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about 13 years ago

 Repost from the Corey Gameiro thread and attacks the negativity around this signing:


Yeah I have no issue with Gameiro signing.

Lets be rehash the general feeling - we are playing like shit, and the off field gives the appearance as being as bad as the on field. He has not committed funds to tis player for next year (and if he was signed next year and turned out to be a dud like Totori, Chen, George etc Ricki would get caned) and gets 3 months to see if this kid can play.

What else can he do? The squad ain't playing, he is bringing in players. If the kid fails, what has he lost? The last 6 rounds of a shit season? This is exactly what the club should be doing. At the very least, Cernak and Hogg whom are on similar deals, are starting and not looking out of place.

General fan negativity for the sake of being continuously negative. Eat a dick.

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about 13 years ago

 BS people are allowed there opinions just as you are able to express yours.No indication there is a possibility it could extend to next season if things work out or not from what i have seen.

Will be good if things work out that we do get to sign them.Then again could well be we just give them a window to to show there stuff and go join a decent squad.(winking smilie)


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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

 Repost from the Corey Gameiro thread and attacks the negativity around this signing:


Yeah I have no issue with Gameiro signing.

Lets be rehash the general feeling - we are playing like shit, and the off field gives the appearance as being as bad as the on field. He has not committed funds to tis player for next year (and if he was signed next year and turned out to be a dud like Totori, Chen, George etc Ricki would get caned) and gets 3 months to see if this kid can play.

What else can he do? The squad ain't playing, he is bringing in players. If the kid fails, what has he lost? The last 6 rounds of a shit season? This is exactly what the club should be doing. At the very least, Cernak and Hogg whom are on similar deals, are starting and not looking out of place.

General fan negativity for the sake of being continuously negative. Eat a dick.


Hang on Jeff, the positive responses in the two threads far outweigh the negatives. I performed a stringent statistical analysis! Aren't you being negative about about so-called negativity for the sake of being continuously negative?
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about 13 years ago

ballane wrote:

 BS people are allowed there opinions just as you are able to express yours.No indication there is a possibility it could extend to next season if things work out or not from what i have seen.

Will be good if things work out that we do get to sign them.Then again could well be we just give them a window to to show there stuff and go join a decent squad.(winking smilie)

You are very correct people are allowed their opinion. Most of those people sit in the "this club is shit/Gareth should fuck up/Ricki should go/imports are shit/can't recruit/can't play/total football/it's all Lochheads fault" camp (did I mss any?) yet the club do something to try make a difference and its bagged.

People harp on about wanting changes or just something to show some life about the club and when it happens, it gets bagged. Hence my comment of general fan negativity for the sake of it. If this kid can't play, who actually cares over 6 rounds of a shit season?? He just disappears but at least we can say 'he doesn't cut it'. If he comes in, slots a few, wins games, we makes the playoffs and we sign him, then we have found something out of nothing. Nothing to lose at all but that's not good enough for a few people because then they can't be right about about their own negativity. 

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about 13 years ago

Damned if you do and damned if you don't. The club can only sign players who want to come here and who are on the market. If this works out great, if not so be it.

Signing a strong midfielder would have been great but if none want to come and play for the nix , not much the club can do about it.

Just hope we sign players for next season who a:are good enough and b:who suit our style of play.

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

ballane wrote:

 BS people are allowed there opinions just as you are able to express yours.No indication there is a possibility it could extend to next season if things work out or not from what i have seen.

Will be good if things work out that we do get to sign them.Then again could well be we just give them a window to to show there stuff and go join a decent squad.(winking smilie)

You are very correct people are allowed their opinion. Most of those people sit in the "this club is shit/Gareth should fuck up/Ricki should go/imports are shit/can't recruit/can't play/total football/it's all Lochheads fault" camp (did I mss any?)

 

You forgot "Paston is shit, Moss needs to start" :)

I'm not one of those people.

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about 13 years ago

come on guys, i don't think anyone is saying that the same players, and the coach that have been ok for the last how many years are all suddenly shit

most of the 'negative' comes attached with good reasoning and clear explanations

things are not ok at the club and in the team.  you cannot expect the forums to be like Disneyland right now

the 'though shalt not criticise anyone' brigade on this forum a getting a bit nauseating

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about 13 years ago

reg22 wrote:

 i don't think anyone is saying that the same players, and the coach that have been ok for the last how many years are all suddenly shit

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Of course not - as I pointed out, they've been saying the whole thing is shit for years now, and they're overjoyed that they now have some evidence.

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the 'though shalt not criticise anyone' brigade on this forum a getting a bit nauseating



Strawman. Case in point: we're bagging Corey Gaimero before he's even arrived.

