Terry reportedly is, luxuries like owning a football club won't figure very high in the priorities of those to whom Terry owes many millions?
An image- Five owners. Does anyone else have in mind the grainy old black and white films of
Joe Stalin or Mao and their Generals standing on a balcony waving to an 'adoring' crowd? Could look even funnier than Terry in his designer mac......
perhaps it's just me......
Hopefully (and whatever) we've finally found a solid finacial foundation, and the 'Nix can start to prosper in every way, not just on the pitch. Brilliant news I hope, and I did predict it after all
Exactly..... why do you think the club now has virtually no staff.... Can you imagine it.... Sorry your honor, I cant pay my mortgage(s) and tax this month, I need to pay the wages for my football team!
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So I take it that if Terry does cut a deal which enables him to keep backing up the Nix for this season at least, you guys will be angry and disappointed?
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No, I just think it is reality that he will not be able to fund the Phoenix to the tune of $1m (the figure he has repeatedly claimed) and the Nix as an organistaion must operate within its means... ie only spend what it earns.
I think Terry will continue for this year at least, but as an owner ... not a sugar daddy!
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Mehmet clearly has more pedigree than Sanchez and I'd definitely say he's a better player.
But we're arguing at cross-purposes. "Mehmet wasn't given a fair chance" is one argument. "Mehmet wasn't really let go, but ran away because of our dodgy owner" is a completely separate and opposite contention. Which are you arguing?
Anyway, Auckland will get much better once we get the CBD train stations and the semi-pedestrianisation of Queen Street sorted out. Auckland sucks but is getting better; Wellington is good but has been precisely that good for 20 years.
so we are not including the RoF built in '99 as a rise in Wellington goodness??
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My bold prediction is that Terry will not be allowed to continue to leak money into the Phoenix by his creditors or the Court. Shortly he will not be the owner of the club or even involved.
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Multiple ownership shouldn't be a problem, many of our most successful businesses are owned by multiple owners. Have a Board, employ a GM and away you go.
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This is good news, if Terry falls over, we now have hope. Just remains to be seen if these investors will materialise or not. Seem to remember many on here having serious doubts the last time Morrison made mention of rescuers waiting in the wings, why the change? still no names.
how quickly some people forget, some people cant wait to get terry out of here, even though all he done for the club, if he can keep running the club than id be more than happy with him continuing to do so
it is good news however that if terry finnaly cant pay one of his bills (before the coarts bankrupt him) we do have backup
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My bold prediction is that Terry will not be allowed to continue to leak money into the Phoenix by his creditors or the Court. Shortly he will not be the owner of the club or even involved.
Multiple ownership shouldn't be a problem, many of our most successful businesses are owned by multiple owners. Have a Board, employ a GM and away you go.
This is good news, if Terry falls over, we now have hope. Just remains to be seen if these investors will materialise or not. Seem to remember many on here having serious doubts the last time Morrison made mention of rescuers waiting in the wings, why the change? still no names.
as far as I am concerened just because statements are made stating that there are people waiting in the wings to ensure the Phoenix survive terry's financial woes currently are nothing more than just bullsh*t...who are these people? why no names? are they not able to to offer support to the club whilst terry is still running it? Terry Serepisos engineered the Phoenix...its his club..he bought professional football to Wellington and as such...he will get my full support until the time HE decides that he has either had enough or hands over the reins to A.N Other
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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A name. I think Rob Morrison is a very good name, although I wish I knew who the others in the Magnificent Five were, and whether any of them knows thing one about football. Imagine if we get new owners, and the first thing they do is sack Ifill.
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A name. I think Rob Morrison is a very good name, although I wish I knew who the others in the Magnificent Five were, and whether any of them knows thing one about football. Imagine if we get new owners, and the first thing they do is sack Ifill.
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A name. I think Rob Morrison is a very good name, although I wish I knew who the others in the Magnificent Five were, and whether any of them knows thing one about football. Imagine if we get new owners, and the first thing they do is sack Ifill.
A name is better than no names, though, isn't it? At least it gives what was a mysterious rumour a bit more credence, and if that means that there's now more certainty surrounding the club that can't be a bad thing.
As for the football knowledge of the owners of football clubs - how many of them actually know much about football? Around the world and here? That's not really an issue at all as far as I'm concerned - all it requires is that they find people who know a lot about football to run things for them (much as Terry did).
What is an issue though, is should this group at any point find themselves in charge of the Phoenix, is whether they would run and support the club with the same drive and passion that Terry runs it with. I think some people here underestimate the level of commitment that Terry has to the club, and that such level of commitment from an owner is by no means a given should we have to have a change of ownership at some point down the line.
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My bold prediction is that Terry will not be allowed to continue to leak money into the Phoenix by his creditors or the Court. Shortly he will not be the owner of the club or even involved.
Multiple ownership shouldn't be a problem, many of our most successful businesses are owned by multiple owners. Have a Board, employ a GM and away you go.
