Also, last night did some good for our points difference!!!
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still gonna be very tough to break that top 6, with all the teams above us with game sin hand. jets results are going to be key, we need them to lose at least one of their catch up matches. Perth gone after their curent run, dramatic turn of form after a start of 5 wins.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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still gonna be very tough to break that top 6, with all the teams above us with game sin hand. jets results are going to be key, we need them to lose at least one of their catch up matches. Perth gone after their curent run, dramatic turn of form after a start of 5 wins.
But......
We are the Phoenix.
We can beat anyone.
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
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How sad would that table have looked had we lost to the jest.
Huge relief. Onwards and upwards lads.
Huge relief. Onwards and upwards lads.
I know, I know, its serious!
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Playoff Hopefuls Games to Play
Vic Jets Phoenix Hearts
Opposition
Top 4 4 3 3 3
Mid 4 4 3 2 1
Bot 3 2 5 4 4
Vic Jets Phoenix Hearts
Opposition
Top 4 4 3 3 3
Mid 4 4 3 2 1
Bot 3 2 5 4 4
We're Forever Causing Trouble
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still gonna be very tough to break that top 6, with all the teams above us with game sin hand. jets results are going to be key, we need them to lose at least one of their catch up matches. Perth gone after their curent run, dramatic turn of form after a start of 5 wins.
But......We are the Phoenix.We can beat anyone.
Except Barcelona.
Three for me, and two for them.
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still gonna be very tough to break that top 6, with all the teams above us with game sin hand. jets results are going to be key, we need them to lose at least one of their catch up matches. Perth gone after their curent run, dramatic turn of form after a start of 5 wins.
But......We are the Phoenix.We can beat anyone.
Except Barcelona.
I will just say Boca Juniors
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
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Interesting to look at a form table for the last six games...
Pl W D L F A Pts Brisbane Roar 6 4 2 0 15 7 14 Newcastle Jets 6 4 1 1 8 5 13 Wellington Phoenix 6 3 1 2 11 8 10 Melbourne Victory 6 2 3 1 13 11 9 Gold Coast United 6 3 0 3 10 8 9 Adelaide United 6 3 0 3 9 8 9 Sydney FC 6 2 1 3 5 7 7 North Queensland Fury 6 2 1 3 4 8 7 Central Coast Mariners 6 1 3 2 11 12 6 Perth Glory 6 1 2 3 7 10 5 Melbourne Heart 6 1 1 4 3 11 4
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^^Very interesting.
I still think if we play like we're meant to be in the top 6, we'll sneak in there. Plenty of games left to go and Melbourne Still have to play all of the top 4.
I still think if we play like we're meant to be in the top 6, we'll sneak in there. Plenty of games left to go and Melbourne Still have to play all of the top 4.
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Interesting to look at a form table for the last six games...
Pl W D L F A Pts Brisbane Roar 6 4 2 0 15 7 14 Newcastle Jets 6 4 1 1 8 5 13 Wellington Phoenix 6 3 1 2 11 8 10 Melbourne Victory 6 2 3 1 13 11 9 Gold Coast United 6 3 0 3 10 8 9 Adelaide United 6 3 0 3 9 8 9 Sydney FC 6 2 1 3 5 7 7 North Queensland Fury 6 2 1 3 4 8 7 Central Coast Mariners 6 1 3 2 11 12 6 Perth Glory 6 1 2 3 7 10 5 Melbourne Heart 6 1 1 4 3 11 4
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Since there is quite a difference in the amount of games played between some teams (CCM 18 games vs Roar 22games) I had a look at pts/game. Interestingly the table hardly changes, just Jets and Victory swap positions:
Position Pl Pts/Game
1 Brisbane Roar 22 2.14
2 Adelaide United 20 1.85
3 Gold Coast United 19 1.74
4 Central Coast Mariners 18 1.67
5 Newcastle Jets 19 1.32
6 Melbourne Victory 20 1.30
7 Wellington Phoenix 21 1.19
8 Melbourne Heart 22 1.09
9 North Queensland Fury 20 0.90
10 Sydney FC 20 0.90
11 Perth Glory 21 0.81
Also, I don't think we have won back-to-back games all season.
Position Pl Pts/Game
1 Brisbane Roar 22 2.14
2 Adelaide United 20 1.85
3 Gold Coast United 19 1.74
4 Central Coast Mariners 18 1.67
5 Newcastle Jets 19 1.32
6 Melbourne Victory 20 1.30
7 Wellington Phoenix 21 1.19
8 Melbourne Heart 22 1.09
9 North Queensland Fury 20 0.90
10 Sydney FC 20 0.90
11 Perth Glory 21 0.81
Also, I don't think we have won back-to-back games all season.