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about 13 years ago

 

 If he turns into our saviour then i will be among the first to say i was wrong.However given our current situation i wouldnt have thought this is the type of signing that is going to  put us back on track as a competitive unit once more.

The true test will be the off season and if Welnix are prepared to open the wallets and try and get some quality for a change instead of other clubs hand me downs.

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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

reg22 wrote:

 i don't think anyone is saying that the same players, and the coach that have been ok for the last how many years are all suddenly shit

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Of course not - as I pointed out, they've been saying the whole thing is shit for years now, and they're overjoyed that they now have some evidence.

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the 'though shalt not criticise anyone' brigade on this forum a getting a bit nauseating



Strawman. Case in point: we're bagging Corey Gaimero before he's even arrived.

I'm excited about him. But can see people's points about rather having a midfielder.
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about 13 years ago
The bottom line is we also need a striker as Stein has not lived up to 50 per cent of his billing. I have no issue with this signing if this guy is a realistic option for next year and there is an option to sign him. Does any one know if he has a contract for fulham next year?

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about 13 years ago

reg22 wrote:

come on guys, i don't think anyone is saying that the same players, and the coach that have been ok for the last how many years are all suddenly shit

most of the 'negative' comes attached with good reasoning and clear explanations

things are not ok at the club and in the team.  you cannot expect the forums to be like Disneyland right now

the 'though shalt not criticise anyone' brigade on this forum a getting a bit nauseating

I'm actually not saying 'lets not criticise anyone. I'm saying that this signing needs to be looked at with a large dose of perspective which seems to be sorely lacking. The negative people have front footed already with 'it should have been a midfielder/crap PR spin from Ricki/whats this kid going to do/Stein has been shit (again, did I miss any?). He hasn't even arrived yet. It was the same with the Cernak signing and he is not doing too badly. Hogg was called the messiah before he even got near the training pitch and the replacement for Lochhead.

70% chance he is going to do nothing and flop. 30% chance he has the goods and does something good for us. With 6 rounds left in a dire season, is it actually worth getting dialled up about when he has done nothing yet? This loan has low risk written all over it. I hope he does well and we get a chance to sign him. If not, in a few weeks, I wont remember him or care. I will feel better knowing he was not signed outright with a deal for next year and thus affecting the cap with another crap player. As it is Totori will be here for next year. He should never have been offered a player option for next year on his signing. It should have been at the clubs option (with it not being exercised). Thats the kinda dumb shit we should be avoiding and have done so on a 6 week loan.

Perspective.

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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

reg22 wrote:

 i don't think anyone is saying that the same players, and the coach that have been ok for the last how many years are all suddenly shit

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Of course not - as I pointed out, they've been saying the whole thing is shit for years now, and they're overjoyed that they now have some evidence.

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the 'though shalt not criticise anyone' brigade on this forum a getting a bit nauseating



Strawman. Case in point: we're bagging Corey Gaimero before he's even arrived.


ok deloras, based on what you have heard of gamiero and given our transfer record, how do you think he'll go?

my prediction, based on those factors is that he'll be yet another waste of time

and furthermore, he is a waste of time that contradicts our supposed five year plan towards beautiful football and youth development

of course i will be proved wrong if
1. he's quality
2. we have a purchase option

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

Jeff Vader wrote:

reg22 wrote:

come on guys, i don't think anyone is saying that the same players, and the coach that have been ok for the last how many years are all suddenly shit

most of the 'negative' comes attached with good reasoning and clear explanations

things are not ok at the club and in the team.  you cannot expect the forums to be like Disneyland right now

the 'though shalt not criticise anyone' brigade on this forum a getting a bit nauseating

I'm actually not saying 'lets not criticise anyone. I'm saying that this signing needs to be looked at with a large dose of perspective which seems to be sorely lacking. The negative people have front footed already with 'it should have been a midfielder/crap PR spin from Ricki/whats this kid going to do/Stein has been shit (again, did I miss any?). He hasn't even arrived yet. It was the same with the Cernak signing and he is not doing too badly. Hogg was called the messiah before he even got near the training pitch and the replacement for Lochhead.

70% chance he is going to do nothing and flop. 30% chance he has the goods and does something good for us. With 6 rounds left in a dire season, is it actually worth getting dialled up about when he has done nothing yet? This loan has low risk written all over it. I hope he does well and we get a chance to sign him. If not, in a few weeks, I wont remember him or care. I will feel better knowing he was not signed outright with a deal for next year and thus affecting the cap with another crap player. As it is Totori will be here for next year. He should never have been offered a player option for next year on his signing. It should have been at the clubs option (with it not being exercised). Thats the kinda dumb shit we should be avoiding and have done so on a 6 week loan.

