I am not saying Russia and China are so noble and good but are you not aware that the USA has overthrown/couped dozens of governments over the last 70 years? Almost always because of naked self interest and very rarely for any great ideals or with any altruism. It is silly to view them as a categorical other. Ryan
We're under constant attack by Russia and China who are trying to undermine liberal democracies world over
I am not saying Russia and China are so noble and good but are you not aware that the USA has overthrown/couped dozens of governments over the last 70 years? Almost always because of naked self interest and very rarely for any great ideals or with any altruism. It is silly to view them as a categorical other. Ryan
We're under constant attack by Russia and China who are trying to undermine liberal democracies world over
The bad old days of the CIA's proxy, the innocous sounding United Fruit Company (UFC). Or "El Pulpo" (the octopus) as the Latinos called it.
Thankfully those days are over. Most Venzuelans are actually hoping like hell Trump sends his troops into Caracas and topples Maduro. Certainly nearly all of the estimated 8 million economic refugees who have had to leave Venezuela during his dictatorship. The Don would want a slice of their oli industry, but at least they would be on the long road back to having a functioning country.
Sadly for them it's likely a false hope. Best they might get you think is another coup attempt against Maduro by some of his own military officers.
All of which has strong ties to Domey's failure to get the Nix into the OFC League.
Lol, sorry mate, must be a glitch at your end, I definitely don’t have the technical know how for that. I have trouble turning my ipad on and off.martinb
Napier Phoenix
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I feel like Napier’s main goal in this thread is to see how long a quote he can make before we all go nuts! Almost achieved sir.
There was A LOT of excessively quoted text above. It got to the point where it was running down the centre of my screen one character at a time. It’s only circumstantial evidence, but you are a known pisstaker.
you're extremely naiive if you think the CIA and the USA more generally aren't to this very day trying to overthrow several regimes. Good news for the world is they are getting worse at it. Just because they only officially admit to things 30 years later doesn't mean they aren't still doing it
Edit: in fairness, i guess you are specifically referring to one thing and not the wider phemomenon there coochiee
imanixsupporter
I am not saying Russia and China are so noble and good but are you not aware that the USA has overthrown/couped dozens of governments over the last 70 years? Almost always because of naked self interest and very rarely for any great ideals or with any altruism. It is silly to view them as a categorical other. Ryan
We're under constant attack by Russia and China who are trying to undermine liberal democracies world over
The bad old days of the CIA's proxy, the innocous sounding United Fruit Company (UFC). Or "El Pulpo" (the octopus) as the Latinos called it.
Thankfully those days are over. Most Venzuelans are actually hoping like hell Trump sends his troops into Caracas and topples Maduro. Certainly nearly all of the estimated 8 million economic refugees who have had to leave Venezuela during his dictatorship. The Don would want a slice of their oli industry, but at least they would be on the long road back to having a functioning country.
Sadly for them it's likely a flase hope. Best they might get you think is another coup attempt against Maduro by some of his own military officers.
All of which has strong ties to Domey's failure to get the Nix into the OFC League.
I'm no fan of the PRC regime but tbf Comrade Xi's not far off the US President on any of those things. I think the Western liberal democracies are under internal threat worse than anything coming out of Beijing, or Moscow for that matter. Many people think Russian spooks have caused the rise of global fascism - nah, they're just taking advantage
it immediately made me think of a sarcastic remark made by one of the old Soviet leaders (I think it was attributed to Nikita Khrushchev but I might be wrong): "Fight you? We do not have to fight you. We will bury you" (= "We shall be present at your funeral").
you're extremely naiive if you think the CIA and the USA more generally aren't to this very day trying to overthrow several regimes. Good news for the world is they are getting worse at it. Just because they only officially admit to things 30 years later doesn't mean they aren't still doing it
Edit: in fairness, i guess you are specifically referring to one thing and not the wider phemomenon there coochiee
imanixsupporter
I am not saying Russia and China are so noble and good but are you not aware that the USA has overthrown/couped dozens of governments over the last 70 years? Almost always because of naked self interest and very rarely for any great ideals or with any altruism. It is silly to view them as a categorical other. Ryan
We're under constant attack by Russia and China who are trying to undermine liberal democracies world over
The bad old days of the CIA's proxy, the innocous sounding United Fruit Company (UFC). Or "El Pulpo" (the octopus) as the Latinos called it.