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2010 season highlight..the number of different ways a simple league table can be sliced diced and interpreted..
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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Biggest worry is at this late stage there is still a huge difference in number of games played, which completely screws the table.
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That's your biggest worry? I'm more concerned with our being outside the playoffs.
I'm not sure why so many people are upset about the uneven schedule. The effect of the schedule has been exagerated by the two postponed matches, so not all of it can be helped.
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2010 season highlight..the number of different ways a simple league table can be sliced diced and interpreted..
I think all the straw-clutching that's going on, kind of sums up what kind of season it's been.
Here's another one, 25% of the goals that Newcastle have conceded this season were scored on Saturday, and according to LF1's form table, only one other side has scored against them in the last 6 matches. We've turned the corner (again)
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As long as it is not Leo taking the corners we keep turning!
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she's a windy ol' road getting into the top six, lots of corners to be turned.....
Queenslander 3x a year.
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pretty interesting perspectives here. But theres one obvious corner that we turned this week, its clearly the fact that:
We Played Towards the Zone in the 2nd Half!
I swear we havn't done that often enough and when Browny wore the armband, he clicked onto the fact and now we're back
We Played Towards the Zone in the 2nd Half!
I swear we havn't done that often enough and when Browny wore the armband, he clicked onto the fact and now we're back
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Only the 2nd time this year, think the last game against the Heart was the other?
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I have often wondered about that this season. Last year it was almost a given that we would always play towards the YF end when given the oppotunity, regardless of conditions
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I have often wondered about that this season. Last year it was almost a given that we would always play towards the YF end when given the oppotunity, regardless of conditions
I am sure that in the first 3 seasons we would attack the YF end more often and score most of our goals in the 2nd half.
This has been discussed before with some stats to back it up.
Edit: Found this from the end of 2008: Our favourite endBullion2010-12-21 11:53:57
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pretty interesting perspectives here. But theres one obvious corner that we turned this week, its clearly the fact that:
We Played Towards the Zone in the 2nd Half!
I swear we havn't done that often enough and when Browny wore the armband, he clicked onto the fact and now we're back
We Played Towards the Zone in the 2nd Half!
I swear we havn't done that often enough and when Browny wore the armband, he clicked onto the fact and now we're back
Brown didn't choose, the Newcastle captain did
a.haak
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yeah but browny would have looked the guy in the eye and he would have known not to cross Browny or suffer the consequences...
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yeah but browny would have looked the guy in the eye and he would have known not to cross Browny or suffer the consequences...
Imagine if Siggy was captain!!!!
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Siggy captain, both halves towards the zone end 
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CCM 1 NQF 0
Pl W D L F A GD Pts Brisbane Roar 22 13 8 1 41 18 23 47 Adelaide United 20 11 4 5 32 23 9 37 Central Coast Mariners 19 9 6 4 30 20 10 33 Gold Coast United 19 9 6 4 25 16 9 33 Melbourne Victory 20 6 8 6 29 26 3 26 Newcastle Jets 19 6 7 6 17 16 1 25 Wellington Phoenix 21 7 4 10 27 34 -7 25 Melbourne Heart 22 6 6 10 21 33 -12 24 Sydney FC 20 4 6 10 21 30 -9 18 North Queensland Fury 21 4 6 11 23 33 -10 18 Perth Glory 21 4 5 12 19 36 -17 17
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Perth 4 Adelaide 2
Pl W D L F A GD Pts Brisbane Roar 22 13 8 1 41 18 23 47 Adelaide United 21 11 4 6 34 27 7 37 Central Coast Mariners 19 9 6 4 30 20 10 33 Gold Coast United 19 9 6 4 25 16 9 33 Melbourne Victory 20 6 8 6 29 26 3 26 Newcastle Jets 19 6 7 6 17 16 1 25 Wellington Phoenix 21 7 4 10 27 34 -7 25 Melbourne Heart 22 6 6 10 21 33 -12 24 Perth Glory 22 5 5 12 23 38 -15 20 Sydney FC 20 4 6 10 21 30 -9 18 North Queensland Fury 21 4 6 11 23 33 -10 18
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The draw this year is a disaster - no-one who has played football would ever advocate a draw with that kind of disparity in games played. I really have no idea who is doing well and who is struggling in that mid table...
Normo's coming home
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If it's any help, we are struggling in that mid table.
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an easy 7-0 victory would be rather nice for that goal difference!