Perspective.


these 6 games need to be used to steady the ship and establish a base for next season.  bringing in a 6 game loan signing is pointless if you are serious about giving fenton and boyd as much exposure as possible, or allowing a class player like huysegems to play his way into form.

if the 6 remaining games are pointless enough to be wasted on experimental signings, why not bring in clapham or de vries?

once again, if he's class, i'm wrong

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

reg22 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

reg22 wrote:

come on guys, i don't think anyone is saying that the same players, and the coach that have been ok for the last how many years are all suddenly shit

most of the 'negative' comes attached with good reasoning and clear explanations

things are not ok at the club and in the team.  you cannot expect the forums to be like Disneyland right now

the 'though shalt not criticise anyone' brigade on this forum a getting a bit nauseating

I'm actually not saying 'lets not criticise anyone. I'm saying that this signing needs to be looked at with a large dose of perspective which seems to be sorely lacking. The negative people have front footed already with 'it should have been a midfielder/crap PR spin from Ricki/whats this kid going to do/Stein has been shit (again, did I miss any?). He hasn't even arrived yet. It was the same with the Cernak signing and he is not doing too badly. Hogg was called the messiah before he even got near the training pitch and the replacement for Lochhead.

70% chance he is going to do nothing and flop. 30% chance he has the goods and does something good for us. With 6 rounds left in a dire season, is it actually worth getting dialled up about when he has done nothing yet? This loan has low risk written all over it. I hope he does well and we get a chance to sign him. If not, in a few weeks, I wont remember him or care. I will feel better knowing he was not signed outright with a deal for next year and thus affecting the cap with another crap player. As it is Totori will be here for next year. He should never have been offered a player option for next year on his signing. It should have been at the clubs option (with it not being exercised). Thats the kinda dumb shit we should be avoiding and have done so on a 6 week loan.

Perspective.


these 6 games need to be used to steady the ship and establish a base for next season.  bringing in a 6 game loan signing is pointless if you are serious about giving fenton and boyd as much exposure as possible, or allowing a class player like huysegems to play his way into form.

if the 6 remaining games are pointless enough to be wasted on experimental signings, why not bring in clapham or de vries?

once again, if he's class, i'm wrong
I think Fenton and Boyd are now known quantities. Fenton will have a good career I think. Boyd, not so sure at this stage although he is still young and to be fair, he was developed by Edge so god knows what basics he has missed out on.

I get what you are saying about Stein but then a few other players would need to play into form too and get the ball to him in the right space. I don't think its fair to argue he is out of form when really, he has hardly had touches on the ball because we have been so poor.
You have a valid point around DeVries and Clapham.
I also understand we are only allowed to sign 23 (now 24 as there is an injury replacment for Pantelis) so without looking deep into it, we much be close to that number now.

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about 13 years ago

I'd also bring in a few local players on 2 month offseason training deals and say to them 'there is an opportunity to pick up a contract if you can turn up and show it all at training.' That would certainly lift the intensity. Krishna has and a few cracks and failed, Clapham and De Vries would need to give VPL a miss but in terms of seeing how local talent goes against the top squad, its at least an objective measure (forgive me if we already do this - I have heard a couple of stories like Kaltak, Chettleburgh and Krishna doing this only)

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

I'd also bring in a few local players on 2 month offseason training deals and say to them 'there is an opportunity to pick up a contract if you can turn up and show it all at training.' That would certainly lift the intensity. Krishna has and a few cracks and failed, Clapham and De Vries would need to give VPL a miss but in terms of seeing how local talent goes against the top squad, its at least an objective measure (forgive me if we already do this - I have heard a couple of stories like Kaltak, Chettleburgh and Krishna doing this only)

That is almost exactly what happened with the Academy boys last year, so it would just be a matter of extending this to older players as well.

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about 13 years ago

One positive I think has come out of this, regardless of what happens with this signing, is that the club managed to get a youngster from a decent English team on loan. As a precedent this could mean that there's potential for other young kiwis and aussies to come over here either for injury cover or for a whole season. We might be able to get the likes of Howieson and Payne back on loan next year for instance...

I know I've been pretty critical of the not-really-explained Welnix Master Plan for World Domination financial sustainability but more stuff like this might make me change my tune. Wonder what our wage contribution for the loan deal is?

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about 13 years ago

If we had a world class midfielder, like Del Piero, we had 21 instead of 20 points, so that can't be the solution.

