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Phoenix Transfer - speculation

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SurgeQld wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:
Where's Bozza? He hasn't popped up anywhere yet has he?
do we really need anuda non youth keepa?


We need the best keeper available.


QFT.  Keeper is one of the if not THE most important position, don't waste this space on a youth (unless he is god)
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caseym wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:
Where's Bozza? He hasn't popped up anywhere yet has he?
do we really need anuda non youth keepa?


We need the best keeper available.


QFT.  Keeper is one of the if not THE most important position, don't waste this space on a youth (unless he is god)


God played up front, and will do so for the Fury this season, it will be fascinating to see how he goes
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Coxey wrote:
Smeltz is a fookin legend.....we wouldn't be half the club we are without his contribution.....

No-one else was knocking in the chances provided by the team, or creating and finishing their own chances....

He gave us a great two seasons and won the Johnny Warren Medal and Goal of the Season while with us...

I told him at the Phoenix Awards that he would be greatly missed, and I would only forgive him for leaving if he scored the goals that lead the All Whites to the World Cup in 2010.

Step up Chris Greenacre, but by the sounds of things we've recruited and bought well.  Be interested to see how Vinnie Lia goes this season.

News, I like your theory regarding Tommy Smith...have a word to Ricki and tell him to talk to Roy.

I'm looking forward to seeing who steps up and takes their chance over the month of trialling out of Corrales and Krishna.....




Has anyone wondered how we (and Smeltz) would have performed if we actually had another half decent striker in the team.

I liked Cov's but age caught up I guess and Kwasnik in my eyes was a waste from the get go.  He's crap on FM and proved to be the same on the pitch.  TBH I'm surprised that CCM took him back, they must be well hard up.
disco_mart2009-04-24 22:36:31
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Wibblebutt wrote:
Recoba to Perth?
 
 
Perth are definitely stepping it up for this season..
 
Wow this sage guy is doing really good things for the club and they aint gonna be the bottom dwellers of the past me thinks.
 
This guy is good, don't think he'd be a bigger drawcard than Fowler, but would be an amazing player for the league.
 
I'm still questioning our club on the marquee front. We should be looking for a big name to bring bums to seats rather than look to use it making the cap go  a little further


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I don't think we need a marquee per se, what we desperately need, to be play-off and title contenders is a second striker who will score 8 or 9 goals (27 game season). If we then have to designate our highest paid player marquee status to manage salary cap constraints then so be it.
 
A "name" marquee, unless he is that second striker, may put bums on seats in the short term but, if the team isn't consistently winning the additional bums on seats won't keep coming back.
 
The best way to get big crowds is consistently win, especially at home, ideally playing attractive, entertaining football i.e. build a well balanced squad with sufficient depth to cover injuries / suspensions, good on and off field leadership etc etc rather than pay mega bucks for a "name".
 
I guess you could try and do both - balanced squad + "name" marquee but that's clearly not financially realistic for most clubs  - especially given the realities of the current financial situation.
 
Whitby boy2009-04-25 12:09:43
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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In that article about Alvaro Recoba it mentions Richard Morales has expressed an interest to play in the A-league.  Could he be an option?  Age would definitely be a factor, with him at 34.  Admittedly I've only seen him in one game and that was a long time ago but he scored within 20 seconds of the second-half kick-off.  He's also the player who injured himself while running around with his shirt over his head after scoring.  Would've looked like a right knob then.
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Tony P on 2ZB today; http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/weekondemandWN.asp
 
Select; Sat 25 April 13.00 - interview starts at 42.50min
 
Talks about 2nd striker - played down search and prospects which hopefully reflects management of expectations rather than any idea the we can get away with not signing a 2nd proven striker.
 
P.S. Tony; Palmy is north of Wellington - up, not down, the road  
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Also Tony stated about goalkeepers that we are confident that that we can secure a top flight keeper as they are calling us about it this time!
Sounds good Tony!
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/04/23/nigel-clough-orders-derby-clearout-115875-21301008/

Clough, appointed in January, has also made Jordan Stewart, Mile Sterjovski, Ruben Zadkovich and Martin Albrechtsen available for transfer as well.
He might head back* to the A-League. He'd be useful, no? :P Doubt the 'nix would go for him though.

Zadkovich was released too, haha. He'll be heading for League 2 no doubt.

*as in back to Australiaaussienixfan2009-04-25 16:59:59
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Whitby boy wrote:
I don't think we need a marquee per se, what we desperately need, to be play-off and title contenders is a second striker who will score 8 or 9 goals (27 game season). If we then have to designate our highest paid player marquee status to manage salary cap constraints then so be it.
 
A "name" marquee, unless he is that second striker, may put bums on seats in the short term but, if the team isn't consistently winning the additional bums on seats won't keep coming back.
 
The best way to get big crowds is consistently win, especially at home, ideally playing attractive, entertaining football i.e. build a well balanced squad with sufficient depth to cover injuries / suspensions, good on and off field leadership etc etc rather than pay mega bucks for a "name".
 
