I will withdraw my support for the Phoenix for any period while David Beckham is playing. He may increase crowds, but if that is the reason for signing him, we could maybe sign Bono, who would probably increase crowds even more, and isn't much worse a footballer.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
"If it means playing away from Wellington, we will look at it.
A cracker for any good will people may have.
A fan is a fan.
"If it means playing away from Wellington, we will look at it.
A cracker for any good will people may have.
ex herald
We are extremely concerned,'' Dome said. "There's no doubt the crowds outside the first game with Del Piero have been poor. It's not sustainable. At the moment, Wellington is saying to us that football in the capital is not a sustainable business model.
"If it means playing away from Wellington, we will look at it. If it means more money to buy players, we will do that. It's all up for grabs.''
Can't believe Dome said this - don't they get it. Start winning and seriously challenge for top two. Crowds 10,000 plus easy. Wellington is saying to us that it will no longer accept a mediocre campaign, which includes a late run to scrape into the top 6. They want to win this thing, and with the exception of the opening game and last weekend, Herbert and his side have been mediocre.
I know this is going to crank up some in the Nix angst circle but isn't there a case for making the Phoenix a NZ team rather than a Wellington side? The team could be based in Wellington but play say three times in Christchurch, three times in Auckland, once in Dunedin and the rest in Windy City. This would ensure fans in any particular centre don't become indifferent. Crowds of only 6,000 odd at Westpac stadium are no good. You've had higher crowds in both CHCH and Auckland than in most regular season Wellington games. I think Auckland holds the record for a regular season game (20,000)??? There's a real novelty value that attracts fans when the team's only into town for a few games. The Warriors became the NZ Warriors and the Breakers are the NZ Breakers. So why not the NZ Phoenix? Tour the team around the country and fill it with NZ talent.
Rather than Beckham why not spend that sort of money and bring Nelsen over for a season - it would certainly shore up your defence?
The Warriors and Breakers play all their home games in Auckland?
So a guy from the knitting circle that says the phoenix single handedly destroy TW crowds, now wants to take the team around the country to do the same to all other ASBP crowds? Make your mind up.
[/quote]If some one did come along and got an A-League team for Auckland, what would they need to do to get the support from the fans of Auckland City & Waitakere?
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With due respect to the Phoenix and the current environment, there is no way in hell ACFC fans will ever support an A League side. Its not in their interests too. If it was, they would be behind the Phoenix wholeheartedly
I think you'll find many ACFC supporters were also Kingz/Knights supporters in earlier times. Real football fans JV actually like attending football games. I'll happily watch other ASB Premiership games. You should try it one day.
So a guy from the knitting circle that says the phoenix single handedly destroy TW crowds, now wants to take the team around the country to do the same to all other ASBP crowds? Make your mind up.
NZF indifference to its own national league and the lack of any promotion/tv coverage has hurt ASBP crowds. The Nix playing a couple of games in Auckland is not going to sap the support from ACFC. We have a very loyal fan base, so does Canterbury United and Hawkes Bay United. The rest of the ASBP teams attract very few spectators so it wouldn't be an issue. The same is not true, unfortunately, for Team Wellington, who have largely seen their fan base biodegrade over the years. The Phoenix hogging all the limelight in Wellington has clearly played a part in that.
Get the Phoenix out of town a bit more often and all those so-called Wellington football fans who only turn up when the planets are aligned might just pop down to Dave Farrington Park. Just a thought.
Do we really think that the FFA will aid us, a Kiwi team, in getting Beckham's signature?
Talk about being fair and equal all you want but I struggle to believe the FFA will help us over an opposing Aussie club.
Unless we really put some cash into it.
SELL THE HURRICANES!!
Hyundai A-League website claim at least 5 clubs are "lining up" to sign Beckham.
Mentions only 4 clubs though - Adelaide, Central Coast, Heart and Perth
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/clubs-line-up-to-sign-beckham/53416
ex herald
We are extremely concerned,'' Dome said. "There's no doubt the crowds outside the first game with Del Piero have been poor. It's not sustainable. At the moment, Wellington is saying to us that football in the capital is not a sustainable business model.
"If it means playing away from Wellington, we will look at it. If it means more money to buy players, we will do that. It's all up for grabs.''
Can't believe Dome said this - don't they get it. Start winning and seriously challenge for top two. Crowds 10,000 plus easy. Wellington is saying to us that it will no longer accept a mediocre campaign, which includes a late run to scrape into the top 6. They want to win this thing, and with the exception of the opening game and last weekend, Herbert and his side have been mediocre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
So a guy from the knitting circle that says the phoenix single handedly destroy TW crowds, now wants to take the team around the country to do the same to all other ASBP crowds? Make your mind up.
NZF indifference to its own national league and the lack of any promotion/tv coverage has hurt ASBP crowds. The Nix playing a couple of games in Auckland is not going to sap the support from ACFC. We have a very loyal fan base, so does Canterbury United and Hawkes Bay United. The rest of the ASBP teams attract very few spectators so it wouldn't be an issue. The same is not true, unfortunately, for Team Wellington, who have largely seen their fan base biodegrade over the years. The Phoenix hogging all the limelight in Wellington has clearly played a part in that.
