Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

I believe Lower Hutt May be paying an acadamey coach for his time?

So Chris Greenacre is partly employed by the Phoenix, partly by the academy and his academy wages are covered by the gambling money? Isn’t that the exact point, gambling money is subsidising the academy (within the rules I’m sure, but doesn’t feel quite right). 

but its within the rules, so why is there a news story about it?

that the rules need looked at is a different issue and it effects everyone

have they looked at how the NZ Racing Board that has a monopoly on betting outlets in NZ through the TAB have their own trust which allows them to spend a considerably amount on their own activities?

How many sports clubs, not just the Phoenix, have got some sort of thing going with the trusts - if you look at the lists published by the trusts of who gets grants, rugby is by far and away the biggest benefactor - why do we never see any stories about rugby clubs and pokie money?

The rules may not "feel quite right" but they are the rules that all clubs (and beneficeries of grants) have to play by, they are a lot stricter than they used to be, you generally have to show that the money you were granted was used for the purpose you said it was and if you can't you have to repay it

Blew you have a conflict of interest here- and it sounds like your naivety has contributed to this

I've been on about ACFC for years doing this so its only fair Welnix get paid out as well

My first emotion once I had finished reading the article was that it came across to me like a well researched piece and asked some good questions. Whether Hyslop or his editor picked his moment to go to press is neither here nor there really. If it comes out next week, next month, its still a good 'news story' and the 4th estate make money out of selling news and holding other entities to account so its all fair. This piece is no different. It may have been done now as a big 'fudge you' to Rob after the Rudan presser but this article was obviously not contructed in the last week so I really don't care if it was timed this way or not. The Phoenix could have helped themselves a little by having a better relationship with the media but I'm not suggesting that the story should have been buried. That relationship may have allowed them to come across better in the article but there are a lot of ifs and maybes with that assumption.

It also became apparent that Dome is hiding something by the nature of his answers. To me, he is central to a lot of the stuff at the Phoenix that does not work how it should or goes wrong and this just looks to me like another black mark against him. I know people will say he is GM and not CEO and Rob and football committee will have some involvement around this blah blah blah but he is the head honcho and sets the tone for the organisation.

I am not comfortable with what the Phoenix are doing in this space regardless of how much it is playing by the rules and does benefit the player development system in NZ purely because they are not an amateur outfit. They also can't cry about how much they invest in the academy and how much NZF do not support them when they themselves are effectively funding it via poker machine money. They may well invest in it but its clear that its nowhere near to the level they claim.

Someone quoted Dome a while back which if a correct quote would mean he has been very economical with the facts in this matter

And when we are talking about tens or hundreds of thousands (not the sprinkle on the bread)  of course he knew 

Welnix have done nothing wrong, just a witch hunt.

442 click bait on team numbers

Lucas Radbourne-Pugh has tried to make out there is a difference in their statements, but there is none.

"The APFCA believes that it is essential that the 10-team A-League expands in a strategic and sustainable way, as quickly as possible," the statement said.

"Ultimately, the ambition must be to expand to numbers that will allow for a season based only on home-and-away fixtures.

"Such a schedule will require at least 14 participating clubs and optimally 16. The benefits of achieving a home-and-away fixture schedule are clearly evidenced by existing leagues around the world. "

That says not a word in support of the "demanding the League A League is expanded to 14 teams" claims at the top of the article. "Ultimately, the ambition must be to expand" is noway, nowhere a DEMAND.

wrong thread? on the beer again? or one day you will reveal the master plan that you have been relaying to us in code on this board that none of us know yet? :-)

Simply wrong thread

There was NO COVFEFE, NONE, with the pokie trusts! And I can pardon myself if there was. 

https://www.wellingtonphoenix.com/news/pfcas-forma...

This is important:

"It is vital that there is no cannibalisation of existing markets in the process of expansion."

I prefer the sentence before it! 

"It is imperative that the value of existing licences are protected and enhanced by any expansion, including the licence of Wellington Phoenix, a club that has the full support of the APFCA membership." 

Things don't seem as dark as they did 3 weeks ago. Strong coach appointment, strong APFCA statement, farken fire up! 

#GetInBehindDog  ????⚽️?

And a strong statement from Rob, all adds up to a new ballsy attitude for next season!

I chuckled.

Sad!

More news of the positive kind

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/o-rourke-talks-up-future-of-troubled-phoenix

Guys, this feels weird. Are we supposed to hope for a better future again?

“We need them to be successful and they have our support for the next two years,” O’Rourke told The World Game.