I guess you could try and do both - balanced squad + "name" marquee but that's clearly not financially realistic for most clubs  - especially given the realities of the current financial situation.
 


I agree with you but I just think the whole point of a marquee is to create a buzz about the club and the league too in fact. But I believe that he can be a good player too. If he's creating a buzz and playing good football then he doesn't have to be a striker.

A lot like Fred I guess, created hype and helped play the team better. Guess that's why Tony P has said he would take him on as marquee. I'd love to see him come but I still think we should look at other places rather than leaving the marquee on hold or just stretching it out with another squad player.

I agree that if we do have to give our highest paid player marquee status then we should, But we should still look at players who could fill the gap.  Even if we do resort back to stretching the squad. And if we can find a quality striker then why not offer him marquee to seal the deal if he's worth it.


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Whitby boy wrote:
Tony P on 2ZB today; http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/weekondemandWN.asp
 
Select; Sat 25 April 13.00 - interview starts at 42.50min
 
Talks about 2nd striker - played down search and prospects which hopefully reflects management of expectations rather than any idea the we can get away with not signing a 2nd proven striker.
 
P.S. Tony; Palmy is north of Wellington - up, not down, the road  


Good stuff there. Cheers for the heads up too Whitby Boy!
Just gonna listen now


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Torne wrote:
Also Tony stated about goalkeepers that we are confident that that we can secure a top flight keeper as they are calling us about it this time!
Sounds good Tony!


Speaking of goalkeepers, interesting to note in the 442 podcast that the panel were saying how useful Bosnich would have been for CCM in the Champions League, while they rate Vukovich they stated how useful Bosnich's presence and organisation of the defense would have been. Still obviously rated well over the Tasman...

I know many on here will disagree, but I hope he is one of the ones calling!
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SC03 wrote:
Torne wrote:
Also Tony stated about goalkeepers that we are confident that that we can secure a top flight keeper as they are calling us about it this time!
Sounds good Tony!


Speaking of goalkeepers, interesting to note in the 442 podcast that the panel were saying how useful Bosnich would have been for CCM in the Champions League, while they rate Vukovich they stated how useful Bosnich's presence and organisation of the defense would have been. Still obviously rated well over the Tasman...

I know many on here will disagree, but I hope he is one of the ones calling!


Don't know if he'd be calling us haha But yeah I agree he could be useful
But if we can find someone else then I think we shouldn't give him a spot just because he's Bosnich.

He was one of  the only stasr in the Oceania All stars


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playwithFire wrote:
SC03 wrote:
Torne wrote:
Also Tony stated about goalkeepers that we are confident that that we can secure a top flight keeper as they are calling us about it this time!
Sounds good Tony!


Speaking of goalkeepers, interesting to note in the 442 podcast that the panel were saying how useful Bosnich would have been for CCM in the Champions League, while they rate Vukovich they stated how useful Bosnich's presence and organisation of the defense would have been. Still obviously rated well over the Tasman...

I know many on here will disagree, but I hope he is one of the ones calling!


Don't know if he'd be calling us haha But yeah I agree he could be useful
But if we can find someone else then I think we shouldn't give him a spot just because he's Bosnich.

He was one of  the only stasr in the Oceania All stars
 
So was steven old.. Doesn't exactly say much for the all stars

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
playwithFire wrote:
SC03 wrote:
Torne wrote:
Also Tony stated about goalkeepers that we are confident that that we can secure a top flight keeper as they are calling us about it this time!
Sounds good Tony!


Speaking of goalkeepers, interesting to note in the 442 podcast that the panel were saying how useful Bosnich would have been for CCM in the Champions League, while they rate Vukovich they stated how useful Bosnich's presence and organisation of the defense would have been. Still obviously rated well over the Tasman...

I know many on here will disagree, but I hope he is one of the ones calling!


Don't know if he'd be calling us haha But yeah I agree he could be useful
But if we can find someone else then I think we shouldn't give him a spot just because he's Bosnich.

He was one of  the only stasr in the Oceania All stars
 
So was steven old.. Doesn't exactly say much for the all stars


Agreed. Did pull off a few classy saves though


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it worries me just looking at the wikipedia page for the phoenix, how many players we have released and lost,to how many we hae signed. 8:2 !!
 
diego and greenacre and the only new signings when we have lost smeltz, moss, dodd, draper, johnson, coveny, kwasnik  and possibly plodder.
 
our squad is very depleted. hopefuly a few late signings.
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Theres almost 4 months till the season starts...
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Yeah this is a worry. But management does seem on top of it. And yeas we do have lots of time. I'm glad they have said they are looking at 2 more strikers. This is a must. Krishna could be a good acquisition and I think it would create more of a fight for bench spots or starting spots and then if we sign a proven goalscoring targetman then we will have four different strikers with different abilities and  skills all fighting for three spots which has to be good.

And just think positive, If we are so depleted, it means we are in for lots of signings and lots of excitement. Could fill all those spots with equal or better replacements if I actually think about it. Perhaps there will be a flop or two with so many to come, but we are in for a new look nix and that excites me.

Don't worry about squad size, we will definitely be sorted in that department, and got loads of time to do it.


