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Phoenix Transfer Speculation 2012/13

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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

isn't that player Stein? from what i've seen he prefers the ball to feet instead of the high crosses, and the couple of times he's received this he looked dangerous.

 

I would've said so, yes.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 13 years ago

so rather than spending mroe money on another player, excluding the midfielders that can make that pass to feet a viable option, lets just change the way we get the ball to our stikers.

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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

so rather than spending mroe money on another player, excluding the midfielders that can make that pass to feet a viable option, lets just change the way we get the ball to our stikers.

Pretty simple really, huh?

If we had the midfield players to do it

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 13 years ago

SurgeQld wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

Even if Fallon or Killen didn't start, I just think they offer something neither of our current crop do. We are so useless when balls come into the box.

Maybe we need to stop playing that style then instead of trying to find players who match it.

Thats a good idea.

Perhaps we could sign a striker with good pedigree and experience who's much more adept at playing the ball on the ground.

Luis Corrales comes to mind and he's now back in Wellington. Give him another chance, he's certainly better than Totori.

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about 13 years ago

Jag wrote:

theprof wrote:

so rather than spending mroe money on another player, excluding the midfielders that can make that pass to feet a viable option, lets just change the way we get the ball to our stikers.

Pretty simple really, huh?

If we had the midfield players to do it

yeah if only

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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

isn't that player Stein? from what i've seen he prefers the ball to feet instead of the high crosses, and the couple of times he's received this he looked dangerous.

Bazinga.

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about 13 years ago

To be honest I'd rather Smeltz over Fallon/Killen any day of the week.

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about 13 years ago

Smeltz does have the benefit of an excellent scoring record.

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about 13 years ago


He would be the more expensive of the three you'd assume. Isn't he off contract next season?

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about 13 years ago

Luis Garcia wrote:


He would be the more expensive of the three you'd assume. Isn't he off contract next season?

1 more season. And looks like his contract is in the region of 700k a year.

Tony Sage, when he sacked Ferguson:

"He had the full support of finances. He assembled his squad by June 30. That squad cost $3.2 million. The salary cap is $2.5 million, so I can't understand a comment like that.

"I take that as a slight on the club. We are $700,000 more. If you go to at least five clubs, they pay underneath the salary cap, and we were $700,000 over the salary cap.


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about 13 years ago

I think playing the ball to the feet of any strikers has been non existent since day 1. It's either the big hoof ball or down the wings with various quality crosses - usually poor ones. Sorry, but that's what I believe is an honest comment 5'8" strikers trying to out jump 6'4" defenders so to speak.

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about 13 years ago

Not saying we should have signed him coz all thats all water under the bridge now but Caravella looks to have matured into quite a handy footballer. He was easily man of the match a couple of weeks ago when I watched him playing for the Jets and he looked classy against  us for 25 mins until he got munted by Brockie.

That kind of player would be handy for us in midfield. Someone who can play the short and long passes well with either feet. He was dropping deep to pick the ball up from the defenders and then distributing it before moving forward and linking up with the attackers around the box. Always l;ooked to have lots of time on the ball which is always a sign of a good player.

That sort of player could provide the link up to Hernandez. I actually don't think we are currently too far off whats required to get a good squad. If we can keep Gamiero, get a couple of quality midfielders, move Muscat back to RB and get a quick LB then we are nearly there. To me we are short of about three quality players....the rest of the starting 11 is of OK A-League standard. Its all about getting those right recruits and especially getting a coach who can get the best out of them.

People have been bagging Stein and Fenton and Boyd but IMO if you get the right support players and get the tactics right then they will very good for us.

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about 13 years ago

austin10 wrote:

Not saying we should have signed him coz all thats all water under the bridge now but Caravella looks to have matured into quite a handy footballer. He was easily man of the match a couple of weeks ago when I watched him playing for the Jets and he looked classy against  us for 25 mins until he got munted by Brockie.

That kind of player would be handy for us in midfield. Someone who can play the short and long passes well with either feet. He was dropping deep to pick the ball up from the defenders and then distributing it before moving forward and linking up with the attackers around the box. Always l;ooked to have lots of time on the ball which is always a sign of a good player.