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The draw this year is a disaster - no-one who has played football would ever advocate a draw with that kind of disparity in games played. I really have no idea who is doing well and who is struggling in that mid table...
completely agree with you jamesdean, it's been a shambles
stand by for the usual lot who claim it's fine and not a problem at all
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It's fine and not a problem at all.
sorry
sorry
Three for me, and two for them.
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It's fine and not a problem at all
Actually, the biggest issuses causing this problem are the midweek games and the byes.
What is it about football downunder. As soon as we get a league thats working we make life difficult for ourselves by inviting every Tom Dick and Harry into it.
An 8 team A League would produce better football, more support and greater financial stabilty. You cant tell me that Hearts havent effected the stability of Victory this year, in the same way that, at this stage, another team in NZ would effect the Phoenix.
Same thing happened with the original NZ National League, 8 to 14 and now there is talk of increasing the ASB Premiership before it has established itself.
Promotion / Relegation maybe, but not invitational. Even numbers and weekend games only. Stuff trying to avoid AFL, NRL, Cricket. If the product is good enough people will come.
Actually, the biggest issuses causing this problem are the midweek games and the byes.
What is it about football downunder. As soon as we get a league thats working we make life difficult for ourselves by inviting every Tom Dick and Harry into it.
An 8 team A League would produce better football, more support and greater financial stabilty. You cant tell me that Hearts havent effected the stability of Victory this year, in the same way that, at this stage, another team in NZ would effect the Phoenix.
Same thing happened with the original NZ National League, 8 to 14 and now there is talk of increasing the ASB Premiership before it has established itself.
Promotion / Relegation maybe, but not invitational. Even numbers and weekend games only. Stuff trying to avoid AFL, NRL, Cricket. If the product is good enough people will come.
We're Forever Causing Trouble
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The draw this year is a disaster - no-one who has played football would ever advocate a draw with that kind of disparity in games played. I really have no idea who is doing well and who is struggling in that mid table...
points/game
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�It's fine and not a problem at allActually, the biggest issuses causing this problem are the midweek games and the byes.What is it about football downunder. As soon as we get a league thats working we make life difficult for ourselves by inviting every Tom Dick and Harry into it. An 8� team A League would produce better football, more support and greater financial stabilty. You cant tell me that Hearts havent effected the stability of Victory this year, in the same way that, at this stage, another team in NZ would effect the Phoenix.Same thing happened with the original NZ National League, 8 to 14 and now there is talk of increasing the ASB Premiership before it has established itself. Promotion / Relegation maybe, but not invitational. Even numbers and weekend games only. Stuff trying to avoid AFL, NRL, Cricket. If the product is good enough people will come.
I don't agree with the last part. If we were up against AFL, NRL etc. football would suffer, as it it not the major sport. There would also be a ground clash. Where would the Nix play in the rugby season? A league teams must have top facilities for TV.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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It's interesting that everyone has said the game disparities have made it hard to work out how teams are actually doing in comparison with one another even though the Points Per Game tables have very closely matched the real table. I mean, it could just be a statistical anomaly and I'm not advocating such a weird schedule, but it is interesting nonetheless.
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If we hadn't had two games postponed, the most games played would be 22 and the least 20. Not much of a big deal, is it? Every couple of weeks this thread collects a few complaints, so some people obviously can't cope.... whinging Kiwis, eh
I'll help out those struggling with the table. This is how things stand:
Brisbane are going really well. Adelaide are fading, with Central Coast and Gold Coast well positioned to take advantage.
The Jets, Victory and us are scrapping it out for the next two spots. The Jets are marginally better placed than Victory. We're the outside bet.
Perth and North Queensland are having a tough time. Melbourne Heart and Sydney are only going marginally better.
You're welcome.
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It's fine and not a problem at all
Actually, the biggest issuses causing this problem are the midweek games and the byes.
Actually, the biggest issuses causing this problem are the midweek games and the byes.
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Promotion / Relegation maybe, but not invitational. Even numbers and weekend games only. Stuff trying to avoid AFL, NRL, Cricket. If the product is good enough people will come.
I agree that the midweek games are not really a success. Significantly lower crowds can't be good.
If I recall correctly, wasn't the original plan for two expansion teams this year but only Heart was ready and the second Sydney team were postponed until next season. Hence, it's a temporary thing. Having said that, I remember reading somewhere that the second Sydney team have now been canned, despite being originally scheduled for inclusion from next season - so we might be stuck with an odd number for a while longer.
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Yeah but then Furries will fold so itll be even again.
Allegedly
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