"Hay, a Fairfax football columnist with English Premier League experience, has been strong critic and was not surprised to hear his time in charge at the club was to come to an end"
Why do we keep needing to be reminded about Danny Hay's EPL experience? He played 4 games. That's as many as Lee Norfolk. Why doesn't someone ask fucking Lee Norfolk what he thinks?!!
Hey you bastards I'm still here.
I thought Smithy did a very good job in deflecting Telfer's negativity. Telfer is a new convert to the game and very naive when it comes to any in depth analysis. He had been talking to Moffet prior tot his and although he has a lot of experienc ein sports administration at the highest level he also showed a serious lack of knowledge on football matters and how franchises and football leagues work. What I particularly liked about Smithy's approach was that he didn't let Telfer get away with just spouting shit and challenged him on it and backed it up with facts and reasoned argument. Funny that later callers [and Telfer] made out that Yellow Fever was effectively in the pocket of the Nix and toeing the party line, obviously THEY don't read this forum.....
I thought Smithy did a very good job in deflecting Telfer's negativity. Telfer is a new convert to the game and very naive when it comes to any in depth analysis. He had been talking to Moffet prior tot his and although he has a lot of experienc ein sports administration at the highest level he also showed a serious lack of knowledge on football matters and how franchises and football leagues work. What I particularly liked about Smithy's approach was that he didn't let Telfer get away with just spouting shit and challenged him on it and backed it up with facts and reasoned argument. Funny that later callers [and Telfer] made out that Yellow Fever was effectively in the pocket of the Nix and toeing the party line, obviously THEY don't read this forum.....
Really am surprised that Ricki left before the season finished. Too late for any chance of a recovery by appointing a new coach, so nothing to gain from it. Would have preferred Ricki to signal his intentions and see out the season. Would have been the most professional way of handling it imo.
This was basically what I was trying to get across on the other forum. This is quoted from Fred Woodcocks opinon
"Of the dozens of players who have represented the Phoenix during the past six seasons, only defender Ben Sigmund immediately springs to mind as a Kiwi who has gone from relative obscurity to an accomplished professional under Herbert.
Others were either made before they reached Wellington or have gone on to other clubs and made a name for themselves"
Will a new coach start to look at the ASB premiership ma bit more? I would say unlikely if its a foreign coach.
be honest though- we've talked about it a lot. Who has deserved it?
Hogg has come from the premiership and looked ok and indifferent, though he may make it. There haven't been a lot of names that have demanded to be looked at.
Really am surprised that Ricki left before the season finished. Too late for any chance of a recovery by appointing a new coach, so nothing to gain from it. Would have preferred Ricki to signal his intentions and see out the season. Would have been the most professional way of handling it imo.
This was basically what I was trying to get across on the other forum. This is quoted from Fred Woodcocks opinon
"Of the dozens of players who have represented the Phoenix during the past six seasons, only defender Ben Sigmund immediately springs to mind as a Kiwi who has gone from relative obscurity to an accomplished professional under Herbert.
Others were either made before they reached Wellington or have gone on to other clubs and made a name for themselves"
Will a new coach start to look at the ASB premiership ma bit more? I would say unlikely if its a foreign coach.
be honest though- we've talked about it a lot. Who has deserved it?
Hogg has come from the premiership and looked ok and indifferent, though he may make it. There haven't been a lot of names that have demanded to be looked at.
This was basically what I was trying to get across on the other forum. This is quoted from Fred Woodcocks opinon
"Of the dozens of players who have represented the Phoenix during the past six seasons, only defender Ben Sigmund immediately springs to mind as a Kiwi who has gone from relative obscurity to an accomplished professional under Herbert.
Others were either made before they reached Wellington or have gone on to other clubs and made a name for themselves"
Will a new coach start to look at the ASB premiership ma bit more? I would say unlikely if its a foreign coach.
This was basically what I was trying to get across on the other forum. This is quoted from Fred Woodcocks opinon
"Of the dozens of players who have represented the Phoenix during the past six seasons, only defender Ben Sigmund immediately springs to mind as a Kiwi who has gone from relative obscurity to an accomplished professional under Herbert.
Others were either made before they reached Wellington or have gone on to other clubs and made a name for themselves"
Will a new coach start to look at the ASB premiership ma bit more? I would say unlikely if its a foreign coach.
I have voiced Clapham's name a few times. When I saw him nutmeg 3 Team Wellingtons players, all in one go, while also setting up 3 goals all from set pieces and then scoring one himself, I thought that this kid has something special. His set pieces from what I have seen are better than any in the Phoenix, just is he to slow to play at this level? From talking to some of the NZ players and Phoenix players as to why he never made it further, the biggest reason they gave me was his CV was utter shit. And I guess thats the problem most have is that they have no decent leagues against their name. Someone has to take a risk on them. Which is what I thought the Phoenix could afford to do more than the other A League Clubs, since they would be very cheap and wouldn't be an import.