That sort of player could provide the link up to Hernandez. I actually don't think we are currently too far off whats required to get a good squad. If we can keep Gamiero, get a couple of quality midfielders, move Muscat back to RB and get a quick LB then we are nearly there. To me we are short of about three quality players....the rest of the starting 11 is of OK A-League standard. Its all about getting those right recruits and especially getting a coach who can get the best out of them.

People have been bagging Stein and Fenton and Boyd but IMO if you get the right support players and get the tactics right then they will very good for us.


Fenton and Boyd are definitely ones for the future and the touches thus far have been pretty good considering it is their debut season at the top level. Total respect to them because even though they have been getting shoved around by A League "old hands', they have gotten up and kept on trying. Stein started off with a hiss and a roar and again is it his fault we've been aerial balling everything? Play to his feet and you get a different player and a decent one. I'm disappointed that these three have received some negative attention as they have been three of the bighter lights this season. Fenton & Boyd in two seasons are going to be the players we will build an entire team around.
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about 13 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Not saying we should have signed him coz all thats all water under the bridge now but Caravella looks to have matured into quite a handy footballer. He was easily man of the match a couple of weeks ago when I watched him playing for the Jets and he looked classy against  us for 25 mins until he got munted by Brockie.

That kind of player would be handy for us in midfield. Someone who can play the short and long passes well with either feet. He was dropping deep to pick the ball up from the defenders and then distributing it before moving forward and linking up with the attackers around the box. Always l;ooked to have lots of time on the ball which is always a sign of a good player.

That sort of player could provide the link up to Hernandez. I actually don't think we are currently too far off whats required to get a good squad. If we can keep Gamiero, get a couple of quality midfielders, move Muscat back to RB and get a quick LB then we are nearly there. To me we are short of about three quality players....the rest of the starting 11 is of OK A-League standard. Its all about getting those right recruits and especially getting a coach who can get the best out of them.

People have been bagging Stein and Fenton and Boyd but IMO if you get the right support players and get the tactics right then they will very good for us.


Fenton and Boyd are definitely ones for the future and the touches thus far have been pretty good considering it is their debut season at the top level. Total respect to them because even though they have been getting shoved around by A League "old hands', they have gotten up and kept on trying. Stein started off with a hiss and a roar and again is it his fault we've been aerial balling everything? Play to his feet and you get a different player and a decent one. I'm disappointed that these three have received some negative attention as they have been three of the bighter lights this season. Fenton & Boyd in two seasons are going to be the players we will build an entire team around.
 


i dont think boyd will last TBH. Fenton definitely.


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about 13 years ago

I think Boyd with some gym work to give him body strength could well be a success. He hasn't really been played to his strengths either, Like Stein.

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about 13 years ago

or given much chance playing as a central striker (his natural position)


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about 13 years ago

Boyd is just out of highschool FFS....he started the season as a 17 year old. The A-League is a rough tough place and especially so for a youngster. He came in with only 9 ASB Prem games under his belt. The problem for kids like Boyd is it takes quite a while to build up the stamina and endurance to train and play on a fulltime basis. Boyd has shown flashes of absolute brilliance(outstanding in the CCM game where Arnold acknowledged his ability) I feel sorry for both Fenton and Boyd.....both bright young talent who have come into a disfunctional setup and a team thats getting its arse kicked every week. If handled properly Boyd will be a very good player in a couple of years time.

Cut the kid some slack

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about 13 years ago

austin10 wrote:

Boyd is just out of highschool FFS....he started the season as a 17 year old. The A-League is a rough tough place and especially so for a youngster. He came in with only 9 ASB Prem games under his belt. The problem for kids like Boyd is it takes quite a while to build up the stamina and endurance to train and play on a fulltime basis. Boyd has shown flashes of absolute brilliance(outstanding in the CCM game where Arnold acknowledged his ability) I feel sorry for both Fenton and Boyd.....both bright young talent who have come into a disfunctional setup and a team thats getting its arse kicked every week. If handled properly Boyd will be a very good player in a couple of years time.

