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Tim Brown

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Was there seriously just 20 posts arguing about the possibility of watching at least 5 A league games in a week...? *facepalm*

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
Was there seriously just 20 posts arguing about the possibility of watching at least 5 A league games in a week...? *facepalm*

No, only 19.

I like Tim Brown's haircut.

As cultured as Che Bunce's left foot and as profilic as John Lammers

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reckon ricki read the mulligan hate and got 2 scared 2 pick him in case the fans burned the stadium

rojas, so special

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valeo wrote:
Stupidest argument of all time.
 
it might not even make the short-list
 
after all, there have been some absolute crackers in the stupidity stakes
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Shogan wrote:
Leggy wrote:
chocnut wrote:
Yes, I'm sure that's what you meant but when you say "at least" it sounds as if that is the minimum number you watch and that sometimes it's even more than that.
As i said I watch all the A league games and at least one EPL game, and sometimes more.

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Well thats good then your a loyal football fan.... and we are all football fans here so�lets not�start wars with each other over nothing..... now back to tim

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i think he is amazing �


Tim Brown's stats from Sat night:-

Mins played 88
Passes Completed = 9
Passes Incompleted = 8
Passes Received = 4
Tackles = 10
Missed Tackles = 10
Freekicks Conceded = 3
Freekicks won = 1

Watch a replay of Sat night's game, for 90% of the time he is missing, doesn't come short for the ball at the back, hides when we have possession or makes a half hearted attempt to receive the ball and chases shadows. Well out of his depth in midfield and as the stats show gives the ball away as much as he keeps it and misses as many tackles as he makes. Anyone that thinks he "does a job" is obviously happy with mediocrity.





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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
interesting and with quite a bit more data it looks like you could put a challenging argument together - some buts though
 
you're data on his off the ball work will be largely non-existent due to tv perspective (and that is a big part of a cm role)
 
you don't have any data for the other players on that night  - what are you comparing his scores against
 
there is no indication to us that we would have scored the actions the same way - e.g. other 'scorers' might have viewed something that you've marked as a missed tackle as closing a player down
 
sites like Optus etc cover off most of these concerns and even they can't tell us all we need to know about a players performance
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Ooo_iii, IF those stats are close to being accurate - and funnily enough, they (in particular number of completed & incomplete passes, & "passes received") are extremely close to what I would have predicted - then hopefully it will allow a lot of people to have a more objective and unemotional understanding of TB's game.

Although as tigers said, some stats are a little subjective (unavoidable though), and yes it would be more compelling to see other players stats from that game, and other stats for TB through phoenix season (there's a job for you! :P )

As cultured as Che Bunce's left foot and as profilic as John Lammers

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tigers wrote:
interesting and with quite a bit more data it looks like you could put a challenging�argument together�- some buts though
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you're data on his off the ball work will be largely non-existent due to tv perspective�(and that is a big part of a cm role)

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you don't have any data for the other players on that night� - what are you comparing his scores against

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there is no indication to us that we would have scored the actions the same way - e.g. other 'scorers' might have viewed something that you've marked as a missed tackle as closing a player down

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sites like Optus etc cover off most of these concerns and even they can't tell us all we need to know about a players performance

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The point I'm trying to make is Tim Brown is like having an ugly missus - she'll make you dinner, clean your car and give you a blow job every night but at the end of the day she's still ugly.
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Ooo iii wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is Tim Brown is like having an ugly missus - she'll make you dinner, clean your car and give you a blow job every night but at the end of the day she's still ugly.


End of discussion


As cultured as Che Bunce's left foot and as profilic as John Lammers

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Ooo iii wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is Tim Brown is like having an ugly missus - she'll make you dinner, clean your car and give you a blow job every night but at the end of the day she's still ugly.
 
So she'd do everything you'd expect from a wife then?
 
I'd prefer that to the 'beautiful, missus, great to look at, doesn't cook, doesn't clean, gives you a BJ once a year if you're lucky, but she's still great to look at' version

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
Ooo iii wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is Tim Brown is like having an ugly missus - she'll make you dinner, clean your car and give you a blow job every night but at the end of the day she's still ugly.
 
So she'd do everything you'd expect from a wife then?
 
I'd prefer that to the 'beautiful, missus, great to look at, doesn't cook, doesn't clean, gives you a BJ once a year if you're lucky, but she's still great to look at' version
 
Post of the year.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Hard News wrote:
Diego ?