Certianly wouldn't have done any worse than Tsattolos or Downey or a number of the others who came and went.
I have also heard that Mulligan was never a right back and always was a very good central midfielder.
Totori really got picked up because of the Oceania Cup. My understanding is Krishna is actually a better player. He would have to be an import as well though (until he became naturalised).
I thought Smithy did a very good job in deflecting Telfer's negativity. Telfer is a new convert to the game and very naive when it comes to any in depth analysis. He had been talking to Moffet prior tot his and although he has a lot of experienc ein sports administration at the highest level he also showed a serious lack of knowledge on football matters and how franchises and football leagues work. What I particularly liked about Smithy's approach was that he didn't let Telfer get away with just spouting shit and challenged him on it and backed it up with facts and reasoned argument. Funny that later callers [and Telfer] made out that Yellow Fever was effectively in the pocket of the Nix and toeing the party line, obviously THEY don't read this forum.....
Krishna has trialled at the Phoenix and other A-League sides and hasn't been signed.
'My understanding' 'I have heard that...'
Have you not seen them play?
This was basically what I was trying to get across on the other forum. This is quoted from Fred Woodcocks opinon
"Of the dozens of players who have represented the Phoenix during the past six seasons, only defender Ben Sigmund immediately springs to mind as a Kiwi who has gone from relative obscurity to an accomplished professional under Herbert.
Others were either made before they reached Wellington or have gone on to other clubs and made a name for themselves"
Will a new coach start to look at the ASB premiership ma bit more? I would say unlikely if its a foreign coach.
I have voiced Clapham's name a few times. When I saw him nutmeg 3 Team Wellingtons players, all in one go, while also setting up 3 goals all from set pieces and then scoring one himself, I thought that this kid has something special. His set pieces from what I have seen are better than any in the Phoenix, just is he to slow to play at this level? From talking to some of the NZ players and Phoenix players as to why he never made it further, the biggest reason they gave me was his CV was utter shit. And I guess thats the problem most have is that they have no decent leagues against their name. Someone has to take a risk on them. Which is what I thought the Phoenix could afford to do more than the other A League Clubs, since they would be very cheap and wouldn't be an import.
Certianly wouldn't have done any worse than Tsattolos or Downey or a number of the others who came and went.
I have also heard that Mulligan was never a right back and always was a very good central midfielder.
Totori really got picked up because of the Oceania Cup. My understanding is Krishna is actually a better player. He would have to be an import as well though (until he became naturalised).
Krishna has trialled at the Phoenix and other A-League sides and hasn't been signed.
'My understanding' 'I have heard that...'
Have you not seen them play?
As much as I possibly can but you might be aware that not many ASB premiership games are televised. And I am not one stupid enough to pass judgement on a player from only watching them play once or twice across a couple years. I personally think that talking to the players that play against them on a regualr basis is probably a better judge of their ability.
This was basically what I was trying to get across on the other forum. This is quoted from Fred Woodcocks opinon
"Of the dozens of players who have represented the Phoenix during the past six seasons, only defender Ben Sigmund immediately springs to mind as a Kiwi who has gone from relative obscurity to an accomplished professional under Herbert.
Others were either made before they reached Wellington or have gone on to other clubs and made a name for themselves"
Will a new coach start to look at the ASB premiership ma bit more? I would say unlikely if its a foreign coach.
Not fair at all IMHO. From memory Barbarouses played for Team Wellington before he stepped up to the Phoenix, later to excell at Brisbane. Without his stint in the ASBP would he have made it to the Nix? Rojas played for Waikato United in the ASBP as well before the YF got him on the Phoenix's books (in spite of Ricki), only to excell at MV under the same coach Barbarouses had at Brisbane. I'm sorry, both went from relative obscurity in NZ football to success in the A League. Brockie also resurrected his faltering A League career by going back to the ASBP and then got back in the A League. Now Fenton and Boyd have come up through the ranks, along with Hogg.
Hopefully the Phoenix's new coach will follow the ASBP closely for the best local talent. There are certainly players in it who are equal if not better than the likes of Smith, Lia, Downey, Tortori and Lochhead.
Perhaps if big ASBP games were televised then Phoenix staff could benefit in appraising local talent by watching replays.
Krishna has trialled at the Phoenix and other A-League sides and hasn't been signed.
'My understanding' 'I have heard that...'
Have you not seen them play?
As much as I possibly can but you might be aware that not many ASB premiership games are televised. And I am not one stupid enough to pass judgement on a player from only watching them play once or twice across a couple years. I personally think that talking to the players that play against them on a regualr basis is probably a better judge of their ability.
From watching Krishna plenty of times my issue with him is the number of good chances he wastes. However he's fast, has good ball skills and knows how to find space in the box. A decent stint as a full time professional may well iron out his wastefulness.
Hang on. So you accept that ricki picks players from the ASBP, and they went on to do well. Yet you've always said that he never does this.
Hang on. So you accept that ricki picks players from the ASBP, and they went on to do well. Yet you've always said that he never does this.
