This gem from Tegel on the "Yellow Fever Merchandise" thread with a suggestion for a kids T-shirt.
Please do it!
April 09, 2017 6:57pm #11
'Hudson just called me up to the All Whites' kids Tees
Anthony Hudson (FAT Technical Director | Thailand)
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I like Hudson and hope he and the team does well with future fixtures
Here here!
I like Hudson and hope he and the team does well with future fixtures
Here here!
As opposed to somewhere else??
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
I like Hudson and hope he and the team does well with future fixtures
Here here!
As opposed to somewhere else??
Not at this stage, I will reserve my judgement after Confederations
I like Hudson and hope he and the team does well with future fixtures
Here here!
As opposed to somewhere else??
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COYN I like Hudson and hope he and the team does well with future fixtures
Here here!
As opposed to somewhere else??
Not at this stage, I will reserve my judgement after Confederations
But it is possible for you to see what he's done so far and judge it, is it not?
Good article that.
As bizarre as Hudson can be with certain things, I love that he appears to be such a hard worker in terms of preparation and planning. This bit of the article in particular fills me with optimism for the confederations cup;
Hudson has a long checklist. Each member of his coaching team has been allocated an opponent to study in depth (beginning with Northern Ireland, Belarus and Russia) as the New Zealand camp can't leave anything to chance.
"We have so much to do," said Hudson, as he glances at a checklist with bullet points including 'Style of play', 'Killing games off', 'Adaptability', 'Fittest team' and 'Team culture'.
"I said to the staff - we have to work harder than any other staff in the tournament, just as the price of entry," said Hudson. "But you get out what you put in."
This is Anthony's day job, of course.
He needs to log 40-plus hours a week doing something apart from polishing his wikipedia page.
It's not like he's working more hours than, say, a dairy owner, or, erm, a housewife.
On the positive side, good to be getting these sort of things done while he has a chance... be complicated if, say, he suddenly found himself trying to do all this stuff while bogged down with a legal spat or such like.
" Cabo, who are fifth in the League of Ireland’s second tier "
This Cabinteely FC aren't even in the top division of the League of Ireland. What a strange practise matchup that is.
This is Anthony's day job, of course.
He needs to log 40-plus hours a week doing something apart from polishing his wikipedia page.
It's not like he's working more hours than, say, a dairy owner, or, erm, a housewife.
On the positive side, good to be getting these sort of things done while he has a chance... be complicated if, say, he suddenly found himself trying to do all this stuff while bogged down with a legal spat or such like.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
"We have so much to do," said Hudson, as he glances at a checklist with bullet points including 'Style of play', 'Killing games off', 'Adaptability', 'Fittest team' and 'Team culture'.
Someone put an R-18 warning on this.
Good article that.
I thought Burgess was better than that, but apparently not.
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do you think he is media whoring?
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To be fair Burgess can only run with what he gets from them and if he runs with something that Hudson doesn't like he will never get another interview as we know Hudson is somewhat sensitive to what's written about his team. Burgess only really covers League and Football, meaning there's only about a handful of teams he'll interact with in the country so he has to keep the relationships. Piney does the same with the nix!
Fuck this stupid game
To be fair Burgess can only run with what he gets from them and if he runs with something that Hudson doesn't like he will never get another interview as we know Hudson is somewhat sensitive to what's written about his team. Burgess only really covers League and Football, meaning there's only about a handful of teams he'll interact with in the country so he has to keep the relationships. Piney does the same with the nix!
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
Good article that.
I thought Burgess was better than that, but apparently not.
Yeah screw that guy for publishing direct quotes. He's posted a factual article, just because it favours one party doesn't make it bad.
Not every sports piece has to be investigative journalism and there's nothing wrong with a story reported from the point of view of one of the parties. Feel free to write one yourself on the other side of the spectrum.
You only have an issue with this because you dislike Hudson already, there's nothing wrong with that article at all.
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Good article that.
I thought Burgess was better than that, but apparently not.
Yeah screw that guy for publishing direct quotes. He's posted a factual article, just because it favours one party doesn't make it bad.
Not every sports piece has to be investigative journalism and there's nothing wrong with a story reported from the point of view of one of the parties. Feel free to write one yourself on the other side of the spectrum.
You only have an issue with this because you dislike Hudson already, there's nothing wrong with that article at all.
There is no news value in it. He has a checklist? So does my mum when she goes shopping.
Good article that.
I thought Burgess was better than that, but apparently not.
Yeah screw that guy for publishing direct quotes. He's posted a factual article, just because it favours one party doesn't make it bad.
Not every sports piece has to be investigative journalism and there's nothing wrong with a story reported from the point of view of one of the parties. Feel free to write one yourself on the other side of the spectrum.