Get the Phoenix out of town a bit more often and all those so-called Wellington football fans who only turn up when the planets are aligned might just pop down to Dave Farrington Park. Just a thought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
So a guy from the knitting circle that says the phoenix single handedly destroy TW crowds, now wants to take the team around the country to do the same to all other ASBP crowds? Make your mind up.
NZF indifference to its own national league and the lack of any promotion/tv coverage has hurt ASBP crowds. The Nix playing a couple of games in Auckland is not going to sap the support from ACFC. We have a very loyal fan base, so does Canterbury United and Hawkes Bay United. The rest of the ASBP teams attract very few spectators so it wouldn't be an issue. The same is not true, unfortunately, for Team Wellington, who have largely seen their fan base biodegrade over the years. The Phoenix hogging all the limelight in Wellington has clearly played a part in that.
Get the Phoenix out of town a bit more often and all those so-called Wellington football fans who only turn up when the planets are aligned might just pop down to Dave Farrington Park. Just a thought.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
We don't have a right back and we are crying out for a central midfielder at the very least (regardless of whether it's Beckham) and only NOW are they talking about spending some money on players?
If they could get Beckham they'd AT LEAST double crowds IMO. However, it's what happens after that is important. Back to the same old and we'll be here in a year's time saying the same things.
Can hardly blame Leo for crowds of 6,000. I reckon hes done bloody well. Maybe we actually try and win our home games and entertain the crowd would do better for the number? I mean its not the Premier League is it - go out there and play some entertaining football. There no relegation to worry about.
ex herald
We are extremely concerned,'' Dome said. "There's no doubt the crowds outside the first game with Del Piero have been poor. It's not sustainable. At the moment, Wellington is saying to us that football in the capital is not a sustainable business model.
"If it means playing away from Wellington, we will look at it. If it means more money to buy players, we will do that. It's all up for grabs.''
Can't believe Dome said this - don't they get it. Start winning and seriously challenge for top two. Crowds 10,000 plus easy. Wellington is saying to us that it will no longer accept a mediocre campaign, which includes a late run to scrape into the top 6. They want to win this thing, and with the exception of the opening game and last weekend, Herbert and his side have been mediocre.
Normo's coming home
My two cents worth..Who ever gets Beckham gets a three ring circus, pure and simple. In some ways a big distraction from the League and the game but other ways bringing a whole other level of attention. If there's a circus I'd like it to be OUR circus.
Won't sort the inadequacies of our current line up, could just distract us for a while and inspire some effort from the team and bring in the hangers-on spectators and the "it" crowd ...." oh, we've always loved the Phoenix!" ...while the spotlights shining bright.
More consistent performances, ( like Sunday's in Newcastle) will indeed bring the crowds back. More importantly, the whole relationship between the team, their owners, management and the fans who support them ought to be about accountability, passion, respect, and dedication,which builds and strengthens over time.Threats of taking matches elsewhere have no place in this arrangement.
We the fans commit to be here when you're playing here..it really matters.We expect you the players to turn up for the game like it really matters too.
So grinds the rumor mill, breaking down harvested tweets into baseless speculation.
From one of the lingering rumours of the off season, turns out Robert Earnshaw ended up in Tel Aviv. Did we know that already?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20397113
He doesn't seem the happiest, what with the place being bombed and all. Also, he's injured.
So a guy from the knitting circle that says the phoenix single handedly destroy TW crowds, now wants to take the team around the country to do the same to all other ASBP crowds? Make your mind up.
NZF indifference to its own national league and the lack of any promotion/tv coverage has hurt ASBP crowds. The Nix playing a couple of games in Auckland is not going to sap the support from ACFC. We have a very loyal fan base, so does Canterbury United and Hawkes Bay United. The rest of the ASBP teams attract very few spectators so it wouldn't be an issue. The same is not true, unfortunately, for Team Wellington, who have largely seen their fan base biodegrade over the years. The Phoenix hogging all the limelight in Wellington has clearly played a part in that.
Get the Phoenix out of town a bit more often and all those so-called Wellington football fans who only turn up when the planets are aligned might just pop down to Dave Farrington Park. Just a thought.
God you talk bollocks. The onfield product is horrible. The one time we get a regular league game on TV, it was insipid crap football - certainly nothing to ATTRACT fans to go watch. By reflection, your team of imports play a lot better but if its only one team, how does this help to grow the league, as you stated a couple of pages back? The TW v Canty game was completely fucking awful and backs the point that if you want fans (both for Phoenix and ASB games) make the product worth watching, not find a new location to play it at.
Grumpy old bastard alert
To further prove the theory, why did the Auckland based franchise get shit crowds for the HAL in the largest city in the country? Cause the on field product was crap. Yet your crowds stayed strong and consistent. Must have had a bastardising effect that HAL team.
And again to prove the theory, when the Phoenix came to town last year they got.... 20k? On field product, 3rd and final answer.
Whine about NZF and the marketing of the ASB league all you like. It's awful to watch (and run mickey mouse too if you can have a team of only 4 Kiwis) and much like the Black Caps, no one watches a shit product regardless where you play it or screen it.