Thankfully those days are over. Most Venzuelans are actually hoping like hell Trump sends his troops into Caracas and topples Maduro. Certainly nearly all of the estimated 8 million economic refugees who have had to leave Venezuela during his dictatorship. The Don would want a slice of their oli industry, but at least they would be on the long road back to having a functioning country.
Sadly for them it's likely a flase hope. Best they might get you think is another coup attempt against Maduro by some of his own military officers.
All of which has strong ties to Domey's failure to get the Nix into the OFC League.
Well I don’t think regime change in Iran or Venezuela would be a bad thing. Even Cuba which I’ve visited for a month really now needs to move on from the Castros.
This is all very different to meddling to overthrow democratically elected Allende in Chile. Or the other host of Latino or African left leaning leaders they brought down, to replace with a corrupt military dictatorship. Those days are basically over.
Can the CIA overthrow the Wellington Phoenix Men’s coaching staff regime please? Someone get Chief a green bush shirt and a cigar, that should convince them
Noriega being deposed by Reagan, has worked out pretty well for the average Panamanian. Visited a few years ago and it's far far from perfect, but on the whole the locals are pretty content. By the standards of Latin America good level health and education systems. Low crime. The observers say free and fair elections
Helps of course to have the canal as such a big revenue earner. But could basket case Venezula with all it's oil, be a larger version Panama in 20 years if it was sayonara Maduro? Maybe.
Edit - some trivia. Panama is the only country outside Israel to have more than one Jewish faith person to be head of state. Or so I read. There is quite a Jewish community in sweaty Panama City. Follow the shekels
Edit 2 - it is awhile ago now but I'd suggest the regime changes that the US helped bring at the end of WWII, were on the whole, for the better of humanity.
Can the CIA overthrow the Wellington Phoenix Men’s coaching staff regime please? Someone get Chief a green bush shirt and a cigar, that should convince them
Noriega being deposed by Reagan, has worked out pretty well for the average Panamanian. Visited a few years ago and it's far far from perfect, but on the whole the locals are pretty content. By the standards of Latin America good level health and education systems. Low crime. The observers say free and fair elections
Helps of course to have the canal as such a big revenue earner. But could basket case Venezula with all it's oil, be a larger version Panama in 20 years if it was sayonara Maduro? Maybe.
Edit - some trivia. Panama is the only country outside Israel to have more than one Jewish faith person to be head of state. Or so I read. There is quite a Jewish community in sweaty Panama City. Follow the shekels
Edit 2 - it is awhile ago now but I'd suggest the regime changes that the US helped bring at the end of WWII, were on the whole, for the better of humanity.
On that note (re Panama) I think that the country with the largest Jewish population (per capita, not absolute) would probably be France or UK, after USA. However, for sheer visibility, Argentina would be quite high on that list, very visible in large urban areas, among educated middle class, etc. There are more psychotherapists per capita in Buenos Aires than anywhere outside East Coast USA, I reckon, which is a good rule of thumb. But I do not think that filters to the political life specifically.