You only have an issue with this because you dislike Hudson already, there's nothing wrong with that article at all.
There is no news value in it. He has a checklist? So does my mum when she goes shopping.
I disagree. Meeting with All Blacks' and Crusaders' coaching staff is interesting to me, it provides further information about Confeds Cup fixtures that readers may otherwise not have known, and at the very least it serves to show that he's competent in his job - something a lot on here don't seem to agree with (contrary to the opinions of the players in the actual squad).
Sure there's a pro-Hudson slant, but every article has an agenda so I don't see why this one is worth getting your knickers in a twist over.
Valley FC til I die?
Good article that.
I thought Burgess was better than that, but apparently not.
Yeah screw that guy for publishing direct quotes. He's posted a factual article, just because it favours one party doesn't make it bad.
Not every sports piece has to be investigative journalism and there's nothing wrong with a story reported from the point of view of one of the parties. Feel free to write one yourself on the other side of the spectrum.
You only have an issue with this because you dislike Hudson already, there's nothing wrong with that article at all.
There is no news value in it. He has a checklist? So does my mum when she goes shopping.
I disagree. Meeting with All Blacks' and Crusaders' coaching staff is interesting to me, it provides further information about Confeds Cup fixtures that readers may otherwise not have known, and at the very least it serves to show that he's competent in his job - something a lot on here don't seem to agree with (contrary to the opinions of the players in the actual squad).
Sure there's a pro-Hudson slant, but every article has an agenda so I don't see why this one is worth getting your knickers in a twist over.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Time and again where hear from the senior AWs players how impressed they are are with level of planning and prep Hudson & co do, and detailed info players are provided with via emails etc before they go into camp. This praise indicates that, either
1. Previous Herbert regime (handicapped of course by also coaching the Nix) & NZF in general were pretty incompetent compared to current regime, and/or
2. Current regime are actually bloody good with the level of planning etc, to the point even the European pros at highly resourced clubs, with shark loads of backroom staff etc - are well impressed with AWs current setup.
So to me Hudson & co do look competent with at least the planning element of AWs coaching. He's had a few years now to tinker with players, check out NZ scene, do this & that. He'll now be judged on Confeds Cup & the South American playoff games. Based on those USA & Mexico games late last year, is some room for optimism - provided colossus Reid esp (only games he's played under Hudson were those 2 matches), and the other top pros are ALL available.
Husdon's likeability index is rather low but all that wikipedia, Tony Veitch other shark aside - I'm just going to judge him on how AWs perform in next few months.
I think that's fair. He isn't likeable, but the players do seem happy with him as a coach. His record with the All Whites isn't exactly bad either.
Allegedly
I think that's fair. He isn't likeable, but the players do seem happy with him as a coach. His record with the All Whites isn't exactly bad either.
The idea that his record is decent kind of baffles me. He's produced the bare minimum vs OFC sides and most of the friendlies we have played since he's been in charge we've looked crap. Two decent performances vs USA and Mexico seem to be the basis for this idea but we had draws vs PNG and New Caledonia before and after those games, in actual competitive fixtures. We beat Honduras before the Horror in Honiara but that didn't save Ricki's job. And Ricki had the 2010 WC results on his CV too.
If you look at his record to date (results and performances, not checklists and meetings with rugby coaches) it's hardly impressive. Some good performances at the Confeds Cup would tip the balance back in his favour but we're not there yet.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
I think that's fair. He isn't likeable, but the players do seem happy with him as a coach. His record with the All Whites isn't exactly bad either.
The idea that his record is decent kind of baffles me. He's produced the bare minimum vs OFC sides and most of the friendlies we have played since he's been in charge we've looked crap. Two decent performances vs USA and Mexico seem to be the basis for this idea but we had draws vs PNG and New Caledonia before and after those games, in actual competitive fixtures. We beat Honduras before the Horror in Honiara but that didn't save Ricki's job. And Ricki had the 2010 WC results on his CV too.
If you look at his record to date (results and performances, not checklists and meetings with rugby coaches) it's hardly impressive. Some good performances at the Confeds Cup would tip the balance back in his favour but we're not there yet.
No one's going to bad mouth anyone, sure, but they don't need to provide unprompted gushing praise either... says a lot.
I think that's fair. He isn't likeable, but the players do seem happy with him as a coach. His record with the All Whites isn't exactly bad either.
The idea that his record is decent kind of baffles me. He's produced the bare minimum vs OFC sides and most of the friendlies we have played since he's been in charge we've looked crap. Two decent performances vs USA and Mexico seem to be the basis for this idea but we had draws vs PNG and New Caledonia before and after those games, in actual competitive fixtures. We beat Honduras before the Horror in Honiara but that didn't save Ricki's job. And Ricki had the 2010 WC results on his CV too.