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about 13 years ago

I get the feeling that the "School of Excellence" will get dumped next season in favour of a slightly younger squad of 23 players with more "Reserves" matches organised for midweek to keep the fringe players fit!

Will save the hassles of having to obtain International Clearance for our own players to play, will give us a chance to actually build a squad for the future and will also keep the wage bill down too. Also, if we manage to unearth another Mini Judas or Barbarbarbarbarouses in the process then there will be more chance of us getting some sort of compensation/transfer fee! 

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about 13 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

I get the feeling that the "School of Excellence" will get dumped next season in favour of a slightly younger squad of 23 players with more "Reserves" matches organised for midweek to keep the fringe players fit!

Will save the hassles of having to obtain International Clearance for our own players to play, will give us a chance to actually build a squad for the future and will also keep the wage bill down too. Also, if we manage to unearth another Mini Judas or Barbarbarbarbarouses in the process then there will be more chance of us getting some sort of compensation/transfer fee! 


Not a stupid observation C D. certainly irons out some bugs in administration. 
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about 13 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

I get the feeling that the "School of Excellence" will get dumped next season in favour of a slightly younger squad of 23 players with more "Reserves" matches organised for midweek to keep the fringe players fit!

Will save the hassles of having to obtain International Clearance for our own players to play, will give us a chance to actually build a squad for the future and will also keep the wage bill down too. Also, if we manage to unearth another Mini Judas or Barbarbarbarbarouses in the process then there will be more chance of us getting some sort of compensation/transfer fee! 

Sorry are you advocating running another reserves bunch of 23 or having the main squad at the maximum allowable 23?

We are at 24 now (Pantelis injury exemption included) so not sure I can see how it is different than what we have currently?

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about 13 years ago
I only count 22,

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

My mistake. We are at 23. Counted wrong

Edit: won't let me paste from the Off Contract thread but it has 23 listed


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about 13 years ago
Fair enough, I missed Cernak as well

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about 13 years ago

Corey Gameiro is a cool name. Like Cernak. Maybe that's why I was so lukewarm on Tim Brown. I'm shallow.

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

Ricki's recent transfer successes could hardly be worse if he concentrated only on hiring those with cool sounding names


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about 13 years ago

Ricki's recent transfer successes could hardly be worse if he concentrated only on hiring those with cool sounding names


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about 13 years ago

 Michu



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about 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

 Michu

Bless You!

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about 13 years ago

Ricky van Wolfswinkel, Exodus Geohaghon and of course, Hulk

(C'mon, Ricki... work your magic)

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about 13 years ago

We have a full 23 man squad now. Only way to add to the squad is the injury replacement spot for Pantelis, who we can't replace with someone who is currently contracted to another A-League team (except under 'exceptional circumstances'). Paying out a player, like Downey, or finding someone good enough for qualify for a Guest contract.

I think it is unlikely to see any of those 3 options used.

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about 13 years ago

WeeMac re-signs with CCM for 2 more year.

 

Balls.

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about 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

WeeMac re-signs with CCM for 2 more year.

 

Balls.

Midfielder did say he was close. Kinda disappointed, was hoping he would have another crack at Europe or a big Asian League.
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about 13 years ago

ballane wrote:

 

 If he turns into our saviour then i will be among the first to say i was wrong.However given our current situation i wouldnt have thought this is the type of signing that is going to  put us back on track as a competitive unit once more.

The true test will be the off season and if Welnix are prepared to open the wallets and try and get some quality for a change instead of other clubs hand me downs.

agree - any signing is a sign that the club is trying to do something to remedy the current issues, but a small, quick striker on loan from Fulham doesn't seem to remedy the major issue - whcih seem to be in our midfield. I'd love to see this kid play against the Roar and nab a coup0le of goals - he may get his chance with Brockie out. No loss if he fails but no real great gain if he succeeds - unless we can sign him long term.

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about 13 years ago

There was some talk that weeMac could be a target ... he has just resigned for the Mariners...

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/centralcoastmariners/news-display/Magnificent-McGlinchey-commits-to-Mariners/60547

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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about 13 years ago

How about the scenario where he succeeds, his goals get us into the playoffs and we win the league? Would you call that no real gain? 

To me, when can only win or come out of this where we started. Which is why all the complaining in the other thread is stupid. We didn't pass up on signing a star midfielder to sign this guy. 


Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

 But Tegal, all the whining comes from the belief that Ricki, and Gareth in particular (Welnix in general), are "to blame" (rather than "accountable", or "responsible") for our recent dire form. If you believe that, there is not such thing as extenuating circumstances (i.e. no decent midfielders actually want to come and work in Wellington right now). No, it must be Ricki (and Gareth)'s fault.


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