Well Gareth isn't doing WelNix fan engagement any favours on twitter.

Devils Advocate

Gareth has always been controversial when it comes to politics and the economy. 

I think the linking to his Phoenix funding (Not even sure he is still classed as an owner)

to his comments is was what got him going at Patrick.      But when you look at historical 

government data on the value (theoretical) of life. This response to corona (needed in my opinion)

takes it to a whole new level.  I think I read if the Govt did not take the action it did the 

modelling showed 2-4000 deaths.  I can't do the maths but is 9 billion to save 3800 lives?

Road, cancer and other preventable deaths are not given the same Life to Dollar ratio.

Sent to me by a Labour supporting Nurse working through this

It's not about the number of deaths alone, but the widespread paralysis of the health system and the inevitable economic fallout if the virus is unchecked (or at least not mitigated significantly). And all other preventable deaths would rise in such a scenario as the stress on the health system is too much (and this has already been evident in places like Italy and Spain).

Controversial is a nice way of putting it - his rants on Twitter regarding the lockdown are Trump-esque. If he was PM we'd be facing numbers of deaths @ 3-4k

She didn't call Nurse Jenny, she sent her a facebook message, and it would have been political point scoring if Jacinda brought it up but the question was asked of her.

Cos the PM has time to call all the nurses working right now!?

Lets hope she do's the same for NZ ICU nurses at the next pay round.

As was tweeted here:

https://twitter.com/Economissive/status/1249205593...

Gareth Morgan was calling for a month long level 4 lockdown when we had 11 cases per day, now that we have 18 cases per day suddenly we should be opening up. He's nothing if not inconsistent.

Yeah, in the space of about an hour he'd congratulated Labour for the lockdown and then criticised them for running the economy.

Of course she's not going to do that but whenever an ICU nurse (or anytone else) does something to get her attention I'm sure she will. She thanks ICU staff and essential workers regularly and you would have to admit that saving the life of a world leader is noteworthy. I also wouldn't be surprised that as soon as it's safe she'll visit the most impacted hospitals in NZ to say thank you in person. A face book message saying thanks for saving the life of someone that Jacinda knows and is quite important right now is a funny thing to try and politicise.

But, regardless of the economy, calling fans wankers isn't the best form of community outreach. I remember hearing an interview on the radio with him a while ago where he said he's a reluctant owner of the Phoenix, so that original passion with clipboards and total football has well and truly worn out.

They worrying thing is if anyone in WelNix get into financial strife during the upcoming recession, and some of their investments include petroleum and airports which will be down, then it's going to be hard to find a replacement. If there were people biting at the bit to be involved surely Gareth would have sold up aoread6 with his apparent lack of interest in the club or fans. The fact that he's still involved tells me there's not much additional investment out there right now.

There is a bit of a difference between Jacinda's social message (responding to a globalised praise of Nurse Jenny by Boris Johnson) vs her institutional responsibility (of sorts, as a head of government) towards all our nurses. She has to do both. One does not exclude the other. But the first one costs her nothing, the other one is a team effort and it costs money.  

You might have also heard her publicly telling off DHBs on the news this morning for DHBs not paying wage suport to nurses on casual contracts:  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/414164/covid-19-publicly-funded-workers-ineligible-for-subsidy-should-continue-to-be-paid-pm

Gareth and Rob are still the two standing directors of Welnix,

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/...

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/3522632/shareholdings

which is solely owned and operated by Rob.

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/3522631/directors

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/3522631/shareholdings

not sure how that translates into $$ but in simple terms it would suggest that Gareth is not as financially involved with the Nix anymore.

mods - keep it Nix pls

I think it's a limited partnership with Investnix and ultimately Rob being the general partner. As the general partner (despite WelNix being called GP) is the only one that matters in a Limited Partnership the limited partners don't have to be visible (I think, it's been a while).

I'm sure there's an accountant on here that can correct me but I don't think that this necessarily reflects the actual shareholding.

She has continually thanked all those essential workers, you could ask the media why they don't focus on individual nurses and praise them up. Seems people just like to try and criticize her for just about anything, think she and those around her have done a pretty good job given what was in front of them.

Seems there are plenty of people wanting to jump on the they went to hard bandwagon because not enough people have died. Guessing those same people would be screaming loudest if the death numbers had got to some of the projected levels.

Some just plain don't like her and use any small thing to have a go.

If Jacinda walked on water, there'd be a bunch of people here going 'yeah nah, that's because she can't swim'.