Cut the kid some slack


Agree 100%.


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about 13 years ago

Who's bagging him? Certainly not me.

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about 13 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Smeltz does have the benefit of an excellent scoring record.


and a wife that doesn't want to live in wellington - he'll never come back too whipped

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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Smeltz does have the benefit of an excellent scoring record.


and a wife that doesn't want to live in wellington - he'll never come back too whipped


True, and also has spent most of his life in Australia.

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about 13 years ago

 Re: Boyd & Fenton

I've been more impressed by Boyd, than Fenton. Often when he gets the ball, it does feel like something will happen. Hopefully in a couple seasons, he will have the impact Marco had.

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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:
and a wife that doesn't want to live in wellington - he'll never come back too whipped


He was set to come back here when he signed for Perth but Terry's meltdown sent him West.

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

theprof wrote:
and a wife that doesn't want to live in wellington - he'll never come back too whipped


He was set to come back here when he signed for Perth but Terry's meltdown sent him West.


Interesting. I'm guessing our calamitous management at the moment isn't exactly making him want to come back, either.

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about 13 years ago

Blast from the past, Rob Earnshaw has signed for Nelsen in Toronto

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about 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Boyd is just out of highschool FFS....he started the season as a 17 year old. The A-League is a rough tough place and especially so for a youngster. He came in with only 9 ASB Prem games under his belt. The problem for kids like Boyd is it takes quite a while to build up the stamina and endurance to train and play on a fulltime basis. Boyd has shown flashes of absolute brilliance(outstanding in the CCM game where Arnold acknowledged his ability) I feel sorry for both Fenton and Boyd.....both bright young talent who have come into a disfunctional setup and a team thats getting its arse kicked every week. If handled properly Boyd will be a very good player in a couple of years time.

Cut the kid some slack


Agree 100%.



Yep, he & fenton and IMO hogg = the future. The guys will get better, it's a given. Hogg especially should now play out the season. The loch is a known quantity, let the young chap have a sustained shot, knowing he has 4 games to take the load off a little.
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about 13 years ago

 Agree with that above,seem to recall many people moaning that Costa and Marco were never a chance .They got their first chances with us then went on to develop considerably and wasnt it in both their 3rd seasons that they really started to show something.(i stand to be corrected on this).Think Fenton and Boyd have been used a lot more this season than was maybe intended at the start.I for one  think its to early to be calling it either way,give them the same amount of time as the other two got then maybe it will be fair to pass judgement on them.


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Groff wrote:

terminator_x wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Boyd is just out of highschool FFS....he started the season as a 17 year old. The A-League is a rough tough place and especially so for a youngster. He came in with only 9 ASB Prem games under his belt. The problem for kids like Boyd is it takes quite a while to build up the stamina and endurance to train and play on a fulltime basis. Boyd has shown flashes of absolute brilliance(outstanding in the CCM game where Arnold acknowledged his ability) I feel sorry for both Fenton and Boyd.....both bright young talent who have come into a disfunctional setup and a team thats getting its arse kicked every week. If handled properly Boyd will be a very good player in a couple of years time.

Cut the kid some slack


Agree 100%.



Yep, he & fenton and IMO hogg = the future. The guys will get better, it's a given. Hogg especially should now play out the season. The loch is a known quantity, let the young chap have a sustained shot, knowing he has 4 games to take the load off a little.

Couldn't agree more - they are the future. Fear an out-of-contract Hogg may move on if he can't get more game time to prove himself, so I hope he's used in the remaining games of this season. I think Boyd has shown flashes of real quality potential, especially as he's still so young. Hope some more young Kiwis are given a chance under new management.

Odd co-incident that Ricki took over at the fading Knights with five games to go and left a struggling Phoenix with five games to go. 

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about 13 years ago

I see that Clapham has been awarded ASBP footballer of the month for a stellar February and could well win the Golden Boot. Surely deserving of at least a trial by the new Phoenix coach don't you think?

Also see ACFC's Spanish coach has publicly thrown his hat in the ring to replace Ricki. I think he's off contract at City in May. What are his chances do you think?