(gag stolen from Wilso).
 
Leilei G**

Founder

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Jag wrote:
Ooo iii wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is Tim Brown is like having an ugly missus - she'll make you dinner, clean your car and give you a blow job every night but at the end of the day she's still ugly.

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So she'd do everything you'd expect from�a wife then?

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I'd prefer that to the 'beautiful, missus, great to look at, doesn't cook, doesn't clean, gives you a BJ once a year if you're lucky, but she's still great to look at' version


I'd take the hot one.

What can I say, I'm a very shallow and superficial person.
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A shallow, superficial and somewhat sexually frustrated person? With a dirty car! Jag2009-11-20 09:45:15

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Sounds about right.
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el grapadura wrote:
Jag wrote:
Ooo iii wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is Tim Brown is like having an ugly missus - she'll make you dinner, clean your car and give you a blow job every night but at the end of the day she's still ugly.

 

So she'd do everything you'd expect from a wife then?

 

I'd prefer that to the 'beautiful, missus, great to look at, doesn't cook, doesn't clean, gives you a BJ once a year if you're lucky, but she's still great to look at' version


I'd take the hot one.

What can I say, I'm a very shallow and superficial person.
 
you can always get a guest player

Founder

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Feverish wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Jag wrote:
Ooo iii wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is Tim Brown is like having an ugly missus - she'll make you dinner, clean your car and give you a blow job every night but at the end of the day she's still ugly.

 

So she'd do everything you'd expect from a wife then?

 

I'd prefer that to the 'beautiful, missus, great to look at, doesn't cook, doesn't clean, gives you a BJ once a year if you're lucky, but she's still great to look at' version


I'd take the hot one.

What can I say, I'm a very shallow and superficial person.
 
you can always get a guest player
 
  

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Ooo iii wrote:
Shogan wrote:
Leggy wrote:
chocnut wrote:
Yes, I'm sure that's what you meant but when you say "at least" it sounds as if that is the minimum number you watch and that sometimes it's even more than that.
As i said I watch all the A league games and at least one EPL game, and sometimes more.

 

Well thats good then your a loyal football fan.... and we are all football fans here so lets not start wars with each other over nothing..... now back to tim

 

i think he is amazing  


Tim Brown's stats from Sat night:-

Mins played 88
Passes Completed = 9
Passes Incompleted = 8
Passes Received = 4
Tackles = 10
Missed Tackles = 10
Freekicks Conceded = 3
Freekicks won = 1

Watch a replay of Sat night's game, for 90% of the time he is missing, doesn't come short for the ball at the back, hides when we have possession or makes a half hearted attempt to receive the ball and chases shadows. Well out of his depth in midfield and as the stats show gives the ball away as much as he keeps it and misses as many tackles as he makes. Anyone that thinks he "does a job" is obviously happy with mediocrity.






I feel pretty sad for you.

going to all that effort to get stats of one player you hate and expect your word to be taking as gospel.

but who am I to say what you do when your watching the replay of nz's greatest sporting achievements. 


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shambles_Baby wrote:
Ooo iii wrote:
Shogan wrote:
Leggy wrote:
chocnut wrote:
Yes, I'm sure that's what you meant but when you say "at least" it sounds as if that is the minimum number you watch and that sometimes it's even more than that.
As i said I watch all the A league games and at least one EPL game, and sometimes more.

 

Well thats good then your a loyal football fan.... and we are all football fans here so lets not start wars with each other over nothing..... now back to tim

 

i think he is amazing  


Tim Brown's stats from Sat night:-

Mins played 88
Passes Completed = 9
Passes Incompleted = 8
Passes Received = 4
Tackles = 10
Missed Tackles = 10
Freekicks Conceded = 3
Freekicks won = 1

Watch a replay of Sat night's game, for 90% of the time he is missing, doesn't come short for the ball at the back, hides when we have possession or makes a half hearted attempt to receive the ball and chases shadows. Well out of his depth in midfield and as the stats show gives the ball away as much as he keeps it and misses as many tackles as he makes. Anyone that thinks he "does a job" is obviously happy with mediocrity.






I feel pretty sad for you.

going to all that effort to get stats of one player you hate and expect your word to be taking as gospel.

but who am I to say what you do when your watching the replay of nz's greatest sporting achievements. 