If you look at his record to date (results and performances, not checklists and meetings with rugby coaches) it's hardly impressive. Some good performances at the Confeds Cup would tip the balance back in his favour but we're not there yet.
No one's going to bad mouth anyone, sure, but they don't need to provide unprompted gushing praise either... says a lot.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
There was someone on this forum once, who from memory had sat on a mother's morning tea with one of Nix's AWs players wives, where the gossip was that Hudson was rated by the players!
An unconventional source of inside info granted - but not one you can tarnish with any 'fake news' sycophant media type accusations. To me there is just a consistent fed of info that planning wise esp he's doing a good job.
The OFC games to me are pretty meaningless as far as getting a gauge on AWs form/progress. They don't excite the fans or players, AWs are never at full strength and are just shark games that have to played in order to play the big games that matter, and excite the players & fans. Of the starting eleven that played the OFC Nations final I'm guessing barely half would be in a 1st choice AWs side now.
End of the day many folks on this forum, will never like Hudson even if he blended into a wonderful combination of Mother Theresa and Alex Ferguson.
There was someone on this forum once, who from memory had sat on a mother's morning tea with one of Nix's AWs players wives, where the gossip was that Hudson was rated by the players!
An unconventional source of inside info granted - but not one you can tarnish with any 'fake news' sycophant media type accusations. To me there is just a consistent fed of info that planning wise esp he's doing a good job.
The OFC games to me are pretty meaningless as far as getting a gauge on AWs form/progress. They don't excite the fans or players, AWs are never at full strength and are just shark games that have to played in order to play the big games that matter, and excite the players & fans. Of the starting eleven that played the OFC Nations final I'm guessing barely half would be in a 1st choice AWs side now.
End of the day many folks on this forum, will never like Hudson even if he blended into a wonderful combination of Mother Theresa and Alex Ferguson.
Completely disagree re: OFC games because they're actually competitive games with motivated opposition. I'll cut some slack for not looking brilliant in Island conditions but IMO expecting us to win comfortably shouldn't be unreasonable when you compare all our advantages over them. And that goes for a second string AWs side too. I don't think we should be having to rely on penalty shootouts to win the OFCNC. But even accepting your position for the sake of argument, our performances in friendlies haven't been shark hot either. Or did I imagine us losing to Thailand and drawing with Myanmar? Also if we're going to talk about second string sides then it's probably worth pointing out the US and Mexico teams weren't stacked with first choice players.
I think the stuff about Hudson's personality is a red herring - the real question is has he done a good job actually selecting and setting up teams and getting the best out of the available resources. I don't think he has.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
To be fair Burgess can only run with what he gets from them and if he runs with something that Hudson doesn't like he will never get another interview as we know Hudson is somewhat sensitive to what's written about his team. Burgess only really covers League and Football, meaning there's only about a handful of teams he'll interact with in the country so he has to keep the relationships. Piney does the same with the nix!
Fuck this stupid game
There was someone on this forum once, who from memory had sat on a mother's morning tea with one of Nix's AWs players wives, where the gossip was that Hudson was rated by the players!
An unconventional source of inside info granted - but not one you can tarnish with any 'fake news' sycophant media type accusations. To me there is just a consistent fed of info that planning wise esp he's doing a good job.
The OFC games to me are pretty meaningless as far as getting a gauge on AWs form/progress. They don't excite the fans or players, AWs are never at full strength and are just shark games that have to played in order to play the big games that matter, and excite the players & fans. Of the starting eleven that played the OFC Nations final I'm guessing barely half would be in a 1st choice AWs side now.
End of the day many folks on this forum, will never like Hudson even if he blended into a wonderful combination of Mother Theresa and Alex Ferguson.
Yeah that was me. I work with one of the wags and she tells me a little more than she should, especially at our Christmas party re:Merrick! She was obviously either misinformed about Tratt or not telling me due to its sensitivity though.
Also do a little reading on Mother Theresa - a lot of her actions line up a little more closely with the prevailing opinion of Hudson on here!
ConanTroutman is 100% right, everything here is 3rd or 4th hand, stuff inevitably gets twisted.
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Regarding the information about him being organised, doing planning and analysis etc - isn't that what's expected from an international coach? in fact, isn't that the bare minimum we should expect from someone employed to run our national team? I mean, it's good that he does that, but shouldn't it be expected rather than celebrated? It's a bit like someone critiquing me in my job and saying, "he does really well because he turns up to every class and teaches the curriculum" - that's the minimum expectation in my role and I should be fired if I'm not doing it...
