Was - Phoenix Transfer Speculation (Part 1)

What's the lowest income? Marco must be lovin' how much money is coming to him at such a young age. Surely he'd be worth AUS$150,000 a year now.

I think $50,000 is a youth contract league wide.

Edit. So yeah 150k is around about what I was thinking too but that's maximum.TopLeft072011-02-14 22:56:50

He was offered 50k? That has to be a joke.... Seriously if this is true Ricki needs to go as he has learned nothing from the Barbarouses saga. Rojas is our best player on the park at the moment (up there with an uninjured Ifill) and should command a high salary of 200k+ regardless of his age (His low age should be a factor to INCREASE the salary and keep him for longer as he isn't an old fart like Fowler).

Edit: Now that I think about it, probably the Victory trying to get back at us tbh :)
Therk2011-02-14 23:19:51

$200k in this league is the very high-end of non marquee wages...

Also, Ricki doesn't have much control of the purse strings

What was it Terry told us yesterday the Phoenix are here to stay.Going to be no bloody good staying though if we arnt going to offer some decent contracts.

So you would say that Rojas is not of youth marquee quality?

But Flappy is?

Great to know that Marco has so many agents. Guess he doesn't need his dad now!

Edit: My cut will be 4 season pass holders with the yellow nix landyard.


Junior822011-02-14 23:35:00

I don't think quality is the issue. If it frees up an extra $100,000 for another squad player then it's great to have a youth marquee. Tando is a young socceroo, so he ticks all the boxes regardless of his poor season.

I don't think a player who has only just made the first team and in all honesty has been a bit hit and miss - when's he's a hit he is superb though - justifies $200k.

No other club in this league is going to offer him $200k and we shouldn't bankrupt the club and miss out on the chance of players we need to pay it.

We'll offer a reasonable rate compared to what any other A-League side would offer, then it will be a comparison between loyalty to us (not inconsiderable for Marco) and what advantages other clubs can offer over us - ACL, Youth league.
Hard News2011-02-14 23:41:35

Better shopping...

Sorry but if the story is true and the first offer was $50,000 that is a bloody insult and we deserve to lose him. How much is Toto being paid?

No one knows. Just like no one knows the truth about Marco and his contract talks. It's all rumour and conjecture and it's disappointing how many people are taking it as gospel.

If i said I had a mate on the Gold Coast who said Smeltzy had signed for us for one million dollars a season no one would believe it so why believe this?

Because it came from his fathers own mouth. I dont think he was using it as a tool to get him a bigger contract just saying how insulting he thought the offer was.

In regards to Marco and NZ/Chile I don't see the need for debate. If he wants to play for NZ he will and likewise for Chile. It's not like he doesn't realise that playing for NZ now will mean he can't play for Chile later. And if he really doesn't want to play for NZ then he will reject any callups, it's not like he has to play for us if Ricki selects him.

I don't think it's case of being first to 'lock' him in.

Having your father as your agent. BUMMER!

So "A" means senior?  Got it, then.  Cheers.

I think you will find 50k is what he signed for two years ago when he was an unknown. He deserves a serious pay rise sure, but let's not break terry's bank. Heck his apprentice only got 100k.

Let's make it 150k. That would be a fair and just figure for a few games of class so far

Well I agree that he probably won't get a Chile call up, but it should be noted that just because he plays a friendly for NZ doesn't mean he can't then play for Chile later, so long as he is under 21 when he played the friendly for us. To 'lock him in' he would have to play a senior international match in a FIFA Competition (eg OFC Nations' Cup, World Cup etc including related qualifiers).

+1. Phoenix need to do the best they can fro the Phoenix, not Marco at any cost.

Is it just me, or do some of the numpties on here have completely unrealistic views on what a good salary in the A-League is?

The salary cap for a team in the A-League is about 2 million dollars, and that has to cover 20 players.

Our favourite Wikipedia quotes the average salary:

"The average annual salary for an A-league player excluding Marquee players is $AUD106,608 and the minimum salary is $AUD46,215"

So with a number of experienced players available to play in the A-League, a lot more experience than Marco can bring to the table, where the hell do you pull a $200K salary offer from?

I agree Marco has done some good things this season, since he's started, but let's be clear, he's still youth, he's only played a handful of games, and if it came down to it, I'd take an experienced striker over giving Marco $200K just so his Dad in Hamilton can stop having a whinge to some local club footballers.

Clarification time:
A-League clubs may have a Junior Marquee player who is under the age of 23. The Junior Marquee's wages can be subsidised with $AU 150,000 outside the salary cap.


So theoretically we should be offerring him 150k, at the least. We dont have any other youth players worthy of it, and this would mean we end up making more space in the cap.
Just depends on Switzerland I guess...

I must say, I'm disappointed in Roddy for shooting his mouth off to you and the Hamilton football scene in general. He knew that you would post it here and then the newspapers would pick it up - it's a kind of a back-handed way to put pressure on Terry. Not that Marco doesn't deserve a special contract at a fair wage (HN's comments seem fair), but this kind of negotiation-by-leaking is pretty grubby.

I'm sorry, but I really doubt that 50k was the offer.aitkenmike2011-02-15 09:18:05

I would add if it is true.
If so i agree with that.

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Im telling you he was offered the exact same terms as he was on before and that contract was rejected and another offer is on the table now from the nix. Maybe the club made such a small first offer due to the money problems and knowing they had plenty of time to make another offer in the future. Roddy is not about trying to get this in the newspaper, he was just telling it to a group of club members. Its not like it is the EPL where agents try this sort of sh*t and it is the first time Roddy has ever been a players agent. I thought i would just post it on here because fever members deserve to now what is happening.
Tommy_Smyth2011-02-15 10:33:36

Maybe we should change the title of this thread to "Rojas Transfer - speculation"

...or move it to Other A-League transfers

And one of that group of club members is telling it to the YF forum, where it will be picked up by the media and used in an anti-Terry or anti-Ricki beatup (SKINFLINT GREEK ON BRINK OF LOSING WONDERCHILD), thus shaming the Nix into paying up more. Either Roddy knew that you or someone else would go blabbing, in which case this is a grubby attempt to twist Terry's arm; or he didn't, and he's naive, and you're not helping.

To put it another way, if you'd said "this is what I heard, from a trusted source which I can't name", then we might not have believed you but it might not have looked so dodgy.Doloras2011-02-15 10:43:33

I agree with Graham Arnold's sentiments on all this talk of Rojas getting shafted...

Obviously you dont know Roddy at all mate so i think you should keep your thoughts to yourself before misjudging his character. As for the marco issue, i wont be posting any more news due to the reaction.

Wise move. I think you'll find some YF members often find themselves in the know but they surpress what they know in order to avoid this sort of reaction, protect the player/club and avoid a media blow out. This won't have done Marco, his Father or they club any good. The fans can wait.

...and explode in angst when it goes wrong.

Angst now or later, it's gonna happen regardless.

There seems to be a supposition that Murphy's law applies to Nix management: "If there is a way to balls it up and wreck the club's future, Terry/Ricki/Nathan will do it." Or, we could think positive.

theprof2011-02-15 11:44:55

Let's not read things in to statements when we don't know the facts.  Rodi is a good man and knows what Marco means to the Fever, as does Marco.  Let's not slander him on conjecture.

some people seem quite contect to slander/hang Ricki,Terry and Nathan on far less.

Honestly if Marco goes elsewhere i dont really think id be too gutted. Sure i love watching the kid in a stripy, but as long as hes excelling i wouldnt really mind. Another kiwi out into the big wide world of football is never a bad thing.

(as long as he doesnt do a Kosta on the Nix each time they meet)