I feel sorry for all the people that think Tim Brown is a class act!
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shambles_Baby wrote:

Ooo iii wrote:
Shogan wrote:
Leggy wrote:
chocnut wrote:
Yes, I'm sure that's what you meant but when you say "at least" it sounds as if that is the minimum number you watch and that sometimes it's even more than that.
As i said I watch all the A league games and at least one EPL game, and sometimes more.

�

Well thats good then your a loyal football fan.... and we are all football fans here so�lets not�start wars with each other over nothing..... now back to tim

�

i think he is amazing �


Tim Brown's stats from Sat night:-

Mins played 88
Passes Completed = 9
Passes Incompleted = 8
Passes Received = 4
Tackles = 10
Missed Tackles = 10
Freekicks Conceded = 3
Freekicks won = 1

Watch a replay of Sat night's game, for 90% of the time he is missing, doesn't come short for the ball at the back, hides when we have possession or makes a half hearted attempt to receive the ball and chases shadows. Well out of his depth in midfield and as the stats show gives the ball away as much as he keeps it and misses as many tackles as he makes. Anyone that thinks he "does a job" is obviously happy with mediocrity.





I feel pretty sad for you. going to all that effort to get stats of one player you hate and expect your word to be taking as gospel.but who am I to say what you do when your watching the replay of nz's greatest sporting achievements.�


I personally don't hate Tim Brown and don't expect people to take my word as gospel, just putting my view across that I think he's not as good as a lot of people on this forum make out and if I have to resort to stats to highlight it then so be it.
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Jag wrote:
Ooo iii wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is Tim Brown is like having an ugly missus - she'll make you dinner, clean your car and give you a blow job every night but at the end of the day she's still ugly.

�

So she'd do everything you'd expect from�a wife then?

�

I'd prefer that to the 'beautiful, missus, great to look at, doesn't cook, doesn't clean, gives you a BJ once a year if you're lucky, but she's still great to look at' version


The one good thing about having an ugly missus is no one else wants to shag her which, for all you Tim Brown fans out there, probably means he will be a Phoenix player for a few more years yet.
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There's always somebody who'll be interested in an ugly bird who does the business....

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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A mum joke would be ideal
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Jag wrote:
There's always somebody who'll be interested in an ugly bird who does the business....
 
Ian Holloway's classic "Bird in a taxi" story??
 
It's easy to use stats to move the argument your way. But what out other  issues such as work off the ball, dragging the opposition players out of position, closing down the space and options for the opposition to exploit??
 
The Timinator did this in midfield. he does it at the Phoenix games. Perhaps because he isn't standing out, that he might just be getting on and doing the job asked of him.
Lonegunmen2009-12-20 11:18:49
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Goal.com claimed that he was maybe to energetic  perhaps. Trying to do to much. Which is strange  when he is being accused off doing too little and not standing out.

TBH im yet to see why he deserves the criticism. Also I don't overly rate him I just give credit to a hard working player.   shambles_Baby2009-11-20 11:55:35
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shambles_Baby wrote:

I feel pretty sad for you.

going to all that effort to get stats of one player you hate and expect your word to be taking as gospel.

but who am I to say what you do when your watching the replay of nz's greatest sporting achievements. 


I feel sad for you, too caught up in a moment to actually objectively analyse a teams performance.

As cultured as Che Bunce's left foot and as profilic as John Lammers

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sawu wrote:
shambles_Baby wrote:

I feel pretty sad for you.

going to all that effort to get stats of one player you hate and expect your word to be taking as gospel.

but who am I to say what you do when your watching the replay of nz's greatest sporting achievements. 


I feel sad for you, too caught up in a moment to actually objectively analyse a teams performance.
 
Watching one player for 90 minutes in an attempt to gather stats to back up a less than glowing opinion of him is hardly obectively analysing a team performance though, is it?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Lonegunmen wrote:
Jag wrote:
There's always somebody who'll be interested in an ugly bird who does the business....
 
Ian Holloway's classic "Bird in a taxi" story??
 
It's easy to use stats to move the argument your way. But what out other  issues such as work off the ball, dragging the opposition players out of position, closing down the space and options for the opposition to exploit??
 
The Tim-enator did this in midfield. he does it at the Phoenix games. Perhaps because he isn't standing out, that he might just be getting on and doing the job asked of him.
 
