All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
Anybody ever seen N Emblen in a suit? On TV? Behind a mike in front of assembled media? Just wondering...
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
I must admit I find Emblen's comments a little unusual.
From what I know, he has not gotten his licence because of the cost. Waitakere would not pay for it and Springs wont on the off chance he gets the top gig and leaves (thus paying for something they cannot use)
The reality is, he will have to bite the bullet and get it done at some point. A little bit of enthusiasm for the role would be a good look for him. He may not be a guy that's big on the hoop jumping thing but you don't make comments like 'I have not applied/they know where I am/I'm happy to be a bone to someone elses dog'. He doesn't need to be arrogant about it but something like 'I've enjoyed this two game stint and would like to stick with it if the national body will have me' would be a better look for him.
Mind you, this is the just the stuff in the public and the message could well be different behind closed doors. I ask if I was an overseas guy looking to apply for this job and all the noise is that they temporary man is more than likely to get the job, would I be inclined to go to the trouble of applying?
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I must admit I find Emblen's comments a little unusual.
From what I know, he has not gotten his licence because of the cost. Waitakere would not pay for it and Springs wont on the off chance he gets the top gig and leaves (thus paying for something they cannot use)
The reality is, he will have to bite the bullet and get it done at some point. A little bit of enthusiasm for the role would be a good look for him. He may not be a guy that's big on the hoop jumping thing but you don't make comments like 'I have not applied/they know where I am/I'm happy to be a bone to someone elses dog'. He doesn't need to be arrogant about it but something like 'I've enjoyed this two game stint and would like to stick with it if the national body will have me' would be a better look for him.
Mind you, this is the just the stuff in the public and the message could well be different behind closed doors. I ask if I was an overseas guy looking to apply for this job and all the noise is that they temporary man is more than likely to get the job, would I be inclined to go to the trouble of applying?
Applying for a job you've been doing for a while makes no sense to me.
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It seems to me like some people are taking his comments about not applying way out of context. Didn't he just say he hadn't put an application in yet, and at that point applications still hadn't closed?
Applying for a job you've been doing for a while makes no sense to me.
He's only a caretaker at the moment and he'd need to apply if he wants the permanent job otherwise it makes a mockery of the selection system. But of course he's not qualified for the role because he lacks the Uefa A coaching badge.
If he gets the support job, NZF might help him get those qualifications.
Gary van Egmond anyone?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10119039/Gary-van-Egmond-keen-to-coach-All-Whites
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Gary van Egmond anyone?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10119039/Gary-van-Egmond-keen-to-coach-All-Whites
It's interesting to see how his reputation has collapsed - even when he was signed back to the Jets there were naysayers, better than Farina but not much of a step up on Emblem you wouldn't think.
We should be aiming higher than that - it has to be an apealing position for either a hungry coach who wants to make a name for himself on the world stage with our very real chance of qualifying to the world cup in Russia or an experienced coach who is looking for a place without the stress of the top level of football but still can make a difference.
There would only be one or two a-league coaches i'd want coaching the NZ national team. Ones that haven't been fired funnily enough...
I still haven't heard a better realistic option than either Ramon or Emblen or some combination of the two. I know people say we should aim higher but the candidates who've made themselves public seem to indicate the level we can afford or expect, and van Egmond, Farina, or Rufer don't exactly get the pulses racing.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Yeah should be aiming higher than a-league definitely.
Emblem seems to be someone that has failed upwards and might do a good job but doesn't have the ambition to really kick on. We want someone who is going to push our players hard and get us to another world cup.
Emblem might be comfortable for everyone, but that's not going to do it - there is the potential for a golden generation to come through but we need the people to manage that.
Ramon might be good - but why has he settled for head coach of acfc rather than an assistant coach in a professional league? Seems to me he lacks ambition as well. Sure he applies for the Phoenix and the All Whites, but why is he here in the first place?
The job just isn't that appealing though. F-all games, most of them against minnows; an employer that's got a history of shambolic management and preparation; not much pay; key players who possibly will be injured all the time. As I see it about the only things going for it are the chance of coaching against the big boys at the confeds cup and the outside chance of qualifying for the WC. If you were a coach witha good record at a level above the a league why would you want this job?
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Well the caliber of coaches that are being discussed here are also the caliber of coaches that countries like Papua New Guinea get - we should be able to attract significantly better coaches than PNG.
There are probably tons of coaches who are assistants to youth teams at the top of the premier league, or serie a or whatever that are frustrated with their lack of career momentum.
Confederations cup + world cup is a fairly big carrot - and might be worth four years out of footballs limelight, who knows how competitive it is out there.
Out of the options discussed I think a punt on Ramon is the best bet. Everyone else tabled is just lacking something.
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The job just isn't that appealing though. F-all games, most of them against minnows; an employer that's got a history of shambolic management and preparation; not much pay; key players who possibly will be injured all the time. As I see it about the only things going for it are the chance of coaching against the big boys at the confeds cup and the outside chance of qualifying for the WC. If you were a coach witha good record at a level above the a league why would you want this job?