No I haven't said "never' just not enough. It's true that only Siggy became one of his favourites. Barbarouses was mostly a sub and Rojas was often played out of position, when played at all. Both went on to prove themselves at other A League clubs. I gather the sudden signing this season of a host of Kiwi players like Brockie, Fenton, Boxall and Boyd etc is more the result of pressure from Welnix behind the scenes.
Trueblue, do you think that if we get in an Australian, that he will be more likely to pick players from the ASBP?
This was basically what I was trying to get across on the other forum. This is quoted from Fred Woodcocks opinon
"Of the dozens of players who have represented the Phoenix during the past six seasons, only defender Ben Sigmund immediately springs to mind as a Kiwi who has gone from relative obscurity to an accomplished professional under Herbert.
Others were either made before they reached Wellington or have gone on to other clubs and made a name for themselves"
Will a new coach start to look at the ASB premiership ma bit more? I would say unlikely if its a foreign coach.
Hmmm. Last minute of Greenie interview: diplomatically basically admits that Gareth/Welnix meddling in the Nix management has not been popular among the players. Combined with Iffy's recent tweets apologising to Ricki for his crap performance recently, and I think the idea that the players wanted Ricki out is farcical nonsense based on prejudice.
Good luck Ricki, you have been a great servant for the Phoenix and it was a pleasure working with you for 3 years. You can go out with your head held high and good luck with the All Whites for the 2014 WC.
My only surprise was that it took so long for this day to come. Whether Herbert was asked to resign or he took it upon himself is a moot point so I won't be going there.
The way the Phoenix have been lately, he would have been gone a lot earlier if it was any other league in the World. For Herbert to stay till the end of the season would have been good for absolutely no-one involved with the club.
I suppose a big question will be if the change of playing style hadn't occurred how would be the Nix be fairing. I always got the feeling Herbert had taken the team as far as he could and couldn't get them to push through to the next level due to his coaching aesthetic.
I wish Herbert well in his future endeavors.
Hmmm. Last minute of Greenie interview: diplomatically basically admits that Gareth/Welnix meddling in the Nix management has not been popular among the players. Combined with Iffy's recent tweets apologising to Ricki for his crap performance recently, and I think the idea that the players wanted Ricki out is farcical nonsense based on prejudice.
My only surprise was that it took so long for this day to come. Whether Herbert was asked to resign or he took it upon himself is a moot point so I won't be going there.
The way the Phoenix have been lately, he would have been gone a lot earlier if it was any other league in the World. For Herbert to stay till the end of the season would have been good for absolutely no-one involved with the club.
I suppose a big question will be if the change of playing style hadn't occurred how would be the Nix be fairing. I always got the feeling Herbert had taken the team as far as he could and couldn't get them to push through to the next level due to his coaching aesthetic.
I wish Herbert well in his future endeavors.
Put the boot in.
Wish him well.
Nice.
I'm surprised he left in the middle of a very important week in the season. By the end of the Dunedin game we could be right in it or completely out of the playoff race. Seems like odd timing in that regard. Maybe they're hoping for a bit of interim coach magic that'll see us go on a winning run.
Hmmm. Last minute of Greenie interview: diplomatically basically admits that Gareth/Welnix meddling in the Nix management has not been popular among the players. Combined with Iffy's recent tweets apologising to Ricki for his crap performance recently, and I think the idea that the players wanted Ricki out is farcical nonsense based on prejudice.
I don't think we will ever know what really went on behind the scenes. Of course whenever a coach gets sacked the players are going to have some sympathy. Not like Ifill was going to tweet "haha suck on that" even if he wasn't happy.
There are some interesting surnames on the "Herbert out" Facebook page. Plus one Phoenix player wouldn't be happy some one of his family members posts about Herbert.
Got to remember even if they weren't happy with how Herbert was coaching its still tough for players to see someone leave who has been with the club for a while.
I would say its probably a combination of some players not being happy with Herbert and some not being happy with the owners.
Do you - and Frankie Mac - seriously think they were playing crap on purpose?!
Do you - and Frankie Mac - seriously think they were playing crap on purpose?!
There is a difference between playing crap on purpose and not being as motivated to play at your best.
My only surprise was that it took so long for this day to come. Whether Herbert was asked to resign or he took it upon himself is a moot point so I won't be going there.
The way the Phoenix have been lately, he would have been gone a lot earlier if it was any other league in the World. For Herbert to stay till the end of the season would have been good for absolutely no-one involved with the club.
I suppose a big question will be if the change of playing style hadn't occurred how would be the Nix be fairing. I always got the feeling Herbert had taken the team as far as he could and couldn't get them to push through to the next level due to his coaching aesthetic.
I wish Herbert well in his future endeavors.
I'm surprised he left in the middle of a very important week in the season. By the end of the Dunedin game we could be right in it or completely out of the playoff race. Seems like odd timing in that regard. Maybe they're hoping for a bit of interim coach magic that'll see us go on a winning run.