This is good news, if Terry falls over, we now have hope. Just remains to be seen if these investors will materialise or not. Seem to remember many on here having serious doubts the last time Morrison made mention of rescuers waiting in the wings, why the change? still no names.
as far as I am concerened just because statements are made stating that there are people waiting in the wings to ensure the Phoenix survive terry's financial woes currently are nothing more than just bullsh*t...who are these people? why no names? are they not able to to offer support to the club whilst terry is still running it? Terry Serepisos engineered the Phoenix...its his club..he bought professional football to Wellington and as such...he will get my full support until the time HE decides that he has either had enough or hands over the reins to A.N Other
Because, like it or not, people are bloody wary of Terry and the predicament he is in, and would be unwilliing to invest in Terry House of Cards
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I'm assured that all five names are names we'd like to see involved with the Phoenix, my sauce wouldn't name them though.
Rob Morrison
Dick Taylor
Michael Laws
Murray Deaker
Eric Young
(outsider: Hamish Mackay)
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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What is an issue though, is should this group at any point find themselves in charge of the Phoenix, is whether they would run and support the club with the same drive and passion that Terry runs it with. I think some people here underestimate the level of commitment that Terry has to the club, and that such level of commitment from an owner is by no means a given should we have to have a change of ownership at some point down the line.
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and Adam Parore.
Would be great even if we get to a point where Terry has to opt out because of his financial situation that he had some position like honorary President or something like that....some ongoing role/title in the club even if it is only that and an option to buy back in for a share iif he wants to and is able to...
Would be great even if we get to a point where Terry has to opt out because of his financial situation that he had some position like honorary President or something like that....some ongoing role/title in the club even if it is only that and an option to buy back in for a share iif he wants to and is able to...
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What is an issue though, is should this group at any point find themselves in charge of the Phoenix, is whether they would run and support the club with the same drive and passion that Terry runs it with. I think some people here underestimate the level of commitment that Terry has to the club, and that such level of commitment from an owner is by no means a given should we have to have a change of ownership at some point down the line.
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Rob Morrison
Arthur Daley
Del Boy
Nick the Greek / Rory Breaker (partnership)
Elmo McElroy / Felix DeSouza (partnership)
Harry 'loads a money' Enfield
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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Rob Morrison
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Arthur Daley
Del Boy
Nick the Greek / Rory Breaker (partnership)
Elmo McElroy / Felix DeSouza (partnership)
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Not sure how his "Significant Other" would go mingling amongst the WAGs!
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So I take it that if Terry does cut a deal which enables him to keep backing up the Nix for this season at least, you guys will be angry and disappointed?
Why do you take it like that? I would love to see Terry stay where he is with the Phoenix (he SO deserves to for what he's done for NZ football), but pragmatically I really can't see how people he owes millions to will "allow" him to keep pouring money into the club whilst they sit there whistling. If a builder who owed me money was seen renewing his ownership at the local golf club how do you think I'd feel? Or anybody else?
Perhaps a new poem is needed at this point.....
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
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My bold prediction is that Terry will not be allowed to continue to leak money into the Phoenix by his creditors or the Court. Shortly he will not be the owner of the club or even involved.
Multiple ownership shouldn't be a problem, many of our most successful businesses are owned by multiple owners. Have a Board, employ a GM and away you go.
This is good news, if Terry falls over, we now have hope. Just remains to be seen if these investors will materialise or not. Seem to remember many on here having serious doubts the last time Morrison made mention of rescuers waiting in the wings, why the change? still no names.
as far as I am concerened just because statements are made stating that there are people waiting in the wings to ensure the Phoenix survive terry's financial woes currently are nothing more than just bullsh*t...who are these people? why no names? are they not able to to offer support to the club whilst terry is still running it? Terry Serepisos engineered the Phoenix...its his club..he bought professional football to Wellington and as such...he will get my full support until the time HE decides that he has either had enough or hands over the reins to A.N Other
Because, like it or not, people are bloody wary of Terry and the predicament he is in, and would be unwilliing to invest in Terry House of Cards
wouldnt have to invest in'terrys house of cards' his business dealings are his own...surely as businessmen themselves they could seperate their investemnt to just the football club...
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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What is an issue though, is should this group at any point find themselves in charge of the Phoenix, is whether they would run and support the club with the same drive and passion that Terry runs it with. I think some people here underestimate the level of commitment that Terry has to the club, and that such level of commitment from an owner is by no means a given should we have to have a change of ownership at some point down the line.
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I actually feel quite sad at the idea of Terry Serepisos not being involved in the Phoenix and I still hope it doesn't come to that.
While it's great news to hear that there seems to be a safety net in place, I am also feeling quite cynical about the timing of this announcement and the impact it will have on Terry's chances of stitching up a deal with his creditors.
As others have alluded to I think that his creditors are now much more likely to play hard-ball and say to Terry "no way are we doing a deal with you while you are still under-writing the Phoenix" because they will take the view that he now has no reason to do that (they probably would have taken that view anyway, of course!).
As El Grap points out being a good owner is not just about the money. I know that the doom-merchants have been crying out for certainty through all of this but getting rid of Terry and becoming owned by John Morrision's mysterious "coalition of the willing" feels like an even bigger leap into the unknown to me.
Maybe when I've heard the other names and they've made their first marquee signing I'll feel better.
In the meantime, all the best Terry, I hope you can pull this off.
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