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Who would you guys prefer outta Krishna and Corrales? All the signs point to Krishna.

Have seen him play and he looks to have the potential, I personally haven't seen enough of Luis
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I've seen none of Corrales but Krishna is a great player.  Would be great to have a bit of Fijian flair in the squad as well. loyalgunner2009-04-26 15:08:51
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Yeah I too havn't seen enough of Corrales but Krishna seems consistant and still quite young with Corrales only beating him on pace?

But yeah a bit of Fijian flair could be nice. Might be able to tap into an Indian fanbase with him. The stadium was rocking at the 20/20 this year - imagine if we could pull some of those guys in.

Wonder if there are any promising Indian footballers now that I think of it..


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I'm curious now so was having a look..
The national team has players only from the Indian league which was a disappointment.  Their two top strikers are Sunil Chetri (15goals from 34 Appearances) and Baichung Bhutia (41 from 58)
24 and 32 years of age respectively.

Wonder what the quality Of the league is like over there? I'd imagine it'd be pretty rubbish.
It's under the Thai league so perhaps maybe give that a scratch haha


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It would be rubbish league but have heard that Bhutia is alright
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wasnt corrales top scorer in the nzfc?

is krishna much of a goal scorer?
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the game i saw of coralles he was sh*te
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Krishna was 3rd highest scorer in the NZFC with 8, Corrales had 12.  To get the Indians in Wellington to the game I doubt just one Indo-Fijian would cut it really, if we could find an Indian player we could be in business.
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hasnt anyone heard the joke about why Indians dont play football (No offense)  Man_utd_fan2009-04-26 16:40:05
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dont know if thats a joke or not? Havnt heard that. Only heard its religious

Yeah thats why i was looking around the Indian League for players. But none of their national players play outside of India so its hard to know at what quality they play at. Apparantly the league is just below the Thai league. And Ney Fabiano Played there so perhaps if we can get one of their top goal scorers we could do well?


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Man_utd_fan wrote:
hasnt anyone heard the joke about why Indians dont play football (No offense) 
 
why dont indians play football?
 
Because they build a dairy on every corner
 
(not intended to offend)
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Man_utd_fan wrote:

wasnt corrales top scorer in the nzfc?

is krishna much of a goal scorer?


Luis got 12 in the regular season games and didn't score in the finals, so 12 in 16.  Krishna had visa problems and missed part of the season but including finals games scored 11 in 14.

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Krishna > Corrales.

IMO.
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Ive struggled to find any videos of krishna, once typed in, it comes up with bollywood films. LMAO
 
any one got a good link?
 
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el grapadura wrote:
Krishna > Corrales.

IMO.


+1

IMO2

Stood next to Luis at Bell Park last weekend and can't believe how small he actually is....I think he'd literally get picked up and eaten alive by Craig Moore, Danny Tiatto or Kevin Muscat......but would love to see him in there and prove me wrong.

I'd like them both to step up and raise their game, and catch Ozzie teams defences on the hop if either or both of them make it through their trial.......which I am looking forward to seeing some of, and to hearing the reports as they pretty much go head to head.


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Coxey wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Krishna > Corrales.

IMO.


+1

IMO2

Stood next to Luis at Bell Park last weekend and can't believe how small he actually is....I think he'd literally get picked up and eaten alive by Craig Moore, Danny Tiatto or Kevin Muscat......but would love to see him in there and prove me wrong.

I'd like them both to step up and raise their game, and catch Ozzie teams defences on the hop if either or both of them make it through their trial.......which I am looking forward to seeing some of, and to hearing the reports as they pretty much go head to head.


 
played against him on a couple of occasions and I can tell you that he's stronger that one might think. Also saw him score  cracker once, he dribbled 3 of us and fired it in the top right corner.

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krishna must be a cert unless he has a shiite trial. Love to see him trial against another A-league side like Melbourne. See if he gets muscatised. I still think little guys don't get enough protection in the A-League.
The prevailing defensive philosophy is if they are small...just smash them i.e Gao, Juninho, etc.
 
You have to be super fast and stay on the flanks like Zullo or be quick on your feet like Archie thompson.
 
If Krishna does get signed it will be a big ask for him to come in and immediately make an impact. He will need to be eased into it.
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Ricki on the radio this evening stated:

1, They expect to sign another forward of at least Greenacre's profile, but a bigger more 'target man' type.
2, The second keeper will have either played A-League or been attached to an A-League squad and won't be a development player.


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Hard News wrote:
Ricki on the radio this evening stated:

1, They expect to sign another forward of at least Greenacre's profile, but a bigger more 'target man' type.
2, The second keeper will have either played A-League or been attached to an A-League squad and won't be a development player.
 
Excellent - reconfirms the team are on to it.
 
What station and approximate time ?
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Hard News wrote:
Ricki on the radio this evening stated:1, They expect to sign another forward of at least Greenacre's profile, but a bigger more 'target man' type.2, The second keeper will have either played A-League or been attached to an A-League squad and won't be a development player.


2. Could be Bosnich?
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