Argentinian Jews have a long political history.. not including the current president Javier Milei who isnt Jewish per say but is very fond of Judaism and one point tried to convert, while the minister of Labour is an Orthedox Jewish man called Sergio Bergman. The foreign minister under the Kirchner years was Héctor Timerman, a son of Holocaust survivors. Also in sport, Argentinian Jews have been prominent, former Argentina & Colombia coach Jose Pekerman is Jewish, and the captain of the 2006 team, Juan Pablo Sorin was also Jewish, and who can forget "the Wall" Walter Samuel, a wonderful, physical yet elegant centre back in his day born to Polish Jewish parents. Also tennis player, Diego Schwartman. The most important football commentator/journalist in Argentina, which is a big title considering there is so many, Hernan Fellar, is an Orthodox Jewish man whose father was the chief rabbi of Argentina for years.. Source: I am 4th generation Argentinian Jew, whose family moved from Syria to Argentina in the 1920s :)
Mainland FC
coochiee
Not always so.
Noriega being deposed by Reagan, has worked out pretty well for the average Panamanian. Visited a few years ago and it's far far from perfect, but on the whole the locals are pretty content. By the standards of Latin America good level health and education systems. Low crime. The observers say free and fair elections
Helps of course to have the canal as such a big revenue earner. But could basket case Venezula with all it's oil, be a larger version Panama in 20 years if it was sayonara Maduro? Maybe.
Edit - some trivia. Panama is the only country outside Israel to have more than one Jewish faith person to be head of state. Or so I read. There is quite a Jewish community in sweaty Panama City. Follow the shekels
Edit 2 - it is awhile ago now but I'd suggest the regime changes that the US helped bring at the end of WWII, were on the whole, for the better of humanity.
On that note (re Panama) I think that the country with the largest Jewish population (per capita, not absolute) would probably be France or UK, after USA. However, for sheer visibility, Argentina would be quite high on that list, very visible in large urban areas, among educated middle class, etc. There are more psychotherapists per capita in Buenos Aires than anywhere outside East Coast USA, I reckon, which is a good rule of thumb. But I do not think that filters to the political life specifically.
Jewish popn in BA is apparently the world's 6th largest outside of Israel. It's a big reason why the Mossad managed to pull off the absolutely brilliant kidnapping of Adolf Eichman. Lots of Jewish folk on the ground in BA who could help out with safe houses etc.
Was wandering around the Recoleta area of BA (near where Evita is buried) late Dec last year, and popped into a Jewish bakery for some sort of pastry.
Edit - I really enjoyed the Netflix series 'The Spy', with Sacha Baron Cohen playing the famous & incredibly fearles Mossad agent Eli Cohen, an Egyptian Jew. Cohen first managed to infilitrate into the Syrian elite by hanging out at Syrian embassy parties in BA. When caught years later by the Syrians in Damascus, he was very publicly hanged in the main square there.
Yes, next to the suburb of Villa Crespo.. next to the cemetery is the stadium of Club Atletico Atlanta, who have big support in the Jewish community, they’re currently in the second division. coochiee
Jewish popn in BA is apparently the world's 6th largest outside of Israel. It's a big reason why the Mossad managed to pull off the absolutely brilliant kidnapping of Adolf Eichman. Lots of Jewish folk on the ground in BA who could help out with safe houses etc.
Was wandering around the Recoleta area of BA (near where Evita is buried) late Dec last year, and popped into a Jewish bakery for some sort of pastry.
Can the CIA overthrow the Wellington Phoenix Men’s coaching staff regime please? Someone get Chief a green bush shirt and a cigar, that should convince them
I'm sure Hallensteins have a range
Johnny Bigg’s new sandinista collection looks appealing
Lol, sorry mate, must be a glitch at your end, I definitely don’t have the technical know how for that. I have trouble turning my ipad on and off.martinb
Napier Phoenix
Me?martinb
I feel like Napier’s main goal in this thread is to see how long a quote he can make before we all go nuts! Almost achieved sir.
There was A LOT of excessively quoted text above. It got to the point where it was running down the centre of my screen one character at a time. It’s only circumstantial evidence, but you are a known pisstaker.
Oh- it’s just something that happens because I’m on a phone screen and someone’s replied to a long reply using the reply button. Disappointed it wasn’t a master plan. For me, if you look at the quoted text above the more replies there are the more the text gets squashed in the middle of the screen and you have to scroll a long way to get to the reply.