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about 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

I see that Clapham has been awarded ASBP footballer of the month for a stellar February and could well win the Golden Boot. Surely deserving of at least a trial by the new Phoenix coach don't you think?

Also see ACFC's Spanish coach has publicly thrown his hat in the ring to replace Ricki. I think he's off contract at City in May. What are his chances do you think?

Minimal. They will go for one of the A League coaches out of work, or one of the current A League assistants, or Oz youth team coaches (Okon). There will be foreign interest, but huge risk attached there, and will be aware of the dismal track record foreign coaches have in A League.  

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about 13 years ago

What do people think of Cam Lyndsays future at the Nix?  Only got a couple of half games to do his stuff and did not exactly shine...but he wasn't crap either. Considering how honking Lia was last match would Lyndsay be any worse? IMO part of the problem at the Nix is guys can put in a shit performance and they know they will get picked again next week. Would it really hurt the team if Cam was told " OK son,  you start the next two games, no pressure, see what you can do" . If Lyndsay got a couple of starts before the end of the season at least the club would get a better understanding of whether he can cut it this level because IMO he has not had a fair shot.....tough to make an impression with only 2 shots off the bench in two years.

There is a possibility that Lyndsay might have a future at the club....I can't say the same about Lia even though he still has a year on his contract.

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about 13 years ago

austin10 wrote:

What do people think of Cam Lyndsays future at the Nix?  Only got a couple of half games to do his stuff and did not exactly shine...but he wasn't crap either. Considering how honking Lia was last match would Lyndsay be any worse? IMO part of the problem at the Nix is guys can put in a shit performance and they know they will get picked again next week. Would it really hurt the team if Cam was told " OK son,  you start the next two games, no pressure, see what you can do" . If Lyndsay got a couple of starts before the end of the season at least the club would get a better understanding of whether he can cut it this level because IMO he has not had a fair shot.....tough to make an impression with only 2 shots off the bench in two years.

There is a possibility that Lyndsay might have a future at the club....I can't say the same about Lia even though he still has a year on his contract.


To be honest, I can barely remember him being on the pitch! I think you're right though and I said something similar about Hogg above, less pressure knowing you're gonna get a couple of starts, go make an impression. What I didn't think about last night though is Greenie is only in charge for 4 more too and probably doesn't see it that way. He'll want gutsy wins to salvage some pride and I can't really fault him for that so I don't see it happening.
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about 13 years ago

austin10 wrote:

What do people think of Cam Lyndsays future at the Nix?  Only got a couple of half games to do his stuff and did not exactly shine...but he wasn't crap either. Considering how honking Lia was last match would Lyndsay be any worse? IMO part of the problem at the Nix is guys can put in a shit performance and they know they will get picked again next week. Would it really hurt the team if Cam was told " OK son,  you start the next two games, no pressure, see what you can do" . If Lyndsay got a couple of starts before the end of the season at least the club would get a better understanding of whether he can cut it this level because IMO he has not had a fair shot.....tough to make an impression with only 2 shots off the bench in two years.

There is a possibility that Lyndsay might have a future at the club....I can't say the same about Lia even though he still has a year on his contract.



It's not like the reason that he hasn't been picked is purely based on training though. He's played in all (or almost all) of the Phoenix 'A' team matches so the coaches must've had a good look at him. The majority of this season our central midfielders have been pretty bloody bad so you would assume that if Lindsay was good enough he would've been given a shot by now. I saw him playing Canterbury United earlier in the year and to be honest, he wasn't great.
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about 13 years ago

Groff wrote:

austin10 wrote:

What do people think of Cam Lyndsays future at the Nix?  Only got a couple of half games to do his stuff and did not exactly shine...but he wasn't crap either. Considering how honking Lia was last match would Lyndsay be any worse? IMO part of the problem at the Nix is guys can put in a shit performance and they know they will get picked again next week. Would it really hurt the team if Cam was told " OK son,  you start the next two games, no pressure, see what you can do" . If Lyndsay got a couple of starts before the end of the season at least the club would get a better understanding of whether he can cut it this level because IMO he has not had a fair shot.....tough to make an impression with only 2 shots off the bench in two years.

