Its Summer! - the Fever Cricket Thread. (Part 2)

I think they have made some bad mistakes. First up- the ICL wasn't under the umbrella of the ICC so this is something else?

Their performances for NZ still stand on their own, and I still respect them for that, but we should be a bit weary now in presuming that Kiwis are immune to temptation...and if these two aren't- what can we say for any of the people in public life...it's hard to lose that trust and reputation for honesty. After all there were some rumblings around Chennai this season right? 

eh.

The whole thing is a mess, and it's going to get a whole lot messier.

I just hope it doesn't cost anyone their life.

That was a Champions League game.

I'm no sports lawyer but maybe the actions outside the ICC jurisdiction could still be found to have brought the game into disrepute. Or, there may be grounds to indicate that he was complicit in fixing which did occur in ICC-sanctioned games.

Wow... McCullum confirming that he was approached by a Mr X also.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2632108/Brendon-McCullum-approached-cricket-hero-fix-matches.html

Wow. Was Mr X not making enough from diamonds and fudge?

That's a very brazen thing stunt to pull going after a senior BC squad member (and he would have been in 2008)

So asked Ian obrien about why they could do about the ICL games. His reply, do him for perjury. Maybe a dangerous thing to say from iana position

Geez, Jeff at this rate you are going to be the first person in the world to name him!! Control yourself will you

So who is Mr X?

Based on what I've read so far it seems it is probably a former Indian batsmen who had retired from the game by 2008...

Any advances?

I'll be a bit gutted if that is true, I'm not going to lie. 

Someone is going to get hit for 6, you can bet on it!

Gutted, just gutted.

And FYI - McCullum hasn't "come out" and said anything publicly... his testimony to the ICC investigators has been "leaked".

Debacle.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/story/745711.html

The herald just named him as player x too.

No sh!t

The article should be renamed to read 'Chris Cairns confirms he is Mr X'.

Its just such a massive facepalm for defending his position that I am really surprised that he is actually that stupid in doing all this in the first place, and secondly keeping up this charade in the public eye.. I don't see Martin Crowe, Dion Nash, John Bracewell and others making statements that they are not Mr X because simply, they are not. The fact that he is squealing loud enough like that in the manner he did with the words he used in his statement just screams guilt - Streisand Effect anyone? If he is not involved, he has no need to defend his position!!!! Does Lady Gaga release a statement saying she is not Mr X? Its almost as bad as saying: Person 1 "You took that ring" Person 2: "It has been alleged that I took that ring but I can categorically say that I have never seen that diamond and sapphire ring with the engraving 'luv u' on it and if he and others say I took it, they are lying"

If he thought he has a chance of a career near cricket before, he certainly has nothing now. He is a stain on the name Cairns and by association, brings down what his Dad achieved because Lance cannot come out in the press and defend this at all and if he does, he is as stupid as his son.

I also heard Mark Watson with a very good point of view (for once) on the radio last night in reference to Lou Vincent and the people that felt sorry for him:

"Next time some rich old white guys from a financial firm rip someone off, don't persecute them. Feel sorry for them, they could be suffering from depression and their actions were a result of that"

You're way off saying Cairns is in the same boat as Nash, Bracewell, Crowe and Lady Gaga(???)....Cairns has been interviewed since he was first accused (leaked) and there are many people insinuating Mr X is him. He hasn't plucked the theory it's him out of clean air. It is a 'forward defensive' (punny) but it's not a completely random defense of himself.

I know exactly what you meant. The problem with your point is Cairns is involved. He knows he is being investigated, many people are pointing the finger in his direction, a lot of the leaked information includes little bits of eveidence which also point towards him. The others you mention have none of that to worry about, which funnily enough, is probably why they aren't defending themselves.....

I do agree that he's probably guilty as sin but in his mind he's decided getting on the front foot is going to be better than waiting for them to come and get him and above all it indicates he will be fighting it until the end.

I think the problem Cairns has is that Lou Vincent alone, he could have backed himself in a he said/she said cause 'Lou is a bit mental' and played that angle to win it off. Now you have McCullum out there, and a coach in India, and 3 others and the Modi lawsuit. The amount of people that are against him.... is why his defence of it is stupid. With all this going down, I wonder (and I don't mean this in a callous manner) how much longer Lou will be alive for because if these people are as shady as they make out and Lou is worried enough to get security, you can bet they are coming after him.

I guess if you want to know the definition of Chris Cairns, wikipedia Lance Armstrong. The end. I wonder how long until Lance is in the press.

Guys, they are called "Dark Forces" ok? I didn't know Cairns was a fellow follower of the Jedi faith. Jeff, loved your last sentence.

I agree, the Lance Armstrong comparison is a valid one. Hence why his public and front foot defense is easy to understand. He's convinced himself he's not guilty and he believes, for whatever reason, that he has enough evidence in his favour and in reverse, not enough against him.

This sucks. NZ cricket is set to become an international laughing stock due to the actions of a few. Any sympathy for Lou should be gone with this quote.......

Vincent told the ICC that he justified the fixes in England because his contract with Sussex was ‘only for £22,000’ and he was unhappy at how the ECB had made him wait three years for a British passport.

Well I'm not sure it is understandable.

Everyone saw what happened to Armstrong. You can choose to go out that way or go 'yeah you got me'. I can at least give Lou a little bit of credit for fessing up and going to them rather than stoutly defend himself in the press. It just makes it worse for Cairns I think cause the guilt is so obvious. He'll eventually say, like Armstrong, that he is sorry about it all when the reality is that he is only sorry about getting caught.

I would be very intrigued to find out what he thinks he has that exonerates him in all of this. I personally would not call McCullum a liar as he has no need to make stuff up about Cairns. Why would he? What does he get out of it? In fact it looks worse for McCullum to wrongly finger Cairns considering he is an active cricketer and captain which is why its just so overwhelming.