Maybe that is all he has been asked to do but surely he can be proactive and do MORE than what he is asked and actually go looking for the ball when we have possession.
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SEA-gull!!!
E + R + O

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Jag wrote:

Watching one player for 90 minutes in an attempt to gather stats to back up a less than glowing opinion of him is hardly obectively analysing a team performance though, is it?

So, you're then saying that it's impossible for anyone with ANY pre-existing opinion on any player to make any valid analysis of a player or team?

As cultured as Che Bunce's left foot and as profilic as John Lammers

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sawu wrote:
Jag wrote:

Watching one player for 90 minutes in an attempt to gather stats to back up a less than glowing opinion of him is hardly obectively analysing a team performance though, is it?

So, you're then saying that it's impossible for anyone with ANY pre-existing opinion on any player to make any valid analysis of a player or team?
 
If you actually read what I said, you will answer your own question.
 
I'll say it again though. Focussing ALL your attention on ONE player for 90 minutes cannot, by definition, give you a valid analysis of a TEAM performance. It could provide a valid analysis of the performance of ONE player.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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somebody mentioned goal.com ratings. they are a complete joke. please never regard them with any credibility. they just make stuff up and pump it out as fast as they can. terrible.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
Jag wrote:
There's always somebody who'll be interested in an ugly bird who does the business....
It's easy to use stats to move the argument your way. But what out other  issues such as work off the ball, dragging the opposition players out of position, closing down the space and options for the opposition to exploit??
 
The Tim-enator did this in midfield. he does it at the Phoenix games. Perhaps because he isn't standing out, that he might just be getting on and doing the job asked of him.
 
Spot on LG.
 
I've criticized Brown in the past.  He has played poorly for us in a few games and deserved his criticism, but he's been great for most of this season.  If we are to make a whole huge thread criticizing average performers there's a number of players that should go ahead of Brown.
loyalgunner2009-11-20 18:10:12
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Such as Ferrante and Diego (could prove us wrong this week mind).

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The focus shouldnt be on Tim its not him that selects himself. From some of the comments here it seems Ricki just has it way wrong.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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simon_hampton wrote:

Such as Ferrante and�Diego (could prove us wrong this week mind).



Haha no, I think Ferrante has had his fair share of average threads.
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Ooo iii wrote:
shambles_Baby wrote:

Ooo iii wrote:
Shogan wrote:
Leggy wrote:
chocnut wrote:
Yes, I'm sure that's what you meant but when you say "at least" it sounds as if that is the minimum number you watch and that sometimes it's even more than that.
As i said I watch all the A league games and at least one EPL game, and sometimes more.

 

Well thats good then your a loyal football fan.... and we are all football fans here so lets not start wars with each other over nothing..... now back to tim

 

i think he is amazing  


Tim Brown's stats from Sat night:-

Mins played 88
Passes Completed = 9
Passes Incompleted = 8
Passes Received = 4
Tackles = 10
Missed Tackles = 10
Freekicks Conceded = 3
Freekicks won = 1

Watch a replay of Sat night's game, for 90% of the time he is missing, doesn't come short for the ball at the back, hides when we have possession or makes a half hearted attempt to receive the ball and chases shadows. Well out of his depth in midfield and as the stats show gives the ball away as much as he keeps it and misses as many tackles as he makes. Anyone that thinks he "does a job" is obviously happy with mediocrity.





I feel pretty sad for you. going to all that effort to get stats of one player you hate and expect your word to be taking as gospel.but who am I to say what you do when your watching the replay of nz's greatest sporting achievements. 


I personally don't hate Tim Brown and don't expect people to take my word as gospel, just putting my view across that I think he's not as good as a lot of people on this forum make out and if I have to resort to stats to highlight it then so be it.
 
No one has called him an amazing player (except shogan),but surely there is no doubt he does his 'ugly' job very well. That and hes the best we've got to do that job.

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i hadnt come into this thread, but now that i have i cant believe what im seeing.
 
Brown has been excellent for the most part this year, excellent. He has a great engine, never stops all day. And for a defensive mid he pops up in great goalscoring positions all the time - he's bagged more goals than what i've expected of him so far this season.
 
He's awesome and i love him.
 
Give him a break naysayers!
paulm2009-11-21 00:27:13
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I think Brown does a great job for both club and country! He works his bollocks of defensivly. One stat that might be interesting would be the amount of running he does in a match. I think you should do stats on Lochhead, i would say he gives the ball away more regularly, and aslo gets caught ball watching. He is lucky no one else has a left foot (club and country)
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