Again, I'm not doubting that Hudson is carrying these aspects out well, but I'm not sure that's a reason for getting overly excited - to me, in the modern game, any person in his role who doesn't scout opposition, analyse them precisely, and equip his squad with knowledge and tools to deal with their opponents, isn't really doing their job... we're not in the Joe McGrath era anymore, and if that stuff wasn't happening in the Herbert tenure then that says more about him than Hudson...
I'll grant that from the rumour mill he seems liked by the players but I'm hesitant to put too much stock in that, because it's either hearsay or in the media and no one is going going to bad mouth their boss in public, and the rumour mill sometimes contradicts itself (see the comments from Nelfoos re Tratt and Patrick's reply). Not saying people are lying, just that second or third hand info from one or two sources can hardly be taken as representative of the opinions of 20 odd players.
The idea that his record is decent kind of baffles me. He's produced the bare minimum vs OFC sides and most of the friendlies we have played since he's been in charge we've looked crap. Two decent performances vs USA and Mexico seem to be the basis for this idea but we had draws vs PNG and New Caledonia before and after those games, in actual competitive fixtures. We beat Honduras before the Horror in Honiara but that didn't save Ricki's job. And Ricki had the 2010 WC results on his CV too.
If you look at his record to date (results and performances, not checklists and meetings with rugby coaches) it's hardly impressive. Some good performances at the Confeds Cup would tip the balance back in his favour but we're not there yet.
I think this is a good summation. Couple of things I would add is at times it seems like at times it's 2 steps forward one step back. OFC Nations Cup was terrible (although with mostly a B side), US/Mexico was good (although against weakened squad), New Caledonia was ok here, but very lucky over there, and then Fiji was good, but they are quite poor and we really struggled to create goal scoring opportunities (esp in the away leg).
Despite Hudson's claims of attacking football, his stats don't back it up. His teams have only scored 124 goals in 106 games (1.17 goals per game). That's not very good at all. Even with Bahtain they scored just 6 goals in 12 games.
Yeah that was me. I work with one of the wags and she tells me a little more than she should, especially at our Christmas party re:Merrick! She was obviously either misinformed about Tratt or not telling me due to its sensitivity though.
Grumpy old bastard alert
this has all got me thinking...
...in days gone by, all whites coaches had to go to far greater lengths to be thorough in their analysis
there was no internet and there was bugger all footy on the telly
we simply never saw any football here. so how would our coach be able to see the tactical innovations taking place at the time around the world? one hour of big league soccer wouldn't help much.
how would they ever be able to analyse opposition?
i remember once we played the socceroos in geelong. kevin fallon's pre match research managed to unearth the fact that the field had a cricket pitch in the middle of it and was as hard as concrete. as a result, fallon prepared a side that had declan edge in the centre of midfield as he felt he needed his best ball player performing on the worst part of the pitch. from memory this helped us a great deal
therefore the notion of a national team coach being 'thorough' is very relative
I'll grant that from the rumour mill he seems liked by the players but I'm hesitant to put too much stock in that, because it's either hearsay or in the media and no one is going going to bad mouth their boss in public, and the rumour mill sometimes contradicts itself (see the comments from Nelfoos re Tratt and Patrick's reply). Not saying people are lying, just that second or third hand info from one or two sources can hardly be taken as representative of the opinions of 20 odd players.
The idea that his record is decent kind of baffles me. He's produced the bare minimum vs OFC sides and most of the friendlies we have played since he's been in charge we've looked crap. Two decent performances vs USA and Mexico seem to be the basis for this idea but we had draws vs PNG and New Caledonia before and after those games, in actual competitive fixtures. We beat Honduras before the Horror in Honiara but that didn't save Ricki's job. And Ricki had the 2010 WC results on his CV too.
If you look at his record to date (results and performances, not checklists and meetings with rugby coaches) it's hardly impressive. Some good performances at the Confeds Cup would tip the balance back in his favour but we're not there yet.
I think this is a good summation. Couple of things I would add is at times it seems like at times it's 2 steps forward one step back. OFC Nations Cup was terrible (although with mostly a B side), US/Mexico was good (although against weakened squad), New Caledonia was ok here, but very lucky over there, and then Fiji was good, but they are quite poor and we really struggled to create goal scoring opportunities (esp in the away leg).
Despite Hudson's claims of attacking football, his stats don't back it up. His teams have only scored 124 goals in 106 games (1.17 goals per game). That's not very good at all. Even with Bahtain they scored just 6 goals in 12 games.
If that doesn't scream attacking football, I don't know what does.
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Patrick is a fine one to talk about soft media reporting. You only have to watch some of his psycophantic video interviews to see it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Name calling is not becoming
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
Patrick is a fan though, not an investigative journalist. Tough questions directed at NZF should be from Liam Hyslop, Michael Burgess, Andrew Voerman and any other sports journos.