Grumpy old bastard alert
So a guy from the knitting circle that says the phoenix single handedly destroy TW crowds, now wants to take the team around the country to do the same to all other ASBP crowds? Make your mind up.
NZF indifference to its own national league and the lack of any promotion/tv coverage has hurt ASBP crowds. The Nix playing a couple of games in Auckland is not going to sap the support from ACFC. We have a very loyal fan base, so does Canterbury United and Hawkes Bay United. The rest of the ASBP teams attract very few spectators so it wouldn't be an issue. The same is not true, unfortunately, for Team Wellington, who have largely seen their fan base biodegrade over the years. The Phoenix hogging all the limelight in Wellington has clearly played a part in that.
Get the Phoenix out of town a bit more often and all those so-called Wellington football fans who only turn up when the planets are aligned might just pop down to Dave Farrington Park. Just a thought.
God you talk bollocks. The onfield product is horrible. The one time we get a regular league game on TV, it was insipid crap football - certainly nothing to ATTRACT fans to go watch. By reflection, your team of imports play a lot better but if its only one team, how does this help to grow the league, as you stated a couple of pages back? The TW v Canty game was completely fucking awful and backs the point that if you want fans (both for Phoenix and ASB games) make the product worth watching, not find a new location to play it at.
To call ASBP football "insipid crap" is pretty insulting to all the players involved and shows a complete lack of perspective. You seem to be too bitter and twisted to appreciate what's in front of you. I bet you're fun.
Rather than Beckham why not spend that sort of money and bring Nelsen over for a season - it would certainly shore up your defence?
What a brilliant idea! Yeah - lets make 6 more of our home games 'home away' games.
Then .. the owners can have the fun of:
1. Paying more for the use of a different stadium (surely no discount for only 3 games .. right?)
2. Paying to fly all of the players up to AKL / down to CHCH.
3. Paying for accommodation/transport etc. etc.
4. *Possibly* not having as many sponsors (which city do you play in?).
5. Maybe not having as many WLG based season ticket holders (seriously - 6 games a year at 'home home').
6. Halving the income from those WLG season ticket holders (I don't want to pay for 6 games 'away home')
7. 3 Game season Tickets in AKL / CHCH ... Why bother?
8. Not actually having a home advantage for 50% of your 'home' games.
9. Watching the crowds dissipate after the first awful game in AKL or CHCH
10. The 'away home' crowds having no connection to a team from 'Wellington' when it gets tough
Increasing the season ticket membership is the only way that the
owners are going to consistently break even or, god forbid make a profit. Crowds are fickle and they always will
be. Unless you have a reason to support a team that trumps
anything else that's going on in your life, then guaranteeing punters will turn up to a game is
at best a marginal likelihood. It's even less likely if they're not a team from your city.
The question then remains - how do you increase your core fan base (e.g: Season ticket holders) ... you sure as sh*t don't do that by taking half of your home games and playing them somewhere else. That's a Circus ... and a Circus only turns up once a year.
If it is a traveling Circus you're after then you should think long
and hard about that.
AKL already f*(ked that up with the 'Oceania All Stars'
I guess the truth hurts huh true blue, Vader is right though, the few TW games I've seen have been bloody aweful in comparison to the worst A-league games. The facilities are average the tactics are dull, and the skill level is pretty poor. If the league was of better quality then the fans would come, sadly the shite we get fed each week in the ASBP is not worth paying for.
Queenslander 3x a year.
To further prove the theory, why did the Auckland based franchise get shit crowds for the HAL in the largest city in the country? Cause the on field product was crap. Yet your crowds stayed strong and consistent. Must have had a bastardising effect that HAL team.
And again to prove the theory, when the Phoenix came to town last year they got.... 20k? On field product, 3rd and final answer.
Whine about NZF and the marketing of the ASB league all you like. It's awful to watch (and run mickey mouse too if you can have a team of only 4 Kiwis) and much like the Black Caps, no one watches a shit product regardless where you play it or screen it.
more talk of getting in another player to replace Pavlovic
feel like we could use with someone a bit more proven than Boyd to come off the bench with a bit of xfactor. Also a chance for us to take a bit of a risk.. Knowing Ricki, the guy will have A-League experience.
So anyone pick out any half decent strikers in state league with a bit of histroy in the league?
I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer. Must be able to play back to goal
Normo's coming home
I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer. Must be able to play back to goal
I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer. Must be able to play back to goal
A chap at the Jests might be keen - hasn't been paid for a month it seems.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer. Must be able to play back to goal
I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer. Must be able to play back to goal
I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer. Must be able to play back to goal
Didn't meet our no cocks policy
I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer. Must be able to play back to goal
hang on. Weren't you complaining about the product we are selling on the field? If so, then how does a target man improve that?
I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer. Must be able to play back to goal
Didn't meet our no cocks policy
Didn't we kind of throw that out the window with our mascot?
Someone like Billy Mehmet wouldve been good, dont know why Ricki didnt like him when he trialled with us
Didn't meet our no cocks policy
Didn't we kind of throw that out the window with our mascot?
Sooo much this.
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