There is a possibility that Lyndsay might have a future at the club....I can't say the same about Lia even though he still has a year on his contract.


To be honest, I can barely remember him being on the pitch! I think you're right though and I said something similar about Hogg above, less pressure knowing you're gonna get a couple of starts, go make an impression. What I didn't think about last night though is Greenie is only in charge for 4 more too and probably doesn't see it that way. He'll want gutsy wins to salvage some pride and I can't really fault him for that so I don't see it happening.


Greenie's been coaching him all year in the Phoenix 'A' team, he'll know if Cam is up to it or not.
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about 13 years ago

Yeah fair enough.

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about 13 years ago

Sackofspuds wrote:

Groff wrote:

austin10 wrote:

What do people think of Cam Lyndsays future at the Nix?  Only got a couple of half games to do his stuff and did not exactly shine...but he wasn't crap either. Considering how honking Lia was last match would Lyndsay be any worse? IMO part of the problem at the Nix is guys can put in a shit performance and they know they will get picked again next week. Would it really hurt the team if Cam was told " OK son,  you start the next two games, no pressure, see what you can do" . If Lyndsay got a couple of starts before the end of the season at least the club would get a better understanding of whether he can cut it this level because IMO he has not had a fair shot.....tough to make an impression with only 2 shots off the bench in two years.

There is a possibility that Lyndsay might have a future at the club....I can't say the same about Lia even though he still has a year on his contract.


To be honest, I can barely remember him being on the pitch! I think you're right though and I said something similar about Hogg above, less pressure knowing you're gonna get a couple of starts, go make an impression. What I didn't think about last night though is Greenie is only in charge for 4 more too and probably doesn't see it that way. He'll want gutsy wins to salvage some pride and I can't really fault him for that so I don't see it happening.


Greenie's been coaching him all year in the Phoenix 'A' team, he'll know if Cam is up to it or not.


Ricki called him the future of the club but never gave him a fair shake


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about 13 years ago

Luis Garcia wrote:

Even if Fallon or Killen didn't start, I just think they offer something neither of our current crop do. We are so useless when balls come into the box.



=========================> winner (though maybe the train has sailed)

and I don't think without Broich et al we can make a dramatic change to our style. Players don't become technically gifted over night. They can develop better understandings and know where each other will be, but McG or Broich are the kind of players needed to play that style. Do be fair- Kiwis and Aussies appreciate teams who are physical- if only we could learn to hold possession like CCM do also!


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about 13 years ago

dunnix wrote:

Blast from the past, Rob Earnshaw has signed for Nelsen in Toronto

How is this a blast from the past when it was one forum member barrelling on about his name ala bobo shyte from Scottishchild.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Sackofspuds wrote:

Groff wrote:

austin10 wrote:

What do people think of Cam Lyndsays future at the Nix?  Only got a couple of half games to do his stuff and did not exactly shine...but he wasn't crap either. Considering how honking Lia was last match would Lyndsay be any worse? IMO part of the problem at the Nix is guys can put in a shit performance and they know they will get picked again next week. Would it really hurt the team if Cam was told " OK son,  you start the next two games, no pressure, see what you can do" . If Lyndsay got a couple of starts before the end of the season at least the club would get a better understanding of whether he can cut it this level because IMO he has not had a fair shot.....tough to make an impression with only 2 shots off the bench in two years.

There is a possibility that Lyndsay might have a future at the club....I can't say the same about Lia even though he still has a year on his contract.


To be honest, I can barely remember him being on the pitch! I think you're right though and I said something similar about Hogg above, less pressure knowing you're gonna get a couple of starts, go make an impression. What I didn't think about last night though is Greenie is only in charge for 4 more too and probably doesn't see it that way. He'll want gutsy wins to salvage some pride and I can't really fault him for that so I don't see it happening.


Greenie's been coaching him all year in the Phoenix 'A' team, he'll know if Cam is up to it or not.
The oil I read in here last week is that the academy is more Gould. I think EL G was saying...

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