Noriega being deposed by Reagan, has worked out pretty well for the average Panamanian. Visited a few years ago and it's far far from perfect, but on the whole the locals are pretty content. By the standards of Latin America good level health and education systems. Low crime. The observers say free and fair elections
Helps of course to have the canal as such a big revenue earner. But could basket case Venezula with all it's oil, be a larger version Panama in 20 years if it was sayonara Maduro? Maybe.
Edit - some trivia. Panama is the only country outside Israel to have more than one Jewish faith person to be head of state. Or so I read. There is quite a Jewish community in sweaty Panama City. Follow the shekels
Edit 2 - it is awhile ago now but I'd suggest the regime changes that the US helped bring at the end of WWII, were on the whole, for the better of humanity.
I think Germany was pretty happy to be liberated by the USA. So much that they flew from east to west because they knew the Russian where "less cool".
If the point of the Australian club in the comp is to oppose the CCP then presumably they should have picked a side a little more amenable to influence. South Melbourne fighting for their professional existence are going to be winning games 12-0, DFAT won’t like that for friendly relations. But with one or two brown envelopes all it would have taken for the Pacific sides to notch up a few big wins would have been to admit Macarthur FC.
Not sure your history is entirely accurate there.number8
coochiee
Not always so.
Noriega being deposed by Reagan, has worked out pretty well for the average Panamanian. Visited a few years ago and it's far far from perfect, but on the whole the locals are pretty content. By the standards of Latin America good level health and education systems. Low crime. The observers say free and fair elections
Helps of course to have the canal as such a big revenue earner. But could basket case Venezula with all it's oil, be a larger version Panama in 20 years if it was sayonara Maduro? Maybe.
Edit - some trivia. Panama is the only country outside Israel to have more than one Jewish faith person to be head of state. Or so I read. There is quite a Jewish community in sweaty Panama City. Follow the shekels
Edit 2 - it is awhile ago now but I'd suggest the regime changes that the US helped bring at the end of WWII, were on the whole, for the better of humanity.
I think Germany was pretty happy to be liberated by the USA. So much that they flew from east to west because they knew the Russian where "less cool".
it is a fact that in the last days of the WWII German unit commanders would offer surrender on the Western front as long as they do not have to surrender to the Russians. I understand the Allies declined a partial deal, since Russians were also allies.
Yeah Hitler and even some of his generals right into the last few days, lived in a fantasy land whereby they believed they could negotiate a partial surrender to the Western allies, before all joining forces to fight the Bolshevik hordes coming from the East.
Like the Brits, Americans and French would just forgive them for starting the war and subsequent crimes over the next 6 odd years. Delusional.
Struggling to think of a football connection between May 1945, BA's Jewish community, Castro, Chiefy's dress sense, Venezuela, the CCP, and Davey Dome. Must be one somewhere.
Yeah Hitler and even some of his generals right into the last few days, lived in a fantasy land whereby they believed they could negotiate a partial surrender to the Western allies, before all joining forces to fight the Bolshevik hordes coming from the East.
Like the Brits, Americans and French would just forgive them for starting the war and subsequent crimes over the next 6 odd years. Delusional.
Struggling to think of a football connection between May 1945, BA's Jewish community, Castro, Chiefy's dress sense, Venezuela, the CCP, and Davey Dome. Must be one somewhere.
The Americans could have pushed on to Berlin themselves but in the spirit of sportsmanship, they held back and let the Red Army take a running start at the Führerbunker
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009 This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
The Americans could have pushed on to Berlin themselves but in the spirit of sportsmanship, they held back and let the Red Army take a running start at the Führerbunker
There is more fun in liberating French and Italian wine regions, or the German Rhine / Moselle regions with their excellent white wine, than taking one's chances over the East German potato and beet growing area.