That would also make the job ideal....play teams we usually beat. Lose to teams we are not expected to beat...could be a great job for a washed up coach.
Out of the options discussed I think a punt on Ramon is the best bet. Everyone else tabled is just lacking something.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
In reply to Ryan
From memory Ramon first came out here in the late 90s to play for Central United in the national league, but broke his leg early doors.
Anyone see this coming?
'Former All White Ivan Vicelich is on the four-strong selection panel to pick the next national coach.
The most-capped footballer in New Zealand history, Vicelich retired from international duty in January. He continues to play for Auckland City under Spanish coach Ramon Tribulietx - who has applied for the All Whites job.'
Its interesting for sure. I commend them having a player (ex player) involved but is he perhaps too close to the candidates assuming Ramon and Neil both made the last 6? Is he the right player to be involved?
I would have chosen Tim Brown. Played a high level, educated, has been involved with the PFA....
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Must have been invited on. Andy Martin's doing IMO. Good move IMO.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Must have been invited on. Andy Martin's doing IMO. Good move IMO.
I disagree. What is going to happen if Ramon gets the job? Think of what would happen if it were any other job and a current employee of a leading candidate was on the interview panel. Surely that's an HR department's nightmare.
Hence why I asked if Ivan is the right man to be there.
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Must have been invited on. Andy Martin's doing IMO. Good move IMO.
I disagree. What is going to happen if Ramon gets the job? Think of what would happen if it were any other job and a current employee of a leading candidate was on the interview panel. Surely that's an HR department's nightmare.
He's also been coached by Emblem so should be able to provide comparisons between the two. Probably highlights that it is likely down to those two.
Must have been invited on. Andy Martin's doing IMO. Good move IMO.
I disagree. What is going to happen if Ramon gets the job? Think of what would happen if it were any other job and a current employee of a leading candidate was on the interview panel. Surely that's an HR department's nightmare.
He's also been coached by Emblem so should be able to provide comparisons between the two. Probably highlights that it is likely down to those two.
Must have been invited on. Andy Martin's doing IMO. Good move IMO.
I disagree. What is going to happen if Ramon gets the job? Think of what would happen if it were any other job and a current employee of a leading candidate was on the interview panel. Surely that's an HR department's nightmare.
He's also been coached by Emblem so should be able to provide comparisons between the two. Probably highlights that it is likely down to those two.
But Emblen doesn't have the required coaching badge which applicants had to have to even be considered for the job.
Must have been invited on. Andy Martin's doing IMO. Good move IMO.
I disagree. What is going to happen if Ramon gets the job? Think of what would happen if it were any other job and a current employee of a leading candidate was on the interview panel. Surely that's an HR department's nightmare.
He's also been coached by Emblem so should be able to provide comparisons between the two. Probably highlights that it is likely down to those two.
But Emblen doesn't have the required coaching badge which applicants had to have to even be considered for the job.
Thought it was or equivalent experience.
But Emblem hasn't even applied and has said he wants to be an assistant.
Story on stuff says he has applied.
Also while the badges we're listed as a requirement, I'm sure that could be waved if there was a plan put in place to undertake them in the near future.
Sounds like Ramon and Neil both did NZ Senior 3 ( our equivalent) prior to application but were waiting for results
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Sounds like Ramon and Neil both did NZ Senior 3 ( our equivalent) prior to application but were waiting for results
Surely they should be chasing UEFA Pro A not NZ Senior 3. Does anyone have any goss on the bloke from the AIS?
Sounds like Ramon and Neil both did NZ Senior 3 ( our equivalent) prior to application but were waiting for results
Surely they should be chasing UEFA Pro A not NZ Senior 3. Does anyone have any goss on the bloke from the AIS?
Not saying I don't agree, but I know people with all the certificates that I would not trust with midgets.
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i really hope Noah. Hickey applies and brings in Martin Devlin as his assistant. Those two have an amazing knowledge of world football and that can only benefit the game in NZ...
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In the UK press today it says that Terry Butcher, Iain Dowie and Laurie Sanchez all applied for the NZ job and are thought to be among the final six on the shortlist. I mentioned that Sanchez would be a great candidate six months ago and hope he gets the job!
Sanchez impressed in charge of Northern Ireland several years ago leading 'Norn Iron' to victories over England, Spain and Sweden to name but a few and scored the iconic winning goal in the 1988 FA Cup final as Wimbledon beat Liverpool 1-0.
Dowie also played for Northern Ireland in the 1990's before going on to manage Charlton, QPR and Crystal Palace
Former England international Butcher had a short spell in charge of Sydney a few years back and has done reasonably well coaching in Scotland, before getting the boot following Hibs shock relegation in May.
Sanchez or Butcher would do well in my opinion.
English based All Whites fan! Would love